Are there too many degree holders?
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Judging from the emphasis placed on ITEs and Polytechnics in LHL's NDP Speech, it seems that implicitly he is trying to tell us that there are too many degree holders in the job market.
This is clear from the never ending praises he has for the achievements in both ITEs and Polytechnics throughout his speech about education. I think this is inevitable. We are becoming over reliant on foreign labour for "low-end" jobs, which is why there is a need to change the mindset of the general public on these low end jobs.
Example will the 63 year old lady mentioned in his speech who became a toilet cleaner. Her son was "disgusted" at that fact that her mum is a toilet cleaner, but she told her son that there is nothing wrong with that since she is earning a honest and decent living.
Hey, I am a degree holder myself, seriously... pay me $5k a month, I won't mind cleaning toilets...
in fact, I will brush the tile joints with a toothbrush if needed... -
True,i don't care about qualifications,just give me good pay and i'll be happy enough..
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what singapore needs now is a nobel prize winner. become one and u r set for life, the govt and the local unis will praise you to the heavens, the govt probably might invite you to apply for president elections. The local unis will be fighting to employ you as their resident lecturer with $XXX,XXX/mth salary and private and govt firms will be employing ur services as a consultant to give advice in the areas of ur expertise, say if u are nobel prize in economics, then those finance departments will be vying for your service. Imagine multiple source income! better than MLM!
This is ur chance ppl, especially those who are not scholars but are uni students or post grads, this is ur chance..... u dont have to be a scholar to be a nobel prize winner, but u sure have to be god darn smart. look at albert einstein, branded as a hopless child in school, but changed the world with his quantum theories and relativity theories. you can do it people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
here's something..
never mistake education for intelligence... -
you forgot to mention the prize is 1 million so you will really be set for lifeOriginally posted by leddy:what singapore needs now is a nobel prize winner. become one and u r set for life, the govt and the local unis will praise you to the heavens, the govt probably might invite you to apply for president elections. The local unis will be fighting to employ you as their resident lecturer with $XXX,XXX/mth salary and private and govt firms will be employing ur services as a consultant to give advice in the areas of ur expertise, say if u are nobel prize in economics, then those finance departments will be vying for your service. Imagine multiple source income! better than MLM!
This is ur chance ppl, especially those who are not scholars but are uni students or post grads, this is ur chance..... u dont have to be a scholar to be a nobel prize winner, but u sure have to be god darn smart. look at albert einstein, branded as a hopless child in school, but changed the world with his quantum theories and relativity theories. you can do it people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
With respect to the question in your header:
Take a train to Raffles Place or Downtown Orchard during lunchtime. Take a stone and throw it into the crowd. High chance you may hit someone who ever wore a mortar board before... (ignore the repercussions)
Fast forward, 30 years from now, if LHL vision comes true, go to same place and throw a stone into the crowd again. If you didn't hit someone who wore a mortar board before, hurry back to the neighbourhood NTUC and stake your bet on 4D/TOTO. Lady luck may still be smiling at you... -
if we ever produce one i think it'll be highly unlikely that he/she will be working from a local university, simply because our emphasis is different, we don't do much basic sciences R&D, if at all, concentrating mostly on applied stuff, stuff that'll have commercial value ... while Nobels are mostly given for Ivory tower type stuff ... and if he's like the Einstein you've described, forget it ... his ego and interest in learning would have been so completely destroyed by the assorted streamings and exams of the singapore school system that he'll end up just working in a factory somewhere .....Originally posted by leddy:what singapore needs now is a nobel prize winner. become one and u r set for life, the govt and the local unis will praise you to the heavens, the govt probably might invite you to apply for president elections. The local unis will be fighting to employ you as their resident lecturer with $XXX,XXX/mth salary and private and govt firms will be employing ur services as a consultant to give advice in the areas of ur expertise, say if u are nobel prize in economics, then those finance departments will be vying for your service. Imagine multiple source income! better than MLM!
This is ur chance ppl, especially those who are not scholars but are uni students or post grads, this is ur chance..... u dont have to be a scholar to be a nobel prize winner, but u sure have to be god darn smart. look at albert einstein, branded as a hopless child in school, but changed the world with his quantum theories and relativity theories. you can do it people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
half of einstein's works were never practical stuff that could be applied to real life.
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his teachers called him stupid n hopeless...
he was a poly student -
It's just too little of the appropriate jobs...Originally posted by ndsef:Judging from the emphasis placed on ITEs and Polytechnics in LHL's NDP Speech, it seems that implicitly he is trying to tell us that there are too many degree holders in the job market.
This is clear from the never ending praises he has for the achievements in both ITEs and Polytechnics throughout his speech about education. I think this is inevitable. We are becoming over reliant on foreign labour for "low-end" jobs, which is why there is a need to change the mindset of the general public on these low end jobs.
Example will the 63 year old lady mentioned in his speech who became a toilet cleaner. Her son was "disgusted" at that fact that her mum is a toilet cleaner, but she told her son that there is nothing wrong with that since she is earning a honest and decent living.
Hey, I am a degree holder myself, seriously... pay me $5k a month, I won't mind cleaning toilets... in fact, I will brush the tile joints with a toothbrush if needed...
Aspire to cleaning toilets? I suppose you should go Iraq. You'd get use to the sh!tz even happening on the roads. -
I just want a place to live, sleep well, eat full and have wife and kids can liao.. why is that too much to ask???? WHY?! -
I'd bet a cup of copi this Einstein chap isn't ever Mr Philip Yeo's idol.Originally posted by shinta:his teachers called him stupid n hopeless...
he was a poly student
Rename him as Frankenstein Chia, it's a 'out you go, don't waste my sweet O' time...' .
Einstein would be jobless and his ideas will more or less be stolen or copied, without shame. The only place he got in Biopolis could be the toilet door where he'd scribble his theories, to be whitewashed by the cleaning crew as bad taste graffitis.
Luckily, he died early, or he would asked Sim Wang Foo how come he had to come to US and why no good help was offered for him in his motherland.
Einstein: 'Hitler drove me here...'
Mr Sim WF: 'Singapore drove me here...'
Einstein: 'I am the main reason why Mahattan project ever started...'
Mr Sim WF: 'I am the main reason why Singapore ever got Creative...' -
Originally posted by Elfred:It's just too little of the appropriate jobs...
Aspire to cleaning toilets? I suppose you should go Iraq. You'd get use to the sh!tz even happening on the roads.
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too many degree holders but too little entrepreneurs
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Better call for Toto to limit number range to 30 instead of 45. Buy toto only cost $2, rent shop cost a bomb...Originally posted by SnowFlag:too many degree holder but too little entrepreuer
Now that's risk management.
No money, no backup, entrepreneur...? Consider...
Consider, look look, no need to buy. -
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I think the problem comes back to rising costs of living that forces everyone to go for higher education so as to secure that high paying job to keep themselves in the black after paying for all the mortgages and hire purchases.
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Oh gosh! Please don't say things like that! I quit my cushy job of 4 years to go back to school for a degree! But in my defence, I didn't do it for the paper. It was something that I wanted to do. The whole uni campus experience you know. But after 2 years back in school, I can surely reconfirm that the Singapore education system (and students) suck big time!
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The question is not whether there are too many degree holders.
It's whether you have enough suitable jobs for these degree holders. -
hi,
After reading this post, i believe it is quite true that singaporeans are becoming too materialistics. come on, a degree holders and a diploma holders come to your owned company. Which 1 will u hire? A diploma holders that earned 24k per year or a a degree holders that earned more than 36k per year?? -
As a country progress, it should experience a wholesome developement in both technologies, services, banking and other sectors. However, our country likes to use the tactic of putting all eggs in a basket in the past. Just look at the industry policy in 1990s, gov insisted that we should not spare any effort in semiconductor sectors and property / construction sector. We poured in so much money and open so much courses in Poly and Uni to crater for these star industries; as a result we experienced a sudden over supply of "skilled labour" when the semicon industries moved out, construction / property market crashed after 1998.
Today, our gov is again pushing for Biomedical and Service sectors. Well, let just hope that the history would not repeat itself again. -
Eventually, when you're out in the working world, you realise that how you apply whatever knowedge you've learnt matters. I've experienced being subordinates to new superiors who were just out fresh from school. Since most came from an academic background, they try to apply textbook knowledge in the working place with unfavourable results.
I guess you have to ask yourself, why are you learning this? Why are you in school? If you're doing it because the government says it's the way to go, then I think you're just wasting your time. I think most people can't differentiate lifelong learning and studying. Most people study but they don't learn.
PM Lee highlighted ITE and Poly education in his ND Rally speech to reassure people that there are options to the education system here. It's not just the straight path from PSLE to GCE O to GCE A to Undergraduate. Whatever path we take, I think we have to do it with the right reasons. Ideally, people should respect that.
He could also be asking the local universities to wake up and start being real i.e. incorporate more practical modules in their syllabus. -
The ultimate fear of the present Singapore Government aka the Ruling Party is to have many "trained minds that go hungry" - as it creates a volatile situation for themselves.
Too may "trained minds that go hungry" will defeat their cherished position of "FILL the Stomachs, and DULL the Minds" .
How do you DULL the THINKING and TRAINED MINDS of so many jobless Graduates that have HUNGRY STOMACHS ?
The current situation is typical of an Economy that is not open, and very much dependent on an inflexible and slow moving CENTRAL PLANNING, in which the Politicians are slow in responding to changing directions of the markets and industries.
Politicians tinker with the Education System to provide trained labor into industries that are the "favorite pets of the season" .
Unfortunately, the Education System takes SIXTEEN Years of Primary to Tertiary Levels, and the trained labor output are rigid in the training and exposures to be of any use to industries and businesses that have transient business and products Life Cycles.
With external Global Factors being constantly blamed for our present predicaments, the Million Dollar Salaried Elites clearly show that they are unable to respond to the Short Term Challenges with their Long Term Plans that target the World as our Market. -
Emm... Why isn't me one of your 'Fresh out of the School' superiors...? When will I become one?Originally posted by modgurl:Eventually, when you're out in the working world, you realise that how you apply whatever knowedge you've learnt matters. I've experienced being subordinates to new superiors who were just out fresh from school. Since most came from an academic background, they try to apply textbook knowledge in the working place with unfavourable results.
I guess you have to ask yourself, why are you learning this? Why are you in school? If you're doing it because the government says it's the way to go, then I think you're just wasting your time. I think most people can't differentiate lifelong learning and studying. Most people study but they don't learn.
PM Lee highlighted ITE and Poly education in his ND Rally speech to reassure people that there are options to the education system here. It's not just the straight path from PSLE to GCE O to GCE A to Undergraduate. Whatever path we take, I think we have to do it with the right reasons. Ideally, people should respect that.
He could also be asking the local universities to wake up and start being real i.e. incorporate more practical modules in their syllabus.
The problem is not really practical or not practical stuff...
Now it seems the most practical stuff is to learn how your wife cleans the toilets, that after you reach 40 as a manager, at least you can end up as a toilet cleaner...
Condition not getting really better, it so seems.