Is 7M PEOPLE -right strategy 4 S'pore??
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If this ever happens u are going to see problems. overcrowding, transport congestion, social problems, racial intolerance
How are they going to solve these problems when they have problems with the current 3-4 million people?
This infact is sheer madness.But SG is too small for 3-4M already, and we all know this.Once you reach the point of saturation, people will start leaping off HDB like lemmings. And prepare to encounter congestion even in your HDB lifts when u are going for work early in the morning. Again another congestin takign the ransport and yey another at lunchtime. apart from this with the limited hospitals, u are going to wait a whole day to see a doctor. -
Time to be a doctor then... heh.
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too small? i see lots of empty plots of undeveloped land.
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As with the concept of underground shopping malls around the world, SG can develop underground living space for the subsequent 3-4 million projected inhabitants.
The other alternative would be to reclaim land...southwards if possible to avoid another debacle with our northern neighbours.
We are already in the process of maximising high-rise apartments, going underground is simply the next logical step. -
We're ALREADY grossly overcrowded now. 7 million? Good luck to all of us. To get that number more than half will have to be foreigners The irony is that the more overcrowded we get, the less willling people are to reproduce. Hence the need for overseas imports to maintain the numbers.
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For those who had visited Suntec for the pass few days will know. What is crowded man!!!! 7Million.... Ha...
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I think the 1st problem will be the traffic jam will get worst..
i just don't like this idea haha -
Before proceeding on, we should ask ourselves few questions:
Where is the job market for 7millions?
What type of people are we trying to get into Sg to fill up the balance 3-4mil?
How do we intregate these "new Singaporeans" into our society?
The Sg would definitely become a more crowded place, but these problems could be solved by using $$$ and creative space usage / planning. -
we will not reach 7M in population in the first place, cos many of them will start to move out of singapore,,,
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S'pore will have the image of an overcrowded country and that will deter foreigners to come here.
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hope got more chiobus
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Actually many of the expats here already feel we're too small and overcrowded. They just decide to tahan for the time being.Originally posted by Love Story:S'pore will have the image of an overcrowded country and that will deter foreigners to come here.
Perhaps in 20 years time we'd have been relegated to third world status with overcrowded streets full of well educated beggars that will beg tourists and expats for handouts. -
Do you even understand the definition of "overpopulation"?
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having stayed here in the US over 10 years, i know how people think.S'pore is not a place for whites.Originally posted by av98m:Actually many of the expats here already feel we're too small and overcrowded. They just decide to tahan for the time being.
Perhaps in 20 years time we'd have been relegated to third world status with overcrowded streets full of well educated beggars that will beg tourists and expats for handouts. -
Where is the job market for 7millions?Originally posted by archon1234:Before proceeding on, we should ask ourselves few questions:
Where is the job market for 7millions?
What type of people are we trying to get into Sg to fill up the balance 3-4mil?
How do we intregate these "new Singaporeans" into our society?
The Sg would definitely become a more crowded place, but these problems could be solved by using $$$ and creative space usage / planning.
Ans: Even now there arent sufficient jobs
What type of people are we trying to get into Sg to fill up the balance 3-4mil?
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eople who are not used to the govt here
How do we intregate these "new Singaporeans" into our society?
Ans: U cant. Try stepping into a black neighbourhood n the US and u will know
why. S'pore polise force is going to have a headache.
The Sg would definitely become a more crowded place, but these problems could be solved by using $$$ and creative space usage / planning.
Ans: There's only a limit to how much u can do wth $$$. Besideds certain things cant be solved by $$$ -
That are SAF training areas.Originally posted by vito_corleone:too small? i see lots of empty plots of undeveloped land. -
And frm the point of view from the implementation level, given the govt track record in the recent FT policy, i foresee another failure and more problems
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How far can u go? Given , the various tunneling of the MRT under the island and more will shake the foundation.Originally posted by BillyBong:As with the concept of underground shopping malls around the world, SG can develop underground living space for the subsequent 3-4 million projected inhabitants.
The other alternative would be to reclaim land...southwards if possible to avoid another debacle with our northern neighbours.
We are already in the process of maximising high-rise apartments, going underground is simply the next logical step.
And u need more life support systems in place which = cost -
many of us will also move out... firstOriginally posted by sgboy2004:we will not reach 7M in population in the first place, cos many of them will start to move out of singapore,,,
my income tax is going to pay for the FT
locals do NS to save FT butts
FT get rich .. locals get screwed
FT screw up... locals clean up
feels like living in a hotel and we are the maids. -
I believe the 7 Mil figure.. or rather.. the 5Mil figure.. is a long term master planning assumption for govt agencies to size their respective infrastructure.
For example.. there must be sufficient residential land safeguarded to handle that number, or the water treatment plants need to support that figure.
I have not read anything that suggests that the govt or the economy needs 5 or 7Mil ppl to survive. Or is there such an official statement made that I am not aware of? -
to reach the population density of macau...
singapore needs a population of 13 million.
to reach the population density of paris...
singapore needs a population of 20 million.
to reach the population density of mumbai...
singapore needs a population of 30+ million.
if singapore possess a population of 7 million... that's the current population density of new york, taipei, dehli and moscow.
singapore current population density is 6,389/km2
jakarta, indonesia is 13,526/km2
nakano,tokyo is 20,098/km2
mahattan,new york is 25,849/km2
daan,taipei is 27,546/km2
kwun tong,hongkong is 55,000/km2
kowloon walled city, hongkong is 1,900,000/km2 (gotta be an error... oh can it be true?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_selected_cities_by_population_density -
The Triads' rule lasted up until the mid-1970s, when a 1973-1974 series of over 3,000 police raids occurred in Kowloon Walled City. With the Triads' power diminished, a strange sort of synergy blossomed, and the Walled City began to grow almost organically. Square buildings folded up into one another as thousands of modifications were made, virtually none by architects or engineers, until hundreds of square metres were simply a kind of patchwork monolith. Labyrinthine corridors ran through the monolith, some of those being former streets (at the ground level, and often clogged up with trash), and some of those running through upper floors, practically between buildings. The only rules of construction were twofold: electricity had to be provided to avoid fire, and the buildings could be no more than about fourteen storeys high (because of the nearby airport). A mere eight municipal pipes somehow provided water to the entire structure (although more could have come from wells). By the early 1980s, Kowloon Walled City had an estimated population of 35,000 - with a crime rate far below the Hong Kong average, despite the notable lack of any real law enforcement.
Over time, both the British and the Chinese governments found this massive, anarchic city to be a bit too much - despite the low crime. If the 'Black Market' ever had a physical location, this would have been it. Needless to say, the sanitary conditions were, well, a bit wanting.
After the Joint Declaration in 1984, China allowed British authorities to demolish the City and resettle its inhabitants. The mutual decision to tear down the walled city was made in 1987.
At that time, it had 50,000 inhabitants on 0.026 km², and therefore a very high population density of 1,900,000 / km². It was allegedly the most densely populated spot on Earth.
that's equivalent to 2.2billion people in singapore!!
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I think the whole idea behind 7m (and more later on) is to raise consumption and prices. The higher the consumption (and prices), the more taxes are collected. For e.g. 1% rise in GST brings in $1 billion based on current population, consumption and price figures.
If they don't bring in foreign blood but keep population growth stagnant, fresh local blood aren't replacing the old blood fast enough and falling consumption and prices is bad for gahment coffers.
And it won't stop at 7m. It'll head toward 10m, etc. -
Money, money, money.Originally posted by macjoe:I think the whole idea behind 7m (and more later on) is to raise consumption and prices. The higher the consumption (and prices), the more taxes are collected. For e.g. 1% rise in GST brings in $1 billion based on current population, consumption and price figures.
If they don't bring in foreign blood but keep population growth stagnant, fresh local blood aren't replacing the old blood fast enough and falling consumption and prices is bad for gahment coffers.
And it won't stop at 7m. It'll head toward 10m, etc.
It's a rich man's world. -
imagine HDB flats soring up to 60 storysss...woah