Are there too many degree holders?
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Hahaha! What's the obession with toilets? And what makes you think women these days know how to clean toilets? They know how to get someone else to clean the toilets for them.
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Hahahahaha... Maybe that's why we've got even a cert for cleaners...Originally posted by modgurl:Hahaha! What's the obession with toilets? And what makes you think women these days know how to clean toilets? They know how to get someone else to clean the toilets for them.
You know, to make sure man cleans toilet as good as their wives... or used to be their wives' chores.
Speaking of gender equality, that may be a good point.
Know that I am not very... easy with the development in recent years. -
Thats the problem in developed countries like japan, UK too many grad while they shunned the low end job... in near future plumber will get more pay then grad that wat happen to UK now
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that i agreed on it.. even australia do want any graduates.. they wan more trained skilled person.. meaning more woodcraft.. house builder and so forth.. Why??? industry demand its services.. We, Chinese tend to aim higher.. like earning more money or getting more power or high post.. Is it right??
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There's a reason for the PM to highlight ITE and Poly edu. The P-O-A-U edu system produced too many lookalike breed of scholars and mindset and when you have that over 20 years, the economy of scholars collapses. There are no carpenters, shoe-makers, fashion designers, fashion models, song writers, musicians, etc but just too many "expensive" accountants, doctors, engineers, lawyers "everywhere" here for the IR and Marina Bay project. Fun in Sg surely will suck.Originally posted by modgurl:Eventually, when you're out in the working world, you realise that how you apply whatever knowedge you've learnt matters. I've experienced being subordinates to new superiors who were just out fresh from school. Since most came from an academic background, they try to apply textbook knowledge in the working place with unfavourable results.
I guess you have to ask yourself, why are you learning this? Why are you in school? If you're doing it because the government says it's the way to go, then I think you're just wasting your time. I think most people can't differentiate lifelong learning and studying. Most people study but they don't learn.
PM Lee highlighted ITE and Poly education in his ND Rally speech to reassure people that there are options to the education system here. It's not just the straight path from PSLE to GCE O to GCE A to Undergraduate. Whatever path we take, I think we have to do it with the right reasons. Ideally, people should respect that.
He could also be asking the local universities to wake up and start being real i.e. incorporate more practical modules in their syllabus.
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I am going to get me one of those toilet cleaning cert. Who knows, one day I might just be paid $5k (PV) to clean a toilet, bec all you degree snobs shun the low end jobs! After all the aunties and uncles hand in their I/Cs and Bangalore and India demand higher wages for their workers, I will be rich!!!
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lol.. got such cert.. i dun mind.. 1 extra cert in my pocket..
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Degree holders are overrated?
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haha.. my sec school teacher used to say.. a signboard dropped in orchard road.. dunno how many o lvl students died.. now is degree student died..
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I have made numerous trips to USA and Australia over 10 years. It is interesting to note that public toilets (i.e. parks, theme parks, rest stops and shopping malls, etc.) over there are far much cleaner than those in Singapore. Despite boasting having world class facilities and number one positions, we cannot even keep basic amenities like toilets clean and in working order. So much for having a world class education system. Maybe we focused too much attention and resources on big items to inflate our egos and massage our insecurity.
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You very smart. Usually when jobs like this one reaches $5000, then many people cheong for such certs, and you'd be there to capitalise on the 'upgrading' opportunities cos, again, usually you'd find something as the World's First Toilet Cleaning 101 Degree and Master program...Originally posted by ndsef:I am going to get me one of those toilet cleaning cert. Who knows, one day I might just be paid $5k (PV) to clean a toilet, bec all you degree snobs shun the low end jobs! After all the aunties and uncles hand in their I/Cs and Bangalore and India demand higher wages for their workers, I will be rich!!!
Don't people realise, now you can't even apply for social workers for those higher position no matter how compassionate you are if you don't have the Degree for Social Works... kinda. A plump Malay lady was heard telling at one such career fairs quietly: '...eh, remove all those applications without (social work) degree qualification...'
As always, I happened to be there.
Now you all know how much passion cannot compare to one cert.
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Originally posted by Elfred:
thats why people must understand that cert is sometime very important.. But is it a must?? Society should started to review on the types of education people are getting?? Are they getting the right one for the job?? or are they chosing the right type of jobs?? Nowadays a lot of jobs do not have the neccessary skilled person for the jobs.. and Singapore economy required them a lot more to complement those with degree.. in a platoon, u need a officer, a plt sgt and a lot of soldiers.. But without these soldiers where do we have the officer and so forth??
You very smart. Usually when jobs like this one reaches $5000, then many people cheong for such certs, and you'd be there to capitalise on the 'upgrading' opportunities cos, again, usually you'd find something as the World's [b]First Toilet Cleaning 101 Degree and Master program...
Don't people realise, now you can even apply for social workers for those higher position no matter how compassionate you are if you don't have the Degree for Social Works... kinda. A plump Malay lady was heard telling at one such career fairs quietly: '...eh, remove all those applications without (social work) degree qualification...'
As always, I happened to be there.
Now you all know how much passion cannot compare to one cert. [/b] -
It's a must... Because in 1970s it was a must. In 1980s it still was a must. And so 20000s, it will still be a must.Originally posted by geran76:thats why people must understand that cert is sometime very important.. But is it a must?? Society should started to review on the types of education people are getting?? Are they getting the right one for the job?? or are they chosing the right type of jobs?? Nowadays a lot of jobs do not have the neccessary skilled person for the jobs.. and Singapore economy required them a lot more to complement those with degree.. in a platoon, u need a officer, a plt sgt and a lot of soldiers.. But without these soldiers where do we have the officer and so forth??
People will tell you, without that d@mn cert, how to show quality???
What skill? The only best job now when everyone is picking the gold in China and India is in the civil service. Get As on every papers you sit, or be looked down at. Simple.
Skills? Ain't schools already enabled you all the qualified skills officially already?
Do you think that skillful sales person will really complement happily a Marketing degree holder when he could be setting up his own marketing companies and hire degree holders as commission based sales persons...
Wake up... this is Singapore. No degree means No Life.
If everyone no get degree, who gonna pay $40,000 course fees to some lecturers who'd otherwise earn $1500 selling kacang putehs...? -
i agreed with that.. Lolz.. singaporeans are becoming too materialistics about the way of life.. Thats why we need to review the wages structure of all professionals.. And how much are they getting pay? Which i think unlikely.. Sigh..
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Yeah... but that's not materialistic, that's basic man instinct. Who don't wanna make as much as possible while doing as little as possible?Originally posted by geran76:i agreed with that.. Lolz.. singaporeans are becoming too materialistics about the way of life.. Thats why we need to review the wages structure of all professionals.. And how much are they getting pay? Which i think unlikely.. Sigh..
But you wanna check, go stand for elections lah... Wanna join party to check, join PAP you can have internal check, join opposition you external check, never join, chey... how to check? -
feeling like freaking hopeless.. haha..
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Me too. Think you the only one meh?Originally posted by geran76:feeling like freaking hopeless.. haha..
What will tomorrow be like? You know how much NOL people made? -
how much did NOL ppl make??
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"Waste Technology and Management" would be the more 'dignified' term for those dabbing in cleaning toilets.
How about 'Segregated Materials Specialist' as a term for such a worker?
Someone said its more important and critical that the nation creates more jobs, more employment opportunities for all people. That I agree.
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haha..
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Only one word: Loaded.Originally posted by geran76:how much did NOL ppl make?? -
Hmm... Basically, degree holders are (What i call) "Society Pass" nowadays.
In fact, we cannot say if a degree holder is useful or not because it really lies on individual degree course of studies and the individual knowledge a person and realise out of a course. If the course is useless, it produce useless people. If a course is useful, it still can produce useless people who are walking on the streets jobless or being too unlucky enough to be there. Of course there are still some which are the more high end ones doing well out there.
There's simply no "Too many degree holders" now becoz like i said, its a Society Pass where people will one recognise you when u're a graduate. Juz like the guy who mention above, saying about the plump Malay lady who ask them to remove the application of those are are not degree holders.
People are too qualification orientated now. Whether or not the employee can work or not, it muz be judged through whether u can *pass* you exams in degree or not. It's actually also becoz of the "Boss saying rights" it has in the economic now where employers are choosing A class diamonds out of the bag.
Now if we turn around and look back in the 80s, unemployment rate were high but ones the MNCs came into Singapore, WE the empolyees has the rights to CHOOSE our job becoz we hve demands power thru the lack of skilled workers. But, the society now is that degree holders are the minimum requirement for applications in a very unofficial way as educated people CLAIMED to be more intelligence and knowledgable for the firms next generation.
Basically, if we look at the different kind of degree holders on the streets.
The local Uni ones, Overseas Graduates and Distance Learning ones.
The private sectors actually choose to take in the oversears and distance learning ones even though when the employer didn't know if the local ones would be better. They had the bad perception that SG education system is not "advanced" enough. Which caused alot of fresh graduates to suffer now.
Although the government is encouraging the people to study in local Unis, if you take close notice ard... you'll realised that the government sectors has alot of employees which take in distance learning/overseas graduate over the local uni ones. I'm not sure why but that's what i've been watching for the past few years. I really wonder what's going to happen to those Locals?
Well, anyway if anyone out there believes that there's too much bachelor degree holders, then aim higher rather than lower. Go for a Masters (Where is going to be like bachelor degree soon), Doctoral or a P.H.D! *That's the only thing you can bring along into grave, being called a Dr.XXX on ur tombstone :p -
So you better study hard and get as many degrees as possible, and pass more social doors.Originally posted by joeacid:Hmm... Basically, degree holders are (What i call) "Society Pass" nowadays.
In fact, we cannot say if a degree holder is useful or not because it really lies on individual degree course of studies and the individual knowledge a person and realise out of a course. If the course is useless, it produce useless people. If a course is useful, it still can produce useless people who are walking on the streets jobless or being too unlucky enough to be there. Of course there are still some which are the more high end ones doing well out there.
There's simply no "Too many degree holders" now becoz like i said, its a Society Pass where people will one recognise you when u're a graduate. Juz like the guy who mention above, saying about the plump Malay lady who ask them to remove the application of those are are not degree holders.
People are too qualification orientated now. Whether or not the employee can work or not, it muz be judged through whether u can *pass* you exams in degree or not. It's actually also becoz of the "Boss saying rights" it has in the economic now where employers are choosing A class diamonds out of the bag.
Now if we turn around and look back in the 80s, unemployment rate were high but ones the MNCs came into Singapore, WE the empolyees has the rights to CHOOSE our job becoz we hve demands power thru the lack of skilled workers. But, the society now is that degree holders are the minimum requirement for applications in a very unofficial way as educated people CLAIMED to be more intelligence and knowledgable for the firms next generation.
Basically, if we look at the different kind of degree holders on the streets.
The local Uni ones, Overseas Graduates and Distance Learning ones.
The private sectors actually choose to take in the oversears and distance learning ones even though when the employer didn't know if the local ones would be better. They had the bad perception that SG education system is not "advanced" enough. Which caused alot of fresh graduates to suffer now.
Although the government is encouraging the people to study in local Unis, if you take close notice ard... you'll realised that the government sectors has alot of employees which take in distance learning/overseas graduate over the local uni ones. I'm not sure why but that's what i've been watching for the past few years. I really wonder what's going to happen to those Locals?
Well, anyway if anyone out there believes that there's too much bachelor degree holders, then aim higher rather than lower. Go for a Masters (Where is going to be like bachelor degree soon), Doctoral or a P.H.D! *That's the only thing you can bring along into grave, being called a Dr.XXX on ur tombstone :p
Singapore is rich enough to feed those who passed the doors... Hehehehehe... Very soon, even if you polish nears, you'd need a doctorate.
Take care.
From: That guy up there. -
One FT scientist brought in by our Great Leaders once said that with a PhD, Singaporean scientists can get a job cleaning test tubes in his lab..Originally posted by Elfred:So you better study hard and get as many degrees as possible, and pass more social doors.
Singapore is rich enough to feed those who passed the doors... Hehehehehe... Very soon, even if you polish nears, you'd need a doctorate.
Take care.
From: That guy up there. -
Don't go rush blindly and pay a bomb to get a degree (when it's going to be all over the street) and end up with heavy debts and washing test-tubes/toilets.