Sharia Law has no place in a free democracy
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And where is change supposed to come from? When all everyone does is to focus on the division instead of building bridges. When everyone thinks that there is no room for compromise. When everyone is focused on the extremists. When the voice of the moderates are being drowned. When everyone thinks that each other are inflexible and unreasonable. When everyone justify their current actions on past actions. All this does is to widen the division and alienate each other. Damn ridiculous.Originally posted by Gauze:It is indeed a sad reality in some of the Muslim world, Atobe and 84mmrr.
Anyway, the contemporary intellectuals arent reinterpreting the Shari'ah laws. It cannot be reinterpreted because it must grow afresh, as is when it was presented with an illuminative value and objective truth. A good example is in the webpage I linked to. That is different from a mere tainted immitativeness of the religious bigots who manifests such veracity according to their own needs while claiming religious validity. For them, the Shari'ah in the first place is a utilitarian receptacle. I really hope too, there will be change.
What harm is there in setting up a Syariah Law in Australia that is compatible with their consituition? All the arguments are of the form of "they are the minority and emigrants so they should not make any demands". OR "they should not have the rights because other Muslims in other countries also do not treat minorities well." What?! Where are the real disadvantages??! We don't even know the Laws that they want to be implemented. If the Australian Muslims are unreasonable in the implementation of the Syariah Law, then fine, they deserve it. But they are not even given the chance to prove their case.
Do some negotiations, find out which areas of the Syariah Law the Australian Muslims want to be implemented and then propose what can be done about it. Some social surveys and social research would also be helpful. Do not outright reject it and alienate them. At the very least, appear accommodating even though at the back of your mind you know that you are going to reject them. That's just smart leadership to prevent unrest.
Anyway, the the thread is veering way off-topic. Discussion about the Australian Muslims blew up into an attack of the Muslim world in general. Kinda reminds me of arguments with my mum. One argument on a single topic would would grow into thousands of past arguments on thousands of topics , from the day I was born till now.
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Ah, yes.. we've lost focus. I was saying in reply to the backwardness of some countries. I'm together in hand with your view.
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Fully agreed.... this is what i wanted to say...Originally posted by 84mmrr:Muslim countries themselves do not have good records in treating their minorities well. In Egypt, churches were burnt and Chirstians communities being attacked. Iran is also another famous country for assasinating christian leaders.
It's a known fact in Indonesia that church buildings are torn down with the excuse that they are not safe and no new buildings are allowed to be built. That's why they use their house for religious activities. Now, there are reports that muslim extremists are forcing these chirstians to stop their activities in their own house.
Even in Brunei, if you claim to be Christians, you can forget about getting promotion as civil servent.
Comparing the way muslim govts treating minority religions in their countries, I think Muslims are generally very well treated in most western countries & US.
Muslims should ask themselves are they being kind and tolerant towards others before complaining about others violating their rights.
They even cancelled or hide their christmas celebration just to accommodate minorities.
I dont see any other religion which is minor in size have created problem in other country. They are already brainwash not to tolerate others back in Arab.
They got one inch, they ask for 1 thousand more.
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Why do I make those statements? Because whenever muslims complained about not fairly treated, they forgot that muslim govts were cruel to others as well. They are not even giving others the basic rights. Bush made grave mistakes in Iraq & Guantánamo Bay but are muslims really suffernig badly in US?Originally posted by kheldorin:So Australian Muslims should suffer because of the acts of other Muslims countries? Isn't that the same reasoning the Bali bombers use to attack innocent Western tourists? It's not as if the Muslim world is one entity, that they are all homogenous and they all agree on the same things.
Because of the terrorists attacks, Muslims in Western countries are suffering from social backlash and discrimination. A guy got shot in Britain just because he looked like Middle Eastern...
Not to mention the countless of detainess in Guantánamo Bay.
I don't think that oz muslims are suffering in any way. There will always be racists in oz. If I migrate there, I'll be treated as 2nd class citizens as well.
As for UK, police are guarding mosque. Yes, UK police over-reacted and we'll see if they will learn from their mistakes. Most UK uni have muslim prayer rooms in their campus. When I was studying in UK, a church was being sued by muslims for a banner that says" Jesus is the only way to God". My questions to you is this: What more do you expect? -
My apology for being so vocal. It was not intended to be bashing muslim world. But I just feel that muslims must realise that they can be victims and oppressors as well. I'm trying to present the other side of the stories.Originally posted by kheldorin:Anyway, the the thread is veering way off-topic. Discussion about the Australian Muslims blew up into an attack of the Muslim world in general. Kinda reminds me of arguments with my mum. One argument on a single topic would would grow into thousands of past arguments on thousands of topics , from the day I was born till now. -
that is what china is doing. buy as much as they can, and when crude nearly run out and still needed, they will sell at the highest.Originally posted by vito_corleone:the petroleum companies have already developed non-oil based fuel long ago..they're just making as much money as they can by buying and selling oil, you really think they're that stupid to forever depend on oil?
they're just draining the resources out of the stupid arabs.
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you are right in trying to see from both side. When got discussion only from one side?Originally posted by 84mmrr:My apology for being so vocal. It was not intended to be bashing muslim world. But I just feel that muslims must realise that they can be victims and oppressors as well. I'm trying to present the other side of the stories.
All races and religion is equal. if muslim gets something from the goverment , then other religion like hindus etc must also get the same.
same as marriages , one or two wives?
Law says only one wife , then muslim want more, then other religion or non religion also can ask for it. If not where is the equality.
As for OZ, any guest whould know their place in a host country.