Elections and you.
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Other than those of the incumbent and the oppositions who have been in the playground for ages, there have been a force that has been absent from this political landscape which usually springs to life after many many rounds of battles of the two camps.
Borned from the dust, this new camp of political force is evolved from the spare capacity of the arena: The neutrals.
Thousands of years have passed in human civilisations. Yet, while there are many neutrals, there are few such forces which are neutral in real. It is usually incumbent and opposition, incumbent and rebels, and it is usually blind fighting.
In election-base states, Neutrons are still very new ideas. But Neutrons are also the most democratic or autocratic components of a state. Neutrons based their characters all due to themselves, and their political nature all due to themselves. They represent not the 15% top not the the opposition, but arisen from the very essence of the general public.
Neutrons stand in between, free from attachment to either the incumbent and the oppositions, and free from party politics but politics where such interest is based on the wisdom of the general. A Neutronic government is simply one which have an incumbent but with a significant portion of neutrons in the parliament. When the entire government is party-free, it becomes totally Neutronic government.
I hereby am scheduled to release a little piece of ad online.
The elections following the coming one could be a good one for a Neutronic political presence. The only true party is the cooperation among non-party elements, which may only be represented by One singular organisation if needs be.
Singaporeans should try to wake up to the evolution of a Neutronic political era, first brought to you by Elfred from Singapore in the year 2005.
Get yourselves organised into Neutronic teams, share your wisdom among neutrons and stand for elections as Neutronic teams.
Forget about democrates or republicans or what autocrates or oppositions, be neutral and evolve yourselves into neutronic political elements.
Consider. -
really dont know what you are talking about. a discussion on atomic structure perhaps?
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gong simi lan jiao
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Are you teaching us some science?
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Hehehe... This is for those politically aware or interested to consider.
Look at it in a simpler manner, it's just hoping there will be more neutral elements who'd become Neutrons by standing for elections as Neutral parties.
Look at another manner, some may decide to develope the concept about Neutronic politics, instead of merely democracy and all those stuff.
Of course... Nobody is obliged to be the pioneer thinkers in this field. Anyone needs any help, you may approach me.
The only party for Neutrons are people who ain't oppositions nor incumbents other than Neutrons. There'd be still conflict of interest and 'ganging up' but this will be different from the usual political setting.
I am a consultant in this. It's ok if you don't understand. I'd be amazed if somebody would and he/she is from a political apathetic environment as this.
So, it's up for the concept to evolve from now on. -
Get organise, ladies and gentlemen, and crowd the local political scenario with your big names and personalities.
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This Neutron party you are suggesting seem to be sandwich in between the incumbent and opposition.
No doubt they may represent the public view in large as what you are trying to say, but why create one more party out of it when feedback channels are all readily available.
Either you are for or against the policy. No standing in the middle. -
That's not true. Many of you are in the middle. And you shouldn't always think that it's a sandwich. Actually it's both incumbent and opposition engulfed by neutrons.Originally posted by TooFree:This Neutron party you are suggesting seem to be sandwich in between the incumbent and opposition.
No doubt they may represent the public view in large as what you are trying to say, but why create one more party out of it when feedback channels are all readily available.
Either you are for or against the policy. No standing in the middle.
Neutrons need no party. Policy is interest-related, there's no such thing as either or.
Anyway, just hope more people will stand for election as neutral, esp after the coming one. -
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relax lar.. still haven't announce the election day..
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Ok... no harm getting yourselves ready for the next 5 years.
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Hi Elfred,Originally posted by Elfred:Other than those of the incumbent and the oppositions who have been in the playground for ages, there have been a force that has been absent from this political landscape which usually springs to life after many many rounds of battles of the two camps.
Borned from the dust, this new camp of political force is evolved from the spare capacity of the arena: The neutrals.
Thousands of years have passed in human civilisations. Yet, while there are many neutrals, there are few such forces which are neutral in real. It is usually incumbent and opposition, incumbent and rebels, and it is usually blind fighting.
In election-base states, Neutrons are still very new ideas. But Neutrons are also the most democratic or autocratic components of a state. Neutrons based their characters all due to themselves, and their political nature all due to themselves. They represent not the 15% top not the the opposition, but arisen from the very essence of the general public.
Neutrons stand in between, free from attachment to either the incumbent and the oppositions, and free from party politics but politics where such interest is based on the wisdom of the general. A Neutronic government is simply one which have an incumbent but with a significant portion of neutrons in the parliament. When the entire government is party-free, it becomes totally Neutronic government.
I hereby am scheduled to release a little piece of ad online.
The elections following the coming one could be a good one for a Neutronic political presence. The only true party is the cooperation among non-party elements, which may only be represented by One singular organisation if needs be.
Singaporeans should try to wake up to the evolution of a Neutronic political era, first brought to you by Elfred from Singapore in the year 2005.
Get yourselves organised into Neutronic teams, share your wisdom among neutrons and stand for elections as Neutronic teams.
Forget about democrates or republicans or what autocrates or oppositions, be neutral and evolve yourselves into neutronic political elements.
Consider.
Actually, in the political context, any party you register officially starts out as an opposition party. Whatever you call it, the public understands you as an opposition party.
A few political parties tried to do what you described upon formation. In the end, they did worse in recruitment than major parties. One of them is NSP.
Unless you are talking about forming an NGO. Roundtable and Socratic Circle existed but wounded up.
I am not sure where you get the idea that such "neutral parties" exist.
On the contrary, most small parties in US take the side of either the Republicans or Democrats.
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Why in the hack would neutrals register party in the first place?Originally posted by SGLoyalist:Hi Elfred,
Actually, in the political context, any party you register officially starts out as an opposition party. Whatever you call it, the public understands you as an opposition party.
A few political parties tried to do what you described upon formation. In the end, they did worse in recruitment than major parties. One of them is NSP.
Unless you are talking about forming an NGO. Roundtable and Socratic Circle existed but wounded up.
I am not sure where you get the idea that such "neutral parties" exist.
On the contrary, most small parties in US take the side of either the Republicans or Democrats.
Regards
Tea party, fashion party or any party, no need to register, just organise yourselves and stand for elections.
We can have some kinda indirect organisations which would back neutrons. See? Besides, that's the whole idea about neutrons, party-less government. -
It's just like saying I want to be PM because I dont want APP and PW to fight for votes.
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SMLJ?
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Ohhh....I get what you are trying to say. You are saying you want to take over the world? Dream on....
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Hi,Originally posted by Elfred:Why in the hack would neutrals register party in the first place?
Tea party, fashion party or any party, no need to register, just organise yourselves and stand for elections.
We can have some kinda indirect organisations which would back neutrons. See? Besides, that's the whole idea about neutrons, party-less government.
I see.
I would say this idea may not be unworkable although it was not many years back.
But let us see if any group of independent candidates with good social networks will come forward.
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It will definitely work, but here... It will take decades to develope itself, call it some evolution. A kinda government where scholars and professionals offers professional advises, suggestions and such, but hold literally no political powers lest they coincidentally are good leaders themselves.Originally posted by SGLoyalist:Hi,
I see.
I would say this idea may not be unworkable although it was not many years back.
But let us see if any group of independent candidates with good social networks will come forward.
Regards
Which means, the balance of neutrals will effect the entire leadership.
There will be fighting, but every neutrals in the parliament and the grounds will be fighting as well for their interests and the nation's. That means, louya elements have no vehicle to ride into political leadership but with own ability. And situation will bring about the leaders, and the decision. A decision that all makes and the responsibility for all and a reward for all possible groups of neutrons. They are the incumbent and opposition to one and other.
Before the ideas get spreaded to other lands, Singaporeans should try to organise themselves to enter politics, and foster the kinship among themselves instead of simply ganging up.
Of course, there won't possibly be GRC under total neutronic environment.
It's not really democracy, because under Neutronic government there is no such thing as President of state, nor prime minister. Neutronic politics arisen because of two political powers working against each others where the neutrals are produced, democracy often results in conglomerates or parties, often hailing one political approach at each side.
As Neutrons, only they know what's best for themselves, not for their parties or some fixed ideologies, which the 'can't be bothered' trait is obvious.
How would a decision be made in a total Neutonic government?
X issue is being raised by Council Member, advise from a non-empowered professional team, both opinions of Council Members and advise from team will be tabled for live discussion.
The outcome will be voted for, and be sent to the Hall of Protests chaired by a group of 50 randomly selected neutrons who together will vete and agree through the results, and will join in 'live' debate against Council Members during a allocated Day of Protest. But the Council Members will have the final vote to pass motion. Random members of House of Protest have no rights to vote on motion.
Such performance will be kept in check by the public.
Of course... highly sensitive stuff are all discussed among those Council Members beyond public. But should such decisions lead the nation nowhere, the Neutrons will remove the Council Members in the next term.
All this while, people can still form parties to stand for elections.
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In a neutral situation, most decisions will not be premeditated. If the decision is made, then the perpetuator would not be a neutral.Originally posted by Elfred:It will definitely work, but here... It will take decades to develope itself, call it some evolution. A kinda government where scholars and professionals offers professional advises, suggestions and such, but hold literally no political powers lest they coincidentally are good leaders themselves.
Which means, the balance of neutrals will effect the entire leadership.
There will be fighting, but every neutrals in the parliament and the grounds will be fighting as well for their interests and the nation's. That means, louya elements have no vehicle to ride into political leadership but with own ability. And situation will bring about the leaders, and the decision. A decision that all makes and the responsibility for all and a reward for all possible groups of neutrons. They are the incumbent and opposition to one and other.
Before the ideas get spreaded to other lands, Singaporeans should try to organise themselves to enter politics, and foster the kinship among themselves instead of simply ganging up.
Of course, there won't possibly be GRC under total neutronic environment.
It's not really democracy, because under Neutronic government there is no such thing as President of state, nor prime minister. Neutronic politics arisen because of two political powers working against each others where the neutrals are produced, democracy often results in conglomerates or parties, often hailing one political approach at each side.
As Neutrons, only they know what's best for themselves, not for their parties or some fixed ideologies, which the 'can't be bothered' trait is obvious.
How would a decision be made in a total Neutonic government?
X issue is being raised by Council Member, advise from a non-empowered professional team, both opinions of Council Members and advise from team will be tabled for live discussion.
The outcome will be voted for, and be sent to the Hall of Protests chaired by a group of 50 randomly selected neutrons who together will vete and agree through the results, and will join in 'live' debate against Council Members during a allocated Day of Protest. But the Council Members will have the final vote to pass motion. Random members of House of Protest have no rights to vote on motion.
Such performance will be kept in check by the public.
Of course... highly sensitive stuff are all discussed among those Council Members beyond public. But should such decisions lead the nation nowhere, the Neutrons will remove the Council Members in the next term.
All this while, people can still form parties to stand for elections.
Neutronic government is actually a mega Council.
And by making it go 'live', it's as good as having reality TV being featured with the members of parliament as the zoo animals exhibited to the public.
What actually makes it worse it that since they are neutrals... their credentials are not necessary important and thus we end up with all walks of life trying to dictate life for the general crowd. It may sound nice, but the entire system will be ruined by too many individualists with no active participations...
What an interesting notion, this is definitely a possible idea, but I'll rather have an 'active' party than a neutral party in parliament.
My votes are reserved more for people who're there to make lives better... not makes bills hard to be passed and corrupt legislation processes. We want an efficient government, not a, passive party taking a majority of the votes. -
u could hv a neutronic govt as a form of interrim govt though, to start off solutions to the numrerous problems PAP has created, as referenced by other threads in this forum, Sintercom and Sammyboy...
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Singapore got election?I live until 30+ still havent got a chance to cast a single vote,not even presidential election!!!!Hey,Goh Chok Tong and Lee Kuan Yew,Singapore got election is it?Why u ppl never tell us that?
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There is no need to worry about 'inactive' neutral parties. When there is a proposal by one, it could be countered by another neutron if that potentially hurts his/her interest. The population will decide their leaders' gross performance; for those who never gotta see 'live' will hear the words via informal channels.Originally posted by Nelstar:In a neutral situation, most decisions will not be premeditated. If the decision is made, then the perpetuator would not be a neutral.
And by making it go 'live', it's as good as having reality TV being featured with the members of parliament as the zoo animals exhibited to the public.
What actually makes it worse it that since they are neutrals... their credentials are not necessary important and thus we end up with all walks of life trying to dictate life for the general crowd. It may sound nice, but the entire system will be ruined by too many individualists with no active participations...
What an interesting notion, this is definitely a possible idea, but I'll rather have an 'active' party than a neutral party in parliament.
My votes are reserved more for people who're there to make lives better... not makes bills hard to be passed and corrupt legislation processes. We want an efficient government, not a, passive party taking a majority of the votes.
Going 'live' is sticking to the principle: If you do have something good, there is nothing to hide. If you are needed in the parliament, you be there.
Hence live. That's either there are in a zoo with opague walls or transparent glasses, and to make it work, you'd have to get those leaders to perform.
The great thing about credentials is they don't really matter. Only worthless leaders try to make their way through by credentials. If they are meant to be leaders, the population will decide if they stay, or not.
I suppose your views is not very understanding of Neutronic politics.
If they play individualistic, they'd have to handle the rest of the Council Members' individualistism, the Members of Hall of Protest, and the people. If the people accepts such individualism, that's the people's choice. If such Council member can't lead well, you think anyone still want him/her, with or without individualism?
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Neutronic government, once established, maybe after hundreds of years somewhere, will stay. At least the local Neutronic Council will remind the people of the effect of party politics... for which they chose to Neutonic in the first place.Originally posted by pikamaster:u could hv a neutronic govt as a form of interrim govt though, to start off solutions to the numrerous problems PAP has created, as referenced by other threads in this forum, Sintercom and Sammyboy...
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Anyone with good articles can send via email to me and I'd publish it. Otherwise, it'd be all for the comments.
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You know what's it like to put ten men with different interest together when they organise a party?Originally posted by Elfred:There is no need to worry about 'inactive' neutral parties. When there is a proposal by one, it could be countered by another neutron if that potentially hurts his/her interest. The population will decide their leaders' gross performance; for those who never gotta see 'live' will hear the words via informal channels.
Going 'live' is sticking to the principle: If you do have something good, there is nothing to hide. If you are needed in the parliament, you be there.
Hence live. That's either there are in a zoo with opague walls or transparent glasses, and to make it work, you'd have to get those leaders to perform.
The great thing about credentials is they don't really matter. Only worthless leaders try to make their way through by credentials. If they are meant to be leaders, the population will decide if they stay, or not.
I suppose your views is not very understanding of Neutronic politics.
If they play individualistic, they'd have to handle the rest of the Council Members' individualistism, the Members of Hall of Protest, and the people. If the people accepts such individualism, that's the people's choice. If such Council member can't lead well, you think anyone still want him/her, with or without individualism?
Efficiency can only come where leadership is maximised, in political terms.
Nothing gets done.
Going 'live' isn't bad, just that we get to laugh at our members of parliament... for their stupidity.... And that foreigners also can share the joy of such painful acts of shame.
And I'm really thinking, why would someone be considered a neutral when they actively participate in the parliment since neutrals basically has no standpoint nor affliation. They just dont even cast their votes. Or else, this is basically a group of detached people who will not actually work to achieve anything since, when they suggest something, there must be a problem. Neutrals don't really bother about problems. They just let the problems lie there and let others do the job.
When you decide to rally the people, what do u say u will do for the Government?
'We're neutrals. We do not support anyone or even our own political members. We are standalones. We will fight amongst ourselves and squabble like rats on national TV and we can all have a jolly good laugh' -
Expected question from people who are too used to party existence.Originally posted by Nelstar:You know what's it like to put ten men with different interest together when they organise a party?
Nothing gets done.
Going 'live' isn't bad, just that we get to laugh at our members of parliament... for their stupidity.... And that foreigners also can share the joy of such painful acts of shame.
And I'm really thinking, why would someone be considered a neutral when they actively participate in the parliment since neutrals basically has no standpoint nor affliation. They just dont even cast their votes. Or else, this is basically a group of detached people who will not actually work to achieve anything since, when they suggest something, there must be a problem. Neutrals don't really bother about problems. They just let the problems lie there and let others do the job.
When you decide to rally the people, what do u say u will do for the Government?
'We're neutrals. We do not support anyone or even our own political members. We are standalones. We will fight amongst ourselves and squabble like rats on national TV and we can all have a jolly good laugh'
When you have ten people of various political interests together, that's a problem. But when you have ten people whose political interest varies politically, that's the main point.
If you have ten people who believe political interest is to maintain control, and that means coalition/colluding by means of party (whip/rules), this political is definitely not the same political when ten individuals have varied interest.
In Neutronic parliament, there is no void votes, and everyone vote in number of odds. A decision will not drag beyond 1 month for the same issue. That you don't have to worry. You may raise your issues at my blog site, and read up the intro of this form of politics.
In order to stop laughing to anyone at all, the leadership will evolve, or be replaced till such leadership emerge. If the leadership worth a laugh, you can still go to the parliament visitor seat and laugh. It's all up to their performance. Maybe they are laughable, but they are leading very well, who knows?
How can a neutral has no standpoint? Their interest coupled with their political office will have a standpoint. Neutrals who entered politics becomes neutrons. In the current settings, if they were to win a GRC, they still vote in parliament. If oppositions'd entered parliament, they can.
When Neutrons stands for election, that's up to them to convince they are entering politics to serve any interests but a party's. There is no party to start with, and anyone can form government. You don't do for the government, you do for yourself and whom you'd serve.
"We are neutrons, of course we don't have any official political members to start with, why would such be a question? Neutrons entering politics not to elevate members, but the nation."
I suppose party politics has already deep-rooted in your mindset. Hence this will need time to evolve.