How can the "opposition party" make Singapore Better....
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Yep, that is the question... that I hope forum members here can answer...
I am waiting...
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try getting Durain to spit out his peanuts.
If such a small thing also cannot do then why even bored to call yourself a opposition party?
Better call yourself " cannot make it party"
sounds better -
Originally posted by drx:try getting Durain to spit out his peanuts.
If such a small thing also cannot do then why even bored to call yourself a opposition party?
Better call yourself " cannot make it party"
sounds better
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Did you try to get the book written by SDP CSJ -
"Your Future, My Faith, OUR FREEDOM" ?
If you have not made any attempt to obtain this book - and read through it with an open mind before discrediting its contents - then it will be another useless thread that you have started.
Are you serious in wanting to know the solutions that can make Singapore better, or is this simply to instigate another round of debate that merely arouse accusations of useless talk only ? -
Well, sorry, I have not read that book and I do wish to obtain this book ( let me know where I can get it). But I will sure love to hear from you the excerpts of his book first. I have an open mind and to set the records straight, I am sitting on the fence with regard to the political scene of Singapore.Originally posted by Atobe:Did you try to get the book written by SDP CSJ -
"Your Future, My Faith, OUR FREEDOM" ?
If you have not made any attempt to obtain this book - and read through it with an open mind before discrediting its contents - then it will be another useless thread that you have started.
Are you serious in wanting to know the solutions that can make Singapore better, or is this simply to instigate another round of debate that merely arouse accusations of useless talk only ?
The reason for this thread is to hear from forumites like yourself ways that the opposition party can make Singapore better. No intention of making this another round of useless talk. I sincerely like to hear from supporters of the opposition party how things can be made better.
If my intentions are mis-read there is nothing I can do.
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all we need is more options
PAP is not the ruling party
it is the only political party -
Right now, decision making in Parliament is undemocratic. Take for instance, the issue of the casino. The Cabinet is making many decisions without submitting them to parliamentary voting where the PAP Whip is lifted. Neither do they use a public referendum to decide issues like the casino. If there is a strong opposition in Parliament, then perhaps the decisions being made would be more reflective of the majority of the public's sentiments.
Because of the PAP's Whip, the MPs are not voting based on the public's interests, but based on their political party's interests which might not be aligned with the public majority. -
by joining the PAP?Originally posted by ndsef:Yep, that is the question... that I hope forum members here can answer...
I am waiting... -
Originally posted by ndsef:
You could try to obtain this book from any bookstores, or if no bookstore dare to sell this book - even under the counter; then perhaps you could get a copy directly from SDP and have it autographed by CSJ.
Well, sorry, I have not read that book and I do wish to obtain this book ( let me know where I can get it). But I will sure love to hear from you the excerpts of his book first. I have an open mind and to set the records straight, I am sitting on the fence with regard to the political scene of Singapore.
The reason for this thread is to hear from forumites like yourself ways that the opposition party can make Singapore better. No intention of making this another round of useless talk. I sincerely like to hear from supporters of the opposition party how things can be made better.
If my intentions are mis-read there is nothing I can do.
The SDP will probably sell you at a price without the profit margin of the store, or probably let you decide what price you wish to pay to the SDP fund
The book is a well written book that looked into the problems that Singapore is facing, and how these problems have arisen due to the number of policies that the Ruling Party was able to implement with total liberty.
It also offer solutions, and is a balance book that is not paranoic in lambasting the Ruling Party.
It is unfortunate that the author had shown maturity and depth in his writing, but could not portray the same in his public image when attempting to deliver his message that is so well documented in his book.
Perhap his youthful exuberance, impatience to 'move the world', and the frustrations in being misunderstood for his take-over of the leadership post of the SDP, have all contributed to a poor public image.
It may do him well to learn from George Bush, in engaging a Public Relations specialist to brush up his image, and tutor him in the fine art of public relations.
The Opposition Parties should make their presence felt in Singapore, to EDUCATE ALL SINGAPOREANS of their POLITICAL RIGHTS.
The Ruling Party has dominated the limelight of POLITICS and POLITICAL LIFE in Singapore, and have made POLITICS EXCLUSIVELY FOR POLITICIANS only.
Is POLITICS only for POLITICIANS ?
What is POLITICS ?
Is POLITICS not the LIFEBLOOD of what NATIONALISM is all about ?
The Ruling Party has tried to defused Singaporean's interests in Politics by creating communal responsibilities that bring politics that involve only communal interest, which hopefully will tie down the attention of Singaporeans.
In the process, the Ruling Party hope to depoliticize the sensitivity and interests of Singaporeans on larger National Issues.
Unfortunately, this job of creating awareness has been left entirely to the SDP, as the other Opposition Parties are too afraid to rub the Ruling Party on the wrong side. -
Then I shall give you some options:Originally posted by boy in blues:all we need is more options
PAP is not the ruling party
it is the only political party
You can choose:
1. Suharto's party;
2. Estrada's party;
3. Arroyo's party;
4. Saddame Hussein's party;
5. Osama's militia pressence...
Is option what you merely want?
The opposition must upgrade themselves politically if they cannot get better people than already present.
Else what... ... Get Lopez to be Singapore citizen and stand for SDP...? While... at least Lopez is loaded and won't bother to stay after a failed attempt... At most she'd receive questionings as Andrew got but... she's trained for it, and she'd be all hot for more stories and more attention to her... Hehehehehehe...
Kidding. -
The "option" that u gave are all dictatorial party just like Singapore PAP now,may i know what is the use of those options u have given?Originally posted by Elfred:Then I shall give you some options:
You can choose:
1. Suharto's party;
2. Estrada's party;
3. Arroyo's party;
4. Saddame Hussein's party;
5. Osama's militia pressence...
Is option what you merely want?
The opposition must upgrade themselves politically if they cannot get better people than already present.
Else what... ... Get Lopez to be Singapore citizen and stand for SDP...? While... at least Lopez is loaded and won't bother to stay after a failed attempt... At most she'd receive questionings as Andrew got but... she's trained for it, and she'd be all hot for more stories and more attention to her... Hehehehehehe...
Kidding. -
I agree,PAP should be only a political party........it can be a ruling party,but it cannot be "the only ruling party".Otherwise,many problems will arise just like in a dictatorial ruling environment,like Saddam Hussien in Iraq,Suharto in Indonesia.Originally posted by boy in blues:all we need is more options
PAP is not the ruling party
it is the only political party -
"How can the "opposition party" make Singapore Better...."Originally posted by ndsef:Yep, that is the question... that I hope forum members here can answer...
I am waiting...
It can't, because it does not exist
Right now, we have Workers' Party and SDP appearing to be the parties that can closest address the question you have
That is, until someone forms the Singapore Opposition Party (SOP) AND gets it approved by Registrar of Societies
Regards -
As they say, man is falliable, and absolute power can corrupt.That's what checks and balances are for, to safeguard the nation against any rogue government.But the institutions which are supposed to make up these safeguards have not been given the opportunity to grow and mature because the incumbent fears them being an obstacle to "efficient" implementation of policies, which ironically could have been better implemented or planned with the free and fair input of the citizenry, however they might have turned out.Originally posted by drawer:I agree,PAP should be only a political party........it can be a ruling party,but it cannot be "the only ruling party".Otherwise,many problems will arise just like in a dictatorial ruling environment,like Saddam Hussien in Iraq,Suharto in Indonesia.
The main problem here is the incumbent feels that they are the only monopoly of ideas in SG.And they have made it into a self-fulfilling prophecy by having talent-grabbing and hoarding policies designed to further enhance their own brand of "success".
And we all know that no prophecy is secure. -
what a tough choice
but i'll probably choose option number 6
Clinton's partyOriginally posted by Elfred:Then I shall give you some options:
You can choose:
1. Suharto's party;
2. Estrada's party;
3. Arroyo's party;
4. Saddame Hussein's party;
5. Osama's militia pressence...
6. Clinton's party
Is option what you merely want?
The opposition must upgrade themselves politically if they cannot get better people than already present.
Else what... ... Get Lopez to be Singapore citizen and stand for SDP...? While... at least Lopez is loaded and won't bother to stay after a failed attempt... At most she'd receive questionings as Andrew got but... she's trained for it, and she'd be all hot for more stories and more attention to her... Hehehehehehe...
Kidding. -
How would you know they would be dictatorial party before choosing them?Originally posted by drawer:The "option" that u gave are all dictatorial party just like Singapore PAP now,may i know what is the use of those options u have given?
How about these choices:
1. Susu Hantu's Party;
2. X-Gen Tatar's Party;
3. Mat YoYo's Party;
4. Sardine Hugan's Party;
5. O'Sama no Kodomo Kidney Foundation;
How?
No Use of the options given, but it's all for your choices. There six choices here, including a PAP party. Not enough choices? Here a more:
6. Hit-er's Facial Party;
7. Moose Sorrily's Party;
8. Meow Chando's Party;
9. Tai Tai's KMT Party;
10 parties for you people to choose... -
Nothing tough if all you guys and gals want is Options to Choose From.Originally posted by boy in blues:what a tough choice
but i'll probably choose option number 6
Clinton's party
You can have such party, if you migrate.
Now... Nothing comes free folks. It's either you which will produce a good party or you leave it to luck. Now if the people ain't generally ready for politics, chances are the leaders which are coming from the people won't be, and the people won't be able to choose properly without thinking properly.
Now one or two people proficient enough won't make the difference in making the choice or as leaders.
Blame not only PAP, what about you people? Blameless?
Without the foresight of history, which is totally no foresight at all, are the people so blind towards politics? Not only so, your Clinton's party may end up another such party you loathe. Ain't PAP one of the most popular party in the 70s? MM Lee enjoyed such audiences that few can understand why back then.
So where is the problem? The choices? The Clinton's party? Or what... ... -
All of the options listed are corrupt organisations. No way I'd throw in my lot with them.Originally posted by Elfred:Then I shall give you some options:
You can choose:
1. Suharto's party;
2. Estrada's party;
3. Arroyo's party;
4. Saddame Hussein's party;
5. Osama's militia pressence...
Is option what you merely want?
The opposition must upgrade themselves politically if they cannot get better people than already present.
Else what... ... Get Lopez to be Singapore citizen and stand for SDP...? While... at least Lopez is loaded and won't bother to stay after a failed attempt... At most she'd receive questionings as Andrew got but... she's trained for it, and she'd be all hot for more stories and more attention to her... Hehehehehehe...
Kidding. -
You are cheating by looking into the Crystal Ball...Originally posted by iveco:All of the options listed are corrupt organisations. No way I'd throw in my lot with them.
Why don't you believe that if you choose from such wide range of great parties, they might end up better... ...? Why don't people get optimistic for a start?
You've got your choices, anyway. Still not happy? -
Thanks Atobe, probably the book will offer some answers to my question here. Let me lay my hands on a copy and I will try to read it asap, and summarize whatever CSJ has to written here. If I am allowed to do that without getting into trouble with the ISD.Originally posted by Atobe:You could try to obtain this book from any bookstores, or if no bookstore dare to sell this book - even under the counter; then perhaps you could get a copy directly from SDP and have it autographed by CSJ.
The SDP will probably sell you at a price without the profit margin of the store, or probably let you decide what price you wish to pay to the SDP fund
The book is a well written book that looked into the problems that Singapore is facing, and how these problems have arisen due to the number of policies that the Ruling Party was able to implement with total liberty.
It also offer solutions, and is a balance book that is not paranoic in lambasting the Ruling Party.
It is unfortunate that the author had shown maturity and depth in his writing, but could not portray the same in his public image when attempting to deliver his message that is so well documented in his book.
Perhap his youthful exuberance, impatience to 'move the world', and the frustrations in being misunderstood for his take-over of the leadership post of the SDP, have all contributed to a poor public image.
It may do him well to learn from George Bush, in engaging a Public Relations specialist to brush up his image, and tutor him in the fine art of public relations.
The Opposition Parties should make their presence felt in Singapore, to EDUCATE ALL SINGAPOREANS of their POLITICAL RIGHTS.
The Ruling Party has dominated the limelight of POLITICS and POLITICAL LIFE in Singapore, and have made POLITICS EXCLUSIVELY FOR POLITICIANS only.
Is POLITICS only for POLITICIANS ?
What is POLITICS ?
Is POLITICS not the LIFEBLOOD of what NATIONALISM is all about ?
The Ruling Party has tried to defused Singaporean's interests in Politics by creating communal responsibilities that bring politics that involve only communal interest, which hopefully will tie down the attention of Singaporeans.
In the process, the Ruling Party hope to depoliticize the sensitivity and interests of Singaporeans on larger National Issues.
Unfortunately, this job of creating awareness has been left entirely to the SDP, as the other Opposition Parties are too afraid to rub the Ruling Party on the wrong side. -
instead of migrating,Originally posted by Elfred:Nothing tough if all you guys and gals want is Options to Choose From.
You can have such party, if you migrate.
Now... Nothing comes free folks. It's either you which will produce a good party or you leave it to luck. Now if the people ain't generally ready for politics, chances are the leaders which are coming from the people won't be, and the people won't be able to choose properly without thinking properly.
Now one or two people proficient enough won't make the difference in making the choice or as leaders.
Blame not only PAP, what about you people? Blameless?
Without the foresight of history, which is totally no foresight at all, are the people so blind towards politics? Not only so, your Clinton's party may end up another such party you loathe. Ain't PAP one of the most popular party in the 70s? MM Lee enjoyed such audiences that few can understand why back then.
So where is the problem? The choices? The Clinton's party? Or what... ...
i'd prefer to phone order a Clinton party delivered to my home
don't worry,
my Clinton party won't turn rotten because i have another PAP on stand-by,
giving it a run for its money -
opposition makes the whole show complete....now is all YANG, no Ying...Originally posted by ndsef:Yep, that is the question... that I hope forum members here can answer...
I am waiting... -
it's not that he could not portray a good image in public, but the media distort his image to a certain extent, i believe. so i dun trust the media at all.Originally posted by Atobe:It is unfortunate that the author had shown maturity and depth in his writing, but could not portray the same in his public image when attempting to deliver his message that is so well documented in his book.
Perhap his youthful exuberance, impatience to 'move the world', and the frustrations in being misunderstood for his take-over of the leadership post of the SDP, have all contributed to a poor public image.
look at Andrew kuan...there is so much character assaniation n negativity in the media abt him. -
Ever wondered why no PSC / Civil Service scholar has ever studied Journalism at Berkeley?Originally posted by HarryPussy:it's not that he could not portray a good image in public, but the media distort his image to a certain extent, i believe. so i dun trust the media at all.
look at Andrew kuan...there is so much character assaniation n negativity in the media abt him. -
Originally posted by HarryPussy:
You are right, the media was used to make the 'rough diamond' to look like charcoal.
it's not that he could not portray a good image in public, but the media distort his image to a certain extent, i believe. so i dun trust the media at all.
look at Andrew kuan...there is so much character assaniation n negativity in the media abt him.
A gullible population - with the stomach filled and minds dulled - can easily be molded to worship the Religion of Meritocracy; but with the minds dulled, the lay people cannot see the 'Double Standard' values of the Ruling Elite that are the preachers of this New Religion.