Bus, taxi fare cheats could end up in jail
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Like I said before, they only make the millions because of tax writebacks., as in the case of SMRT. WIthout the tax writebacks, they would probably be in the red.Originally posted by BillyBong:There is a difference between condemning a company and condemning its employees.
SBS transit and SMRT are making millions. They DECLARED it in their annual earnings report. Their top brass undoubtedly receives profit sharing bonuses.
We should not confuse low pay with the cheating cost loss in revenue. Ultimately, a quick glance at the profit margin will show that it has a marginal (almost negligible) impact on the earnings.
The focus of these companies should not be to legislate to solve their problems, but instead to implement problem solving solutions.
Crying to the govt will not succeed if one was a 100% privatised firm.
The cheatings done by commuters has an indirect effect on the wages of the employees in the company as revenue and profit is affected. And 9 million SGD is not a negligible impact. 9 million SGD could result in higher wages for the employees and perhaps, slightly higher dividend payout.
Appealing to the government for help is probably a very good solution to the problem. Legislation is very effective in Singapore. This solution is also cost effective. The company does not need to incur extra charges and effectively roots out a problem which have been plaguing them for the past decade. -
wat tax writeback wat talking you.Originally posted by shade343:The Bus companies only earn millions because of tax writebacks...and the millions they earn is probably insignificant when compared to other transport companies in other countries. So regaining the 9million lost is quite justified. -
shade, tax writeback is 1 time off only...
You can forget abt feeding on them
But yes, SMRT FY2004 was heavily relied on the tax writeback, 46% of profit came from there -
People who cheat bus companies on fares = Jail...
What about bus companies who "cheat" commuters of their time?
Especially during peak hours, some buses can be so packed that commuters cannot even board them. And very often the waiting time stated on bus-stops are not accurate.
And when that happens, a "sorry for the inconvenience" is all they can say?
So, we're sorry for the inconvenience of you having to lose $9m a year from fare cheats too!!!
Welcome to the land of double standards!! -
It cannot be accurate, because of cars trying to use the bus lane and clogging itOriginally posted by loosefuse:People who cheat bus companies on fares = Jail...
What about bus companies who "cheat" commuters of their time?
Especially during peak hours, some buses can be so packed that commuters cannot even board them. And very often the waiting time stated on bus-stops are not accurate.
And when that happens, a "sorry for the inconvenience" is all they can say?
So, we're sorry for the inconvenience of you having to lose $9m a year from fare cheats too!!!
Welcome to the land of double standards!!
Overloaded? Sometimes ppl dun wanna move in, delaying the bus...
Except some svs are really overloaded, but bus co mai chap one -
Ya, precisely. They don't chap, so why should we chap?Originally posted by sbst275:It cannot be accurate, because of cars trying to use the bus lane and clogging it
Overloaded? Sometimes ppl dun wanna move in, delaying the bus...
Except some svs are really overloaded, but bus co mai chap one
They want consumers to pay more, but my point is, have they offered the sort of service that would render them deserving of more? -
Nonono...Originally posted by loosefuse:Ya, precisely. They don't chap, so why should we chap?
They want consumers to pay more, but my point is, have they offered the sort of service that would render them deserving of more?
Those that ppl dun wanna move it, get those selfish ppl to move in... Anyway, bus delayed, their time wasted right?
Those buses overloaded and they dun wanna chap are those that uses non aircon buses... Any complain come, can't be bothered because NAC bus mah, they think bo lang one...
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my dad is a taxi driver. he's been cheated by a passenger a couple of times. the passengers just run away when the taxi stops.
just last week, my dad picked up a couple frm mohd sultan to ang mo kio. presumably, the guy was walking the gf up to her flat. so he told my dad to stay. he gave my dad $10 as a deposit. but my dad fierce, "dont give me ur $10. i believe you that you will come back." and the guy came back and told my dad, "jurong". wahhh shiok ahh.. mohd sultan - ang mo kio - jurong. do your own maths. midnight surcharge hor. -
The reason for their bochap-ness lies behind their monopoly of the transport industry.Originally posted by sbst275:Nonono...
Those that ppl dun wanna move it, get those selfish ppl to move in... Anyway, bus delayed, their time wasted right?
Those buses overloaded and they dun wanna chap are those that uses non aircon buses... Any complain come, can't be bothered because NAC bus mah, they think bo lang one...
I don't think buses packed like sardine cans is the definition of good service and certainly not, a reason for us to pay more. Yet they raise the bus prices year after year. If they can forcingly "cheat" commuters like that, can't we do the same? -
NopeOriginally posted by loosefuse:The reason for their bochap-ness lies behind their monopoly of the transport industry.
I don't think buses packed like sardine cans is the definition of good service and certainly not, a reason for us to pay more. Yet they raise the bus prices year after year. If they can forcingly "cheat" commuters like that, can't we do the same?
The aircon buses aft counting, there is no overloading, because ppl dun wanna move in. It take 2 hands to make a clap... Monopoly? Those days pre-SBS era was worst, buses duplicate each other clogging up the roads
Well, you can go take a look at non aircon buses during peak hrs, they are the worst ever seem -
Raising bus prices as and when they like because they are the SOLE bus service providers in town. Bochap-ness whether buses are overcrowded or not because like it or not, we have to get on board anyway.Originally posted by sbst275:Nope
The aircon buses aft counting, there is no overloading, because ppl dun wanna move in. It take 2 hands to make a clap... Monopoly? Those days pre-SBS era was worst, buses duplicate each other clogging up the roads
Well, you can go take a look at non aircon buses during peak hrs, they are the worst ever seem
Not monopoly? Give me a better word.. Tyranny?
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Well, sometimes breaking the monopoly does not helpOriginally posted by loosefuse:Raising bus prices as and when they like because they are the SOLE bus service providers in town. Bochap-ness whether buses are overcrowded or not because like it or not, we have to get on board anyway.
Not monopoly? Give me a better word.. Tyranny?
Those problematic bus svs are those runs Ind Est... Not really profitable overall one... Compeition, any other operator wanna take? -
But don't you agree that sometimes it does help?Originally posted by sbst275:Well, sometimes breaking the monopoly does not help
Those problematic bus svs are those runs Ind Est... Not really profitable overall one... Compeition, any other operator wanna take?
Encouraging us to take public transport, but don't you think there needs to be a motivating factor? -
It does notOriginally posted by loosefuse:But don't you agree that sometimes it does help?
If you open up, the pte operators only wanna take the profitable ones...
Then the places like Ind Est, maybe frequency like 30 mins
Because they dun buy the idea of profitable rt sub non profitable rt. They wanna see that all rt make $$ -
SMRT driver nearly go on strike 3 yrs ago because management refuse to pay additional 3% as promise. management is fark up take home pay is millions but refuse to give workers peanutsOriginally posted by shade343:I noticed that most of the replies in the thread are gravitiated towards unfairness towards the passenger. But what about the Bus company? What about the Bus Drivers? Did you not spare a thought for them? They have families to feed and parents to support. If the company would incur a loss of 8-9 million because of cheating passengers, this would mean that employees of the company would be losing out on their bonuses and salary.
So please think of the bus drivers as well. -
There needs to be a moltivating factor
But, are they doing it?
Buses need to pay ERP, 40% premium road tax vs cars, no diesel rebate, nothing. Govt just heck care
It is all just comes to $$ -
monk, forget it, shade only thinks SMRT is creative in making savings... But the savings have made their bus co profit to plunge 60%Originally posted by crazy monkey:SMRT driver nearly go on strike 3 yrs ago because management refuse to pay additional 3% as promise. management is fark up take home pay is millions but refuse to give workers peanuts -
Some other countries give their bus drivers higher salaries and commuters pay a flat rate no matter how many buses they have to switch to get to their destination, and yet they can make money.Originally posted by sbst275:It does not
If you open up, the pte operators only wanna take the profitable ones...
Then the places like Ind Est, maybe frequency like 30 mins
Because they dun buy the idea of profitable rt sub non profitable rt. They wanna see that all rt make $$
Bus companies here charge commuters every time they hop onto a bus, their drivers aren't paid that much, with all that advertising going on in buses, and they aren't making any money?
You really got bought into their bullsh*t? -
Nope...Originally posted by loosefuse:Some other countries give their bus drivers higher salaries and commuters pay a flat rate no matter how many buses they have to switch to get to their destination, and yet they can make money.
Bus companies here charge commuters every time they hop onto a bus, their drivers aren't paid that much, with all that advertising going on in buses, and they aren't making any money?
You really got bought into their bullsh*t?
The issue comes to this, the cost and everything is by right set by the govt, the road tax and ERP or sort...
It cost $1200 a year for a bus's road tax vs a car's $800+. In Malaysia, a public bus road tax is RM30 a yr vs car's RM300 a year
You have to see which country you are talking abt, in Aust and UK, the govt pay the bus co to run the sv... The govt collects all of their revenue -
ya lor bus co make millions and millions still want to increase fare price neber hear before.Originally posted by loosefuse:Some other countries give their bus drivers higher salaries and commuters pay a flat rate no matter how many buses they have to switch to get to their destination, and yet they can make money.
Bus companies here charge commuters every time they hop onto a bus, their drivers aren't paid that much, with all that advertising going on in buses, and they aren't making any money?
You really got bought into their bullsh*t? -
As for wages, it all comes to this...
How much you wanna be paid, it is equal to the price you get for your goods... -
Without the taxwrite back, SMRT would be in the red.Originally posted by sbst275:shade, tax writeback is 1 time off only...
You can forget abt feeding on them
But yes, SMRT FY2004 was heavily relied on the tax writeback, 46% of profit came from there -
Heh heh, now we're talking.Originally posted by sbst275:There needs to be a moltivating factor
But, are they doing it?
Buses need to pay ERP, 40% premium road tax vs cars, no diesel rebate, nothing. Govt just heck care
It is all just comes to $$
It's just like "Yeah go do it, I support you" but "If you need financial support, please don't look for me".
Welcome to the country of double-standards. -
So, it is just bus co prob? Even Supermarket, NTUC say earn $99M (2x of SBS) and still say not enough and wanna increase Linkcard fee by $12 a yrOriginally posted by crazy monkey:ya lor bus co make millions and millions still want to increase fare price neber hear before. -
They are also quite creative by creating more leasable space.Originally posted by sbst275:monk, forget it, shade only thinks SMRT is creative in making savings... But the savings have made their bus co profit to plunge 60%