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What I am saying is that if you think you can get a level playing field, then you must be dreaming. Which country (democratic) gives their opponent a level playing field. The story is meant to tell you that if he gives you a level playing field then he is being cruel to himself. This will not be expected throughout. As in Singapore, we have redraw boundary, GRC etc.
Like Sun Zi says: if you have a choice to fight, choose a place where you stands a higher chance of winning because in a war, there is no winner but you don't lose big time.
If you think I am a hypocritic, maybe yes. My parents are civil servants. We need to eat. We can't simply come out and protest or jump into any opposition bandwagon. What we can do is to give the opposition a fighting chance during an election. -
I have no idea what you are talking about again. Which democratic nation gives their opponent a level playing field? C'mon.. please don't tell me you've been speaking all this while without even knowing this?Originally posted by LinYu:What I am saying is that if you think you can get a level playing field, then you must be dreaming. Which country (democratic) gives their opponent a level playing field. The story is meant to tell you that if he gives you a level playing field then he is being cruel to himself. This will not be expected throughout. As in Singapore, we have redraw boundary, GRC etc.
Like Sun Zi says: if you have a choice to fight, choose a place where you stands a higher chance of winning because in a war, there is no winner but you don't lose big time.
Take for example Michael Moore. He has filmed numerous videos and wrote several books undermining George Bush in the US.. Do you see Bush calling in the police to question Moore? Do you hear about Bush sending Moore to jail for saying things against him? The answer is NO.
You are comparing an apple with an orange to start with. China in those days operated under the aristocratic system. Here, we claim we operate under the system of democracy but we behave as if we were aristocrats.
Of course everyone would want to enchance their chances of winning in a competition, but there is no need to resort to underhand methods in achieving that. Please don't tell me about Sun Zi and emperors and castles. Open your eyes - this is not China. This is a "democratic" country!!! -
Then I think you are in the wrong place. U need to apply for permit to permit to protest, to speak at rally. U need to conduct the election games under their rules and regulations.Originally posted by loosefuse:I. Open your eyes - this is not China. This is a "democratic" country!!! -
I know.. Hence the inverted commas..
I talk to you a lil more, I think I will concuss..
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I've never tried this hard to explain something to someone.Originally posted by LinYu:Then I think you are in the wrong place. U need to apply for permit to permit to protest, to speak at rally. U need to conduct the election games under their rules and regulations.
You're the first.
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BS. The US system is as fair as it can get. And each Presidential election takes on year to conclude- from the individual primaries of each party to the real election after the two Conventions has been held in July or August.Originally posted by LinYu:What I am saying is that if you think you can get a level playing field, then you must be dreaming. Which country (democratic) gives their opponent a level playing field. The story is meant to tell you that if he gives you a level playing field then he is being cruel to himself. This will not be expected throughout. As in Singapore, we have redraw boundary, GRC etc.
Like Sun Zi says: if you have a choice to fight, choose a place where you stands a higher chance of winning because in a war, there is no winner but you don't lose big time.
If you think I am a hypocritic, maybe yes. My parents are civil servants. We need to eat. We can't simply come out and protest or jump into any opposition bandwagon. What we can do is to give the opposition a fighting chance during an election.
And while there are only two parties in the US, not all democrats and republicans follow the party line. In fact, most Presidents have to sometimes compromise with both their own party and the opposing party to pass the bill that they want. -
Stop taking every sentence literally. Do you know what scarcasm and ironic jokes in the first place?Originally posted by LinYu:Then I think you are in the wrong place. U need to apply for permit to permit to protest, to speak at rally. U need to conduct the election games under their rules and regulations. 
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I find that your post are rather impatient and extreme. In my view. if the opposition is of extreme ideology and value, then I rather no have them.Originally posted by loosefuse:I've never tried this hard to explain something to someone.
You're the first.
Congratulations.
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is ur choice.. it is ur vote.. for me, is that PAP have my patient for a long time.. they are not improving the job situation in singapore..Originally posted by LinYu:I find that your post are rather impatient and extreme. In my view. if the opposition is of extreme ideology and value, then I rather no have them.
2002 4.2
2003 4.5
2004 4.4
2005 4.3
this are the statistics from http://www.singstat.gov.sg/keystats/hist/unemployment.html
as you can see from the past 4 years the unemployment rate is not improving. What is the point of talking about impatient.. i am getting more and more impatient.. Come on man,
and u see from the best 10 years statistics..
1991 1.9
1992 2.4
1993 2.4
1994 2.2
1995 GHS 2.5
1996 2.4
1997 1.9
1998 2.5
1999 3.6
2000 Census 4.4
2001 2.7
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sorry post double
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I agree. Although there is no guarantee that the opposition can do a better job, the present gahamen are defintely not doing enough or worse still blind to the suitation.Originally posted by geran76:all sort of talk r pointless if u r not feeding the people in your countries..
Therefore there defintely is a need for an alternative check and balance to revive the suitation.
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i disagree with that.. i want to see some changes in the PAP attitude about singaporeans.. Sorry, PAP gov encourages singaporeans to have a identity of our owns.. But what u think, all our jobs are tken by foreigners workers and so forth.. Sorry, that is my view.. Personally, i am in australia.. I see that australia really have a identity of their own.. They r willingly to protect their own people by asking companies even foreign companies to employ australian citizens. But what is our government doing?? encouraging more foreigns workers to come into singapore.. Educating us.. is there any use at all?? what have the effect?? more people get higher post.. Any use?? lolx.. i am tired of all these government policies.. is time for them to wake up their minds on what sort of policy to makes.... and which type are suitable..Originally posted by LinYu:I agree. Although there is no guarantee that the opposition can do a better job, the present gahamen are defintely not doing enough or worse still blind to the suitation.
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Your concerns are indeed valid. Especially in Singapore's context. Males are liable for conscription, and should be entitled to some form of job protection by those who demanded they devote time to the nation's defence.Originally posted by geran76:i disagree with that.. i want to see some changes in the PAP attitude about singaporeans.. Sorry, PAP gov encourages singaporeans to have a identity of our owns.. But what u think, all our jobs are tken by foreigners workers and so forth.. Sorry, that is my view.. Personally, i am in australia.. I see that australia really have a identity of their own.. They r willingly to protect their own people by asking companies even foreign companies to employ australian citizens. But what is our government doing?? encouraging more foreigns workers to come into singapore.. Educating us.. is there any use at all?? what have the effect?? more people get higher post.. Any use?? lolx.. i am tired of all these government policies.. is time for them to wake up their minds on what sort of policy to makes.... and which type are suitable.. -
I don't think I was being extreme by comparing Singapore with other democratic countries. You continued to rave about your incoherent ancient war strategies without properly understanding what I've said. Or is it just the inability to?Originally posted by LinYu:I find that your post are rather impatient and extreme. In my view. if the opposition is of extreme ideology and value, then I rather no have them.
What's apparent, is that you are either trying to make a mockery of yourself or attempting to frustrate me with your lack of understanding for very simple things and your skewed image of democracy.
Your comments were not even remotely related to what I was talking about, not to mention how you keep comparing apples with oranges. You don't even know your facts well to start with - to the point I had to show you how it was possible for a democratic country to allow a level-playing field for everyone (George Bush versus Michael Moore). Something you said "we could only dream about". Apparently, as I've showed you, we are in reality and as for you.. you must have been in your dreams.
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haha Lin Yu,Originally posted by LinYu:I find that your post are rather impatient and extreme. In my view. if the opposition is of extreme ideology and value, then I rather no have them.
laughably, u seem just as extreme, only on the other side of the spectrum tt's all.
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Yes,i know the story,and i know what u meant.In reality,i also make a fool out of myself by being too kind to others.But now the problem is,the PAP leaders no need to be kind to the opposition party members,but at least,our election system has to be "transparent and justified".Originally posted by LinYu:I remember this story.
There was a gentlemen emperor who was at war with an invader with troops outnumbering theirs. When the enemy first arrived at the front, the emperor general suggested that they should attack the enemy. The benolevent emperor rejected the idea claiming this this is not gentleman manner.
When the enemy rested and then started to cross the river. The emperor general suggested that they should attack. The emperor rejected the idea claiming that a gentleman do not act thus.
After the enemy crossed the river, assemble their troops, the emperor told the general to launch the attack. The outcome of the war? The foolhardy emperor and his troops were crushed.
Moral of the story : To be kind to others is to be cruel to oneself.
The story above tells you that the emperor is a fool. Do you expect our gahmen to be that?. Nevertheless, a brave, wise and benolevent warrior will overcome all odds and win the war.
Today the PAP leaders feel like disqualified opposition members eligibility to sit for the election,they disqualified them.Tomorrow they feel like "tweaking" the election rules,they tweak it.Then i ask u,what the hell is our General Election" stand for,a "Barbie Girl Game"???? -
LinYu,do u know that how many dictators have played this type of unfair game n have a tragic end?Our election system has to be "transparent" first,if the PAP leaders thought that they could anyhow playing with their election game,then i am afraid they are playing with fire n will get themselves burn eventually,it is just a matter of time.Originally posted by LinYu:What I am saying is that if you think you can get a level playing field, then you must be dreaming. Which country (democratic) gives their opponent a level playing field. The story is meant to tell you that if he gives you a level playing field then he is being cruel to himself. This will not be expected throughout. As in Singapore, we have redraw boundary, GRC etc.
Like Sun Zi says: if you have a choice to fight, choose a place where you stands a higher chance of winning because in a war, there is no winner but you don't lose big time. -
One more thing i have to add,being a dictator also have to pay for the price.If u are lucky,u may escape from punishment by the public.But still,those ppl around u wont like u and u still have to be "tortured" when u are going to die.[]
If u are unlucky,hehe..........One word says it all,there is no free lunch in this world,if those PAP leaders want to go to the extreme,they will have to accept the high risk of getting themselves burn.(I suggest they go to the library to borrow some books about historical dictators' tragic ends,so as not to repeat themselves). -
Dear gorby,
I hope SGloyalist has answered your questions. I just want to add, WP organizes the activities with its own financial resources in Hougang. We don't get funds like RC and CC from PA (People's Association).
I am not sure but I think you must compare things in relative to OTHER PAP constituencies. As far as I know, the last time I check, some of our activities are CHEAPER than those organized by RCs in other PAP constituencies. Most likely the competition that WP provides in Hougang has forced RCs to reduce their prices and charges. This is the beauty of competition, so if you want better bargain for grassroot activities, vote in opposition parties!
This is true when you compare the number of activities and "goodies" residents get from BOTH sides to other PAP constituencies. Hougang is the ONLY place whereby there is really FREE BREAKFAST FROM PAP/RC for residents everyweek! Why? It is political competition at work!
As for why WP could not come up with more activities, I think it is chicken and egg thing. If residents do not come forward to offer their help, that's all we could do. BTW, we do have yoga class every Sunday, Free haircut for the old every month, periodice giving out of rice or food stuff to the needy, coordinating of Free bread from Food from the Hearts.... etc. We just need people to take charge. I think for a small political party to come up with all these activities and coordination, it is already a great miracle in Singapore's context!
In Chinese, we say, Si Liang Ba Qian Jing, meaning, using little efforts, we could achieve much more. How in Hougang? For every activities we organized, RCs and CCs under PAP's advisor's control, has to provide more competitive ones. For every one dollar we put in, they have to put in 10 dollars to prove they are better than us. We really do not mind as long as the residents benefit from it all!
This apply to Potong Pasir as well; where in Singapore could you get $2 sharkfin soup from PAP controlled RC or CC? (PAP controlled but funding is from PA, Singapore Government.... ie. Taxpayers' monies)
And SGLoyalist is right, TC does not organize the activities. WP, via our very own HGCC (Hougang Constituency committee) organized these activites. With limited resources, we try our best. But residents benefit GREATER than we provide because RCs and CC are "forced" to provide more and better services/activities.
Goh Meng SengOriginally posted by gorby107:Actually I am below 18 years old and in Sec 2 now. I actuall stay in HOUGANG SMC which is controlled by WP and the MP is Low Thia Kiang. I know what kind of activities you all organised as I will sometimes refer to your noticeboard. But one thing to question why Hougang CC or RC held more activities which I joined some of them as they are cheap than the WP or TC which only once in a blue moon held an activities??? -
Oh I see Thanks a lot. By the way the TC is under the MP controlled right??? I have noticed in Hougang that TC and the RC or CC had some rivarly or "cold war". Like eg happened a few months back RCzone5 want to organise barbecue party and to organise it in the park opp the TC(Blk 701) and go and apply from TC and they rejected why is this so??? Having this type of situation is bad and good for the residents as for the good the residents benefit from both of them. While the bad thing is the residents will surely get involved in this type of political situation and there would be mistrust and suspicious arouse in there which can be quite chaotic.Originally posted by goh meng seng:Dear gorby,
I hope SGloyalist has answered your questions. I just want to add, WP organizes the activities with its own financial resources in Hougang. We don't get funds like RC and CC from PA (People's Association).
I am not sure but I think you must compare things in relative to OTHER PAP constituencies. As far as I know, the last time I check, some of our activities are CHEAPER than those organized by RCs in other PAP constituencies. Most likely the competition that WP provides in Hougang has forced RCs to reduce their prices and charges. This is the beauty of competition, so if you want better bargain for grassroot activities, vote in opposition parties!
This is true when you compare the number of activities and "goodies" residents get from BOTH sides to other PAP constituencies. Hougang is the ONLY place whereby there is really FREE BREAKFAST FROM PAP/RC for residents everyweek! Why? It is political competition at work!
As for why WP could not come up with more activities, I think it is chicken and egg thing. If residents do not come forward to offer their help, that's all we could do. BTW, we do have yoga class every Sunday, Free haircut for the old every month, periodice giving out of rice or food stuff to the needy, coordinating of Free bread from Food from the Hearts.... etc. We just need people to take charge. I think for a small political party to come up with all these activities and coordination, it is already a great miracle in Singapore's context!
In Chinese, we say, Si Liang Ba Qian Jing, meaning, using little efforts, we could achieve much more. How in Hougang? For every activities we organized, RCs and CCs under PAP's advisor's control, has to provide more competitive ones. For every one dollar we put in, they have to put in 10 dollars to prove they are better than us. We really do not mind as long as the residents benefit from it all!
This apply to Potong Pasir as well; where in Singapore could you get $2 sharkfin soup from PAP controlled RC or CC? (PAP controlled but funding is from PA, Singapore Government.... ie. Taxpayers' monies)
And SGLoyalist is right, TC does not organize the activities. WP, via our very own HGCC (Hougang Constituency committee) organized these activites. With limited resources, we try our best. But residents benefit GREATER than we provide because RCs and CC are "forced" to provide more and better services/activities.
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Hi Mr. Goh,Originally posted by goh meng seng:This is true when you compare the number of activities and "goodies" residents get from BOTH sides to other PAP constituencies. Hougang is the ONLY place whereby there is really FREE BREAKFAST FROM PAP/RC for residents everyweek! Why? It is political competition at work!
Wonder where in Hougang does the PAP give out the free breakfast?
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Dear Gorby,
Personally, I do not know the workings of the Hougang TC and we have put your query to Mr. Low.
As far as I know, that piece of land does not come under Hougang TC management. PAP Eric Low's RC/CC has put up a long column of flags and his banner with his face up there. If this is so, I don't think even if that piece of land is under Hougang TC's management, it could approve such prominent display, it would not approve a barbecue. Well, we are asking the Hougang TC to staff to check on this matter.
And as far as I know, Hougang TC has not reject any reasonable request from those RCs to put up tentages for their functions. If we try to request to put up tentage in Aljunied GRC, do you think the Town Council there will approve?
Goh Meng SengOriginally posted by gorby107:Oh I see Thanks a lot. By the way the TC is under the MP controlled right??? I have noticed in Hougang that TC and the RC or CC had some rivarly or "cold war". Like eg happened a few months back RCzone5 want to organise barbecue party and to organise it in the park opp the TC(Blk 701) and go and apply from TC and they rejected why is this so??? Having this type of situation is bad and good for the residents as for the good the residents benefit from both of them. While the bad thing is the residents will surely get involved in this type of political situation and there would be mistrust and suspicious arouse in there which can be quite chaotic. -
There is free breakfast at Hougang Zone 1 in Blk 4 along Hougang Ave 3/7 served every friday morning and must go there around 6+am or else it would be out of stock. While at Hougang Zone 5 in Blk 705 Hougang Ave 2 free breakfast will be served every first friday of the month and also must go earily and while stock last!!!! But note that if a PH fall on that day there would be no free breakfast given out. The free breakfast meal at Hougang Zone 5 consists of eggs, toast and coffee/tea/milo and you can eat at there. While at Hougang Zone 1 the breakfast is almost same as Zone 5 one but it is takeaway one and think is given out by Mr Eric Low if I am not wrong.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Hi Mr. Goh,
Wonder where in Hougang does the PAP give out the free breakfast?
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Thank you very much but I hope I won't be involved in this matter as I just suggested it or else I will be in big trouble.........Originally posted by goh meng seng:Dear Gorby,
Personally, I do not know the workings of the Hougang TC and we have put your query to Mr. Low.
As far as I know, that piece of land does not come under Hougang TC management. PAP Eric Low's RC/CC has put up a long column of flags and his banner with his face up there. If this is so, I don't think even if that piece of land is under Hougang TC's management, it could approve such prominent display, it would not approve a barbecue. Well, we are asking the Hougang TC to staff to check on this matter.
And as far as I know, Hougang TC has not reject any reasonable request from those RCs to put up tentages for their functions. If we try to request to put up tentage in Aljunied GRC, do you think the Town Council there will approve?
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Who normally take the free breakfast? Are there many very poor residents in Hougang?Originally posted by gorby107:There is free breakfast at Hougang Zone 1 in Blk 4 along Hougang Ave 3/7 served every friday morning and must go there around 6+am or else it would be out of stock. While at Hougang Zone 5 in Blk 705 Hougang Ave 2 free breakfast will be served every first friday of the month and also must go earily and while stock last!!!! But note that if a PH fall on that day there would be no free breakfast given out. The free breakfast meal at Hougang Zone 5 consists of eggs, toast and coffee/tea/milo and you can eat at there. While at Hougang Zone 1 the breakfast is almost same as Zone 5 one but it is takeaway one and think is given out by Mr Eric Low if I am not wrong.
Also wonder who is funding these free breakfast? Tax payer's money?