3 'PM' in the Govt
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PM Lee said the govt was busy. There are two former PMs (LKY & GCT)in the govt.If both of them can take 25% of the wrouload of the PM,the PM would be left with half of the workload.Then the PM wouldn't be busy.PM,would it be possible?
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HUH 
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Ndsef,
What is the meaning of your msg Speak up,the govt won't arrest u! -
GCT takes over the job of former SM Lee.I think LKY still does the job of SM.2 persons share the same job of SM?
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How about the number of Ministers without Portfolio? Any comment on that?
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If S'pore so small need 3 PMs, then why there's only one US President, who's in charge of a country 100x more in population and 1000x more in size?
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USA has well-developed system of local government. The state governors and municpal councils have wide ranging power. The President delegates much authority to them.Originally posted by timothytsgsg:If S'pore so small need 3 PMs, then why there's only one US President, who's in charge of a country 100x more in population and 1000x more in size? -
When you have 3 holes on the bottom of the pail, what will happen?
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Those 3 PM still want to contribute to the buiding of Singapore to be more prosperous
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Precisely. And since we are a small country, we also don't need 1 mentor and 1 senior 'advising' the PM as well. It's too expensive maintaining their wage bills anyway- we pay too much indirect government tax as it is.Originally posted by iveco:USA has well-developed system of local government. The state governors and municpal councils have wide ranging power. The President delegates much authority to them. -
singapore trinity:
father, son and the sm goh?
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Ya,i agree........They are too expensive to maintain.Moreover,they are already old n senile,cannot "upgrade" themselves n accept modern democracy anymore.That is why by keeping them also useless to this country,in other word,they are tow useless bum in the parliament.Originally posted by timothytsgsg:Precisely. And since we are a small country, we also don't need 1 mentor and 1 senior 'advising' the PM as well. It's too expensive maintaining their wage bills anyway- we pay too much indirect government tax as it is. -
Nah,Ndsef wont dare to speak up,most probably he is also a government official who get sent here to spy us.As u all know,we are no better than a communist country.F**K PAP!!!Originally posted by PRP:Ndsef,
What is the meaning of your msg Speak up,the govt won't arrest u! -
Talking about Goh Chok Tong,do u all know that he is actually arrogant n quite stupid?At first,i thought he is acting stupid n pro Lees becoz of Lou Lee's pressure.But after years of observation,i find that he is really not a smart n having strong willpower person.
Let me quote an example,when he is going to hand over his PM post.He declare setting higher the minimum CPF withdrawal sum n the age that Singaporean can take out their CPF.That means younger generation cannot take out CPF money in a lumpsum anymore.If he is smart,this kind of unwelcome policy is to be declared by young Lee so that ppl dont like young Lee n tend to compare how good Goh is than young Lee.
But no,Lou Goh bring this blame all to himselves.This shows that after all these years,he has been "brainwashed" by Lou Lee already.Perhaps when Goh Chok Tong just succeeded PM post,he does try to make Singapore a more democratic country as he also dont like some of Lou Lee dictatorial doings.Perhaps after all these years,he also know that one party rules is going to be harmful to the whole nation.But yet,he totally get influence by Lou Lee ideas.This show that he has "weak willpower" n lack of determination.He is a person who lack of principle.Oh well,so much so for this Lou Goh "glorious 14 years". -
I thot readers dare not to speak up on this topic.Now some of u all speaks up
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Ministers without porforlio (or in PMO) are ministers work in NTUC.NTUC which is 'symbiosis' with PAP needs ministers!!!
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There is a "Primary Cabinet" WITHIN the the Cabinet that forms the Government - like a TWO TIER Government.
For a small country like Singapore, are we having too many Ministers, and paying everyone almost a MILLION DOLLARS a Year ?
The Cabinet comprises the following members with effect from 1st July 2005:
Prime Minister and
Minister for Finance
Mr LEE Hsien Loong
Senior Minister, Prime Minister's Office
Mr GOH Chok Tong
Minister Mentor, Prime Minister's Office
Mr LEE Kuan Yew
Deputy Prime Minister and
Co-ordinating Minister for Security and Defence,
Prime Minister's Office
Dr Tony TAN Keng Yam
Deputy Prime Minister and
Minister for Law
Prof S. JAYAKUMAR
Minister for Home Affairs
Mr WONG Kan Seng
Minister for Transport
Mr YEO Cheow Tong
Minister for Foreign Affairs
Mr George Yong-Boon YEO
Minister for Information, Communications and the Arts
Dr LEE Boon Yang
Minister for National Development
Mr MAH Bow Tan
Minister, Prime Minister's Office
Mr LIM Boon Heng
Minister for Trade and Industry
Mr LIM Hng Kiang
Minister for Defence
Mr TEO Chee Hean
Minister, Prime Minister's Office, and
Second Minister for National Development
Mr LIM Swee Say
Minister for the Environment and Water Resources, and
Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs
Dr YAACOB Ibrahim
Minister for Health
Mr KHAW Boon Wan
Minister for Education
Mr Tharman SHANMUGARATNAM
Minister for Manpower and
Second Minister for Defence
Dr NG Eng Hen
Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports, and Second Minister for Trade and Industry
Dr Vivian BALAKRISHNAN
Minister, Prime Minister's Office,
Second Minister for Finance, and
Second Minister for Foreign Affairs
Mr Raymond LIM Siang Keat
From the above, it is shown that the Singapore Cabinet comprises the following:
One PM
One each SM and MM
Two DPM - holding Ministerial Portfolios
Sixteen Ministers - some holding two or more portfolios
From the list of sixteen ministers, the PM's office will have two without portfolios, what about the other four that are not listed ?
When LHL was named to be the new PM, and prior to GCT stepping down, six ministers were "retired" and kept as Ministers Without Portfolio in the PM's Office. One named as a Minister without Portfolio - Mr Lee Yock Suan, but is not listed above. What about the other missing three ?
Can one imagine the Admistrative Bill that is paid for Salary alone, and not counting all the other expenses for the Minister's perks - (leaving out the expenses for the Ministry itself ) ?
The Cabinet
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you all think too much.....
LKY and GCT already how old? can still take how much pay...nevermind lah...
and LHL supposed to be PM so have to do PM work, not the other two. LKY and GCT only help out.
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Originally posted by nightzip:
Not only LKY and GCT helping out LHL, but also two (listed) Ministers without Portfolio in the Prime Minister's Office, and also a retinue of Permanent Secretaries, Principal Private Sectretaries, Private Secretary 1 and 2, for the PM, SM and MM.
you all think too much.....
LKY and GCT already how old? can still take how much pay...nevermind lah...
and LHL supposed to be PM so have to do PM work, not the other two. LKY and GCT only help out.
What about the other Ministries - some having First and Second Minister, Senior and Minister of State, Senior Permanent Secretary, and Perm Sec 1 and Perm Sec 2, Principal Private Secretaries, Private Secretaries, Clerks, etc... ?
Is the budget for salaries alone enough to feed all the One-Room dwellers in Singapore ?
Or at least pay for all their utiliy bills, children's pocket allowance, school books, bus fares, and 3 meals a day ?
The Prime Minister's Office - Staff
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What about the other Ministries - some having First and Second Minister, Senior and Minister of State, Senior Permanent Secretary, and Perm Sec 1 and Perm Sec 2, Principal Private Secretaries, Private Secretaries, Clerks, etc... ?
of course the ministries need deputy minister also mah, and also some secretaries, you thought the whole big ministry only ONE minister do all the work?
then he can tiao lou liao...so busy, think also he think, execute also he execute, plan also he plan, type also he type, blah blah....like work 24/7? -
Originally posted by nightzip:
Is it NOT better that each one of them "tiao lou liao" - if they cannot do the job, then for the Singaporean Tax Money to be used to pay for so many people to help the Minister to do a better job to CONTROL us ?
of course the ministries need deputy minister also mah, and also some secretaries, you thought the whole big ministry only ONE minister do all the work?
then he can tiao lou liao...so busy, think also he think, execute also he execute, plan also he plan, type also he type, blah blah....like work 24/7?
Do we need two secretaries to support a PRINCIPAL Secretary ?
Do we need one or two Permanent Secretaries, when there is also a Second Minister and a Minister of State in one Ministry ?
With the Ministers already paid MILLION DOLLAR annual wages, what will be the wages of the administrative staff that support the Cabinet Ministers ?
How often have we seen successful corporations being overbloated with staff, as they create more work for themselves ?
No wonder we have incidences like the NKF, where 'monkey see, monkey do'. -
Seriously, I wonder if the Singapore bureaucracy is getting bloated.
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Its not getting bloated, bro. It is already bloated.Originally posted by iveco:Seriously, I wonder if the Singapore bureaucracy is getting bloated. -
A Prime Minister has few works to do?
When LHL became PM,he still keep the portfolio of Finance Ministry.Is is to say there are few duties for primiership so that he call still hold on to MOF?
Why wouldn't he pass that job to SM Goh?If fact, GCT is very good in economics.What does SM Goh do?does he continue the job of PM?