Disturbing article about Singapore
-
it might be for NKF but not most of the rest....Originally posted by Cindyfeh:"we are not what it depicts?" I think the current situation is what it depicts. So cannot sue Carl.
thinking the current situation and penning it down is not sufficient.... remembered how people gets sued for relaying a rumour????
dun just read the article as it is... think of the big picture... -
I think most who responded above show some support or is neutral towards the article. The only one who oppose the article is hmsgOriginally posted by dragg:i am getting all confused.
who supports the article and who doesnt? -
sbst275 and maggot dont seem to agree too.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:I think most who responded above show some support or is neutral towards the article. The only one who oppose the article is hmsg -
I agree with the big picture it depicts, with the exception of the 130-140 billions owned by Lee family (but this is a minor point).Originally posted by hmsg:it might be for NKF but not most of the rest....
thinking the current situation and penning it down is not sufficient.... remembered how people gets sued for relaying a rumour????
dun just read the article as it is... think of the big picture...
Just ask anyone on the street if he believes the gov is mercenery and that there is legitimised corruption. -
Originally posted by About A GaL:
This the best 40th birthday present for Singapore Inc.
I just wander how many more "good years" left. -
maggot just quoted something neutral. as for sbst, perhaps he needs to be clearer on his stand. But anyway, don't be too overly influnced by others. Just state your stand willl do.Originally posted by dragg:sbst275 and maggot dont seem to agree too. -
Aiyo...
Below are my views
We don't disclose our reserves why?
Some crazy billionaires will throw away a few billions just to make some countries to their knees...devalue the countries' currency
Openly disclosed our currency basket IS IDIOTIC...
DO YOU WANT SING DOLLAR TO BECOME WORTHLESS?
-
agreed with cindy... state your stand... worse is to be influence by others that might lead to indeciveness....
i think any article needs to be fully factual... ie. no loop holes or at least qualify or make explicit assumptions...
anyway it was a great talk with cindy... appreciate your views. -
it is not so easy to attack our currency. we have a lot of reserves to support.Originally posted by maggot:Aiyo...
Below are my views
We don't disclose our reserves why?
Some crazy billionaires will throw away a few billions just to make some countries to their knees...devalue the countries' currency
Openly disclosed our currency basket IS IDIOTIC...
DO YOU WANT SING DOLLAR TO BECOME WORTHLESS?
and brunei is pegged to us. they will support too. -
IMO, good years ended in 2000 and will never return to Singapore, ever.Originally posted by Gun:
This the best 40th birthday present for Singapore Inc.
I just wander how many more "good years" left. -
As for this article,
what the West want to make of us, I can't be bothered... Anyway, are they really that democratic? -
Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
" 130-140 BILLIONS owned by Lee family (but this is a minor point) . "
I agree with the big picture it depicts, with the exception of the 130-140 billions owned by Lee family (but this is a minor point).
Just ask anyone on the street if he believes the gov is mercenery and that there is legitimised corruption.
You seem to have a peculiar sense of valuation if you think that the figure of 130-140 BILLIONS is a MINOR POINT ?Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
With a distorted sense of values, can we trust your assumption of the position that either myself or 'billy' will take in response to the question posed ?
"Do you want to have a Singapore with No Singaporeans ? "
I think some forumites like Atobe and billy do not want that to happen, but it seems to be happening with the flooding of Indians, bangladashies and mainlanders and the migration of Singaporeans.
So, God bless Singapore (or whatever that's left of her). -
Wrong. It should be 1997.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:IMO, good years ended in 2000 and will never return to Singapore, ever.
-
I suspect the author's figures of 130-140 billions. I believed its much less, perhaps 1 or 2 billions? Whether 1 or 2 billion / 130 -140 billions, it is still a lot of money and it doesn't change the overall direction (big picture) of the essay.Originally posted by Atobe:" 130-140 BILLIONS owned by Lee family (but this is a minor point) . "
Of course if the essay is about how much the Lee family owned, the diff between 1 billion and 130 billion is not a minor point.
You don't have to trust my assumption, neither do others. Its just freedom of speech and since you like it precise, it is also freedom to trust on the internet. -
Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
Who knows what is the net worth of the Lee's put together ?
I suspect the author's figures of 130-140 billions. I believed its much less, perhaps 1 or 2 billions? Whether 1 or 2 billion / 130 -140 billions, it is still a lot of money and it doesn't change the overall direction (big picture) of the essay.
Of course if the essay is about how much the Lee family owned, the diff between 1 billion and 130 billion is not a minor point.
The law firm itself should be worth something, considering its work in Singaore, and impact of Singapore's development on its own fortunes.
With the placement of members of the 'First and its Extended Family' into every upper echelon of Government and Government Linked Companies, it does give a semblance of reality to Singapore Inc being 'a family runned enterprise' - and the figure certainly look plausible (doesn't it ? ) .Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
So you believe in 'freedom of speech' and the 'freedom to trust on the internet' ?
You don't have to trust my assumption, neither do others. Its just freedom of speech and since you like it precise, it is also freedom to trust on the internet.
What about your condescending position towards those who do not believe in your preference to 'RUN AWAY', but prefer to face the situation with patience and subtlety ? -
-
OMFG !!!...talk about opening a CAN OF WORMS !!!
This NKF saga is just the 1st round worm that begins to emerge from the depth of its host . Singapore needs to get rid of those cancerous pest... FAST !!Originally posted by Texcoco: -
I didn't point a gun at your head forcing you to migrate. You like to discuss till kingdom comes, thats your choice.Originally posted by Atobe:So you believe in 'freedom of speech' and the 'freedom to trust on the internet' ?
What about your condescending position towards those who do not believe in your preference to 'RUN AWAY', but prefer to face the situation with patience and subtlety ? -
Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
No, you certainly ' didn't point a gun' at my head forcing me to migrate.
I didn't point a gun at your head forcing you to migrate. You like to discuss till kingdom comes, thats your choice.
However, you seem to be forcing your preference of migration on every thread 'till kingdom come' .
Similarly, it is rather odd to read of your belief in the 'freedom of speech' and 'freedom of trust in the internet' - when you prefer to 'ridicule' and question the 'passiveness' that is preferred by others.
Where is your 'freedom to trust in the internet' - that all this seeming moanings and complains by others, are merely all 'acting' - which may or not be followed by more serious actions out of this forum pages ?
'Freedom of Speech' and 'Freedom to trust in the internet' ?
Can we believe you ? -
I didn't claim discussion/moanings/complains by others on the net as "acting".Originally posted by Atobe:No, you certainly ' didn't point a gun' at my head forcing me to migrate.
However, you seem to be forcing your preference of migration on every thread 'till kingdom come' .
Similarly, it is rather odd to read of your belief in the 'freedom of speech' and 'freedom of trust in the internet' - when you prefer to 'ridicule' and question the 'passiveness' that is preferred by others.
Where is your 'freedom to trust in the internet' - that all this seeming moanings and complains by others, are merely all 'acting' - which may or not be followed by more serious actions out of this forum pages ?
'Freedom of Speech' and 'Freedom to trust in the internet' ?
Can we believe you ?
Can you believe me? Again. I didn't ask you to. -
Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
No, you did not do make such claims, as you did not have the capacity to, nor have the 'freedom to trust [others] in the internet'.
I didn't claim discussion/moanings/complains by others on the net as "acting".
Why don't you begin to trust that all these 'complainings and moaning' could just be 'acting', and does not necessarily be the passiveness that seems to irk your feelings ?
In so doing, if such passiveness from others can irk you so much, how can you propagate your belief in 'Freedom of Speech' and 'Freedom to Trust in the Internet' ?:
No, you did not; but - again - you certainly wanted some one [any one] to do so, at least believe that you have made the right decision to migrate (No ? )
Can you believe me? Again. I didn't ask you to. -
there's just not enough power to flush out and punish this group of upper class thieves and cheaters and i hope the gahment will form a commitee to investigate and audit charity organizations. corruption is a crime and more so in every Singaporeans' eyes. offenders should be punished no matter if he is a public figure, devil's evocate, speaker of the lord or manager of a firm!
these ppl are taking things for granted, taking money not meant for them but the for the needy patients...now i know why cancer and kidney dieseases cannot be cured. it is not due to the shortage or talented research personnel but a misuse of funds and donations.
-
The things are true.Either you are blind to reality or you have a stake in keeping such things as quiet as possible, maybe your children's expensive shopping list is at stake hmm?Originally posted by hmsg:i just hope he gets sued.... the way he wrote seems as though he is a crusader.... and a saint.....
does he comprehend the challenges in governing a country or even a big company? it is easy to talk and not be pro-active... not to mention he is not a citizen but a local from Ohio state....
So what if he's from Ohio state?I can study up on American Studies and immerse myself there for years and become as knowledgeable as another fellow who lives in Vermont? -
i think u r the blinded one... since when does the Lee family > 100 Billion???Originally posted by LazerLordz:The things are true.Either you are blind to reality or you have a stake in keeping such things as quiet as possible, maybe your children's expensive shopping list is at stake hmm?
So what if he's from Ohio state?I can study up on American Studies and immerse myself there for years and become as knowledgeable as another fellow who lives in Vermont? -
err.. what is the relevance of your writings??? like i said... ur writings are also out of context...Originally posted by LazerLordz:The things are true.Either you are blind to reality or you have a stake in keeping such things as quiet as possible, maybe your children's expensive shopping list is at stake hmm?
So what if he's from Ohio state?I can study up on American Studies and immerse myself there for years and become as knowledgeable as another fellow who lives in Vermont?