“we cried… my father lying there foaming and having seizures
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It's sad.. definitely. I experienced it before.. also at SGH.
The staff are so used to all these.. maybe they work for the sake of working and not having a passion and may not even be compassionate enough to think for others. Juz bcos the one lying there is not their loved one, they dun feel the pain at all. -
It makes me laugh when thay have to eat their words.Originally posted by SevenEleven:Part of the speech
"In Singapore, within half-an-hour, you would be in SGH (Singapore General Hospital), TTSH (Tan Tock Seng Hospital) ... and within one-and-a-half to two hours flat, you'd know what went wrong." -
Quality of services comes with $$$ you are willing to part with.... government hospitals are like this.. i believe it'll be quite different at private hospitals... there was once i wasn't feeling well.. my dad sent me to East Shore Hospital and just in 5 mins... the doctor attended to me.....
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I can see wat u trying to get across Bear about theOriginally posted by the Bear:about the UK.. just asking... what is the income tax rate there?
difference in income tax but seriously, looking at
the base tax rate is not comparing apple to apple.
SG has one of the highest (if not the absolute highest)
'indirect' tax charges in the world.
Many places they pay you if you give birth, you
claim for all other related expenses (like baby stuff) and
edu n health is free.. so in short, cost of general living is
much lower.
But anyway, every system has it's + n -..
But seriously, everybody talks about the low tax rate.
not many talk about the indirect taxes ..
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yeah.. i know.. but if i don't use it, i don't get "taxed"...
but on the other side of the pond, i get taxed no matter what
oh well.. i've said it to many others.. we lose a lot of problems we have here.. for the advantages of the other side.. but then, we also pick up a lot of problems the other side and lose whatever advantages we have here
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maybe it's because they have fewer patients to attend to who can afford their consultationOriginally posted by silv3rgal:Quality of services comes with $$$ you are willing to part with.... government hospitals are like this.. i believe it'll be quite different at private hospitals... there was once i wasn't feeling well.. my dad sent me to East Shore Hospital and just in 5 mins... the doctor attended to me.....
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agreed, all advantage is erroded away..Originally posted by the Bear:yeah.. i know.. but if i don't use it, i don't get "taxed"...
but on the other side of the pond, i get taxed no matter what
oh well.. i've said it to many others.. we lose a lot of problems we have here.. for the advantages of the other side.. but then, we also pick up a lot of problems the other side and lose whatever advantages we have here
alcohol tax..omg..let's not start..
(but dats an 'extra' as correctly pointed out)
anyway..I lost a loved one due to the adminstrative
red-tape at a SG govt hospital so I can share the thred
starter's frustration at the health system..and the frustration
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dp.
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I have this to say about such a sad case; it is red-tape, internal politics, and policy preservationism, that kills a critically ill patient.
Personally, I've observed that all government bodies in Singapore, are only all too proficient and keen in protecting the integrity of their set policies, rules, and regulations. While your needs, are least and last in their list of priorities in their sole function/s.
Seemingly, each encounter with either HDB, CPF, SGH, or whatever other abbreviated government organizations, their interests is so apparently obvious; unbending adherence to their set policies, rules, and regulations regardless of your predicament.
So I say, even a hospital is supposed to help save lives and heal the sick, their ultimate duty appears to be upholding their policies, rules, and regulations. Saving lives, comes last.
There can only be a difference if you are wealthy, and can afford to go to a private upper class hospital, wherein, their policies, rules, and regulations, are last in their attention, and life preservation is first in their list of priorities. Therefore, Singapore, is a country where the rich can survive better, while the lower income groups and teh poor, are subjected to such lacklustre healthcare.
And should the writer of this article manages a response from SGH or MOH, the common statement will always be; this is an isolated incident. It shouldn't have happened but it did, lets move on....
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it wouldn't be right for non-drinkers to pay for someone elses' daily booze.Originally posted by LeftBallBigger:agreed, all advantage is erroded away..
alcohol tax..omg..let's not start..
(but dats an 'extra' as correctly pointed out)
anyway..I lost a loved one due to the adminstrative
red-tape at a SG govt hospital so I can share the thred
starter's frustration at the health system..and the frustration
is compounded by the fantastic health charges in SG.
on the other hand, GLC CEOs should not be underground beneficiaries of funds collected under the facade of tax or any other misrepresented moral obligation -
awwww !!! this is so sad... i cant imagine if the person lying there waiting for treatment is my dad, how i'd react to the waiting... is really heart wretching to hear such things..
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Why are we surprised? Remember this policy from Ministry of Finance last September?
"Under guidelines which came into effect in July, ministries and statutory boards must reduce their headcounts by three percent in the current fiscal year to March 2005 and by the same margin for the following two financial years, it said in a statement.
Failure to meet the guidelines will result in a headcount surcharge of S$10,000 (US$5882) for each employee above the authorised limit."
On top of that, we now have 5 working days, longer maternity leave (which really affects nurses since most of them are young and female) and expanded service into 'aesthetic medicine' (cosmetic surgery and the like) to earn the foreign buck.
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And that's because they charge up to three times as much..Originally posted by boy in blues:maybe it's because they have fewer patients to attend to who can afford their consultation
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I think if they free up the beds in the army camps, there won't be a shortage.
In fact, medical bills will be cheaper.
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Actually, what is SGH's A&E (Accident & Emergency) for??? What kind of clowns do they hire as admin staffs, who make a stroke patient wait 6 God damn hours??? Might as well call it A&W (Accident & Wait).
What kind of hospital has not enough beds??? After all the millions of dollars spent in making Singapore number one or a Medical Hub of sorts? Was it because the patient is poor?
This execuse of not enough or no bed is SO SO LAME! What's next? No doctors? How about no brains and no hearts?
So what if someone comes in bleeding profusely with a cut? Make him/her wait some few hours for a bed and attention? He/she will friggin bleed to death!!!
God damn stupid lamer execuse. If this happens in USA, the friggin hospital will be sued left right center!!
If my parent suffers a stroke and the A&E staff tells me to wait, I will bluddy call the Police. Friggin brainless admin staffers of SGH!!!!
Don't they know or aren't they educated enough to bluddy know that a stroke patient CAN'T WAIT!?!?!?!?
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soooo.. even those places which are pathetically understaffed must reduce?
hmmm... sounds like the touch of a ivory-tower dweller con-man-sultant..Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Why are we surprised? Remember this policy from Ministry of Finance last September?
"Under guidelines which came into effect in July, ministries and statutory boards must reduce their headcounts by three percent in the current fiscal year to March 2005 and by the same margin for the following two financial years, it said in a statement.
Failure to meet the guidelines will result in a headcount surcharge of S$10,000 (US$5882) for each employee above the authorised limit."
On top of that, we now have 5 working days, longer maternity leave (which really affects nurses since most of them are young and female) and expanded service into 'aesthetic medicine' (cosmetic surgery and the like) to earn the foreign buck.
You can only push your staff so far...increased demand but reduced staff at any one time...what do you expect the hospital staff to do? -
How about making girls serve NS? They can always be deployed in the hospitals to alleviate staff shortage.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Why are we surprised? Remember this policy from Ministry of Finance last September?
"Under guidelines which came into effect in July, ministries and statutory boards must reduce their headcounts by three percent in the current fiscal year to March 2005 and by the same margin for the following two financial years, it said in a statement.
Failure to meet the guidelines will result in a headcount surcharge of S$10,000 (US$5882) for each employee above the authorised limit."
On top of that, we now have 5 working days, longer maternity leave (which really affects nurses since most of them are young and female) and expanded service into 'aesthetic medicine' (cosmetic surgery and the like) to earn the foreign buck.
You can only push your staff so far...increased demand but reduced staff at any one time...what do you expect the hospital staff to do? -
thats something i could never understand ALL department/ministries must cut staff head count........... it either means there are some problems which led to extra jobs and i guess some one should be made accountable or that its just some policy they inplemented for fun.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Why are we surprised? Remember this policy from Ministry of Finance last September?
"Under guidelines which came into effect in July, ministries and statutory boards must reduce their headcounts by three percent in the current fiscal year to March 2005 and by the same margin for the following two financial years, it said in a statement.
Failure to meet the guidelines will result in a headcount surcharge of S$10,000 (US$5882) for each employee above the authorised limit."
On top of that, we now have 5 working days, longer maternity leave (which really affects nurses since most of them are young and female) and expanded service into 'aesthetic medicine' (cosmetic surgery and the like) to earn the foreign buck.
You can only push your staff so far...increased demand but reduced staff at any one time...what do you expect the hospital staff to do?
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word from the inside is that some departments were set up on a whim... some were set up as "turf guarding" exercises... and some were set up as projects for no reason other than to pad the boss's CV
while some totally understaffed departments were not given more manpower because the egomaniacal boss there wants to show that "he" can do the job with lower than necessary manpower, driving his minions like the proverbial government mule...
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no wonder few locals wanna be a nurse...Originally posted by the Bear:word from the inside is that some departments were set up on a whim... some were set up as "turf guarding" exercises... and some were set up as projects for no reason other than to pad the boss's CV
while some totally understaffed departments were not given more manpower because the egomaniacal boss there wants to show that "he" can do the job with lower than necessary manpower, driving his minions like the proverbial government mule...
i think it's the same everywhere right? -
cool down dude!Originally posted by ShutterBug:Actually, what is SGH's A&E (Accident & Emergency) for??? What kind of clowns do they hire as admin staffs, who make a stroke patient wait 6 God damn hours??? Might as well call it A&W (Accident & Wait).
As the Bear and some fellow forumites have mentioned above, it is not really the fault of the people at the bottom,ie the admin staff, junior nurses and doctors. I have been to the A&E department of a gov hospital and the staff there are working hard and not loboing. If you want to blame, blame the con-man-sultant and the high ranking gov scholars. -
We oughta kick this sort of so called "high-standing government scholars" off of their high chairs and replace them with real people, with real hearts, who can do real work!
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once again...it boils down to upper management and their fat pay pockets. Driven by greed, ruined by greed.
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point: remember Lim Hng Kiang and his "hair salon" gaffe...
i would say Khaw is much better.. give him time to figure things out.. hopefully, Khaw would fix things... he seems a lot more human and with his feet firmly on the ground... -
If I'm not wrong, he needed Dr Lily Neo to clean up the mess.Originally posted by the Bear:point: remember Lim Hng Kiang and his "hair salon" gaffe...