Send Ram Tiwary back to Singapore to hang
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SYDNEY : Singaporean student Ram Tiwary will stand trial for the September 2003 murder of his two flatmates in Sydney.
The trial is expected to take place next year.
A Sydney court reached this decision after a nine-day preliminary hearing.
Twenty-eight-year-old Tiwary is accused of bludgeoning to death his Singaporean flatmates, 27-year-old Tan Poh Chuan and 26 year-old Tay Chow Lyang, in the flat they shared near the University of New South Wales.
On the final day, the court heard that Tiwary had fallen behind on his rent and was doing badly in school.
He had even passed off his girlfriend's university results as his own to the Singapore Armed Forces, for whom he worked.
The prosecutor also reminded the court that Tiwary had lied about his whereabouts on the day of the killings, telling his father he did not live at the flat in question, telling his friends that he had been out, and telling police that he had been sleeping.
The defence countered that the case against Tiwary was based largely on speculation, including rumours that the Singapore student had an argument with his flatmates over his delay in paying his share of the rent.
Tiwary's lawyer claims the student had access to his father's Diners Card, from which he could draw money.
Also many people had access to the flat -- there were at least 19 sets of unidentified finger prints found at the murder scene.
The Crown prosecutor John Cline argued that the evidence strongly suggested that Tiwary was the only person with the intent and inclination to kill his flatmates.
Tiwary's lawyer Chris Hogg, meanwhile, dismissed claims that Tiwary had taken a shower after the killings in order to remove blood from his body.
No trace of blood was found on any of the towels in the house. -
The murder in Oz rite? Therefore he has to be sentenced in Oz wad.
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ya .. and get away with murderOriginally posted by laurence82:The murder in Oz rite? Therefore he has to be sentenced in Oz wad.
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The article didnt say that the courts acquited him.Originally posted by crazy monkey:ya .. and get away with murder -
even if he's guilty he will serve a few years and walk away free after that.Originally posted by laurence82:The article didnt say that the courts acquited him. -
You just want him to be hung issit? In anyway, Singapore dont have jurisdiction over crimes committed in Australia..so..bo pian..Originally posted by crazy monkey:even if he's guilty he will serve a few years and walk away free after that. -
Hanging Tiwary, will be short changing.
Because it's one life, for two. -
*Sigh* We are right back here with the noose-fanatics again! Hanging is NEVER a right solution because the Death Penalty is blatantly immoral. Besides, would hanging Ram Tiwary actually assauge the pain his flatmates' parents feel over the death of their children? Singaporeans, please grow up! (I have already grown up in this aspect, and so has Australia)
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if i am the flatmate parent i dun want to hang him. i want to bash him to death. its easy to say when you dun feel the pain.Originally posted by pikamaster:*Sigh* We are right back here with the noose-fanatics again! Hanging is NEVER a right solution because the Death Penalty is blatantly immoral. Besides, would hanging Ram Tiwary actually assauge the pain his flatmates' parents feel over the death of their children? Singaporeans, please grow up! (I have already grown up in this aspect, and so has Australia) -
If I were the flatmate parents' I would not want more blood shed, no matter how enticing the "justice" might be.
Life imprisonment nothing less. -
Why is it "blatantly immoral"? On whose watch?Originally posted by pikamaster:*Sigh* We are right back here with the noose-fanatics again! Hanging is NEVER a right solution because the Death Penalty is blatantly immoral. Besides, would hanging Ram Tiwary actually assauge the pain his flatmates' parents feel over the death of their children? Singaporeans, please grow up! (I have already grown up in this aspect, and so has Australia) -
so what do you suggest?Originally posted by pikamaster:*Sigh* We are right back here with the noose-fanatics again! Hanging is NEVER a right solution because the Death Penalty is blatantly immoral. Besides, would hanging Ram Tiwary actually assauge the pain his flatmates' parents feel over the death of their children? Singaporeans, please grow up! (I have already grown up in this aspect, and so has Australia)
people who killed once wont hesitate to do it again if all they get is a few years in jail.
the death sentence is a deterrent, not revenge. -
We just have to respect the law in the country of incident
Just like Fay kena caned, by right, they can't intervene us -
And they would start claiming that their criminals should be sent back to theirs..
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Let me tell you a story about the prince and his country. (I've been telling the same story to many people... who challenged the hanging rule)Originally posted by pikamaster:*Sigh* We are right back here with the noose-fanatics again! Hanging is NEVER a right solution because the Death Penalty is blatantly immoral. Besides, would hanging Ram Tiwary actually assauge the pain his flatmates' parents feel over the death of their children? Singaporeans, please grow up! (I have already grown up in this aspect, and so has Australia)
Long long time ago in this nation called Xapore. King Harry Lee Can Yield( ) was getting old of age and decided to step down. His son, Barry Lee Xian Loon ( ) was the crown prince.
So the advisors told Barry Lee that if he wants to win the favour of his people, he should get rid of the death penalty. So when Barry Lee took over King Harry, he abolished the death penalty and fixed jail terms for murderers at seven years. As such, murder rate increased.
Seven years later, pikamonster, a murderer, was released and he went on a rampage, killing Harry Lee, and several important head of the state.
Barry Lee, noticing that the change in the law did not stop pikamonster from killing, decided to re-implement the death penalty. However, he had to give notice to his country and thus pikamonster was again sentenced to another seven years.
Seven years later, pikamonster killed Barry Lee.
Now for part II.
In country XYZ, there was never any death penalty. And all murderers were being jailed indefinitely.
One day the new prime minister took over and decided that criminals that served 20 years and showed good conduct to be released.
I don't need to repeat that how the murderers got loose again and committed crimes again. -
Moral of the story : we must hang those sentence to life imprisonment as well
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If hanging Ram Tiwary can actually assuage the pain his flatmates' parents feel, do you think he ought to be hanged?? but death penalty is not about tit for tat.Originally posted by pikamaster:*Sigh* We are right back here with the noose-fanatics again! Hanging is NEVER a right solution because the Death Penalty is blatantly immoral. Besides, would hanging Ram Tiwary actually assauge the pain his flatmates' parents feel over the death of their children? Singaporeans, please grow up! (I have already grown up in this aspect, and so has Australia)
Nothing in reality can assuage the pain of parents whose children were murdered, but can you feel their pain when few years later they found Ram a free man living like nothing had happened?? and what if he were to kill again??
There is no solution to murder, let alone right or wrong, but there is a right message, a strong one, we need to give to the potential murderers, " you take a live, you pay with your live, cause others lives are not cheaper." The question is, are you guilty of murder or not??
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Harry and Barry Lee as well as the Holy Goh should die in cold blood. They are Fascists to the core.Originally posted by Nelstar:Let me tell you a story about the prince and his country. (I've been telling the same story to many people... who challenged the hanging rule)
Long long time ago in this nation called Xapore. King Harry Lee Can Yield( ) was getting old of age and decided to step down. His son, Barry Lee Xian Loon ( ) was the crown prince.
So the advisors told Barry Lee that if he wants to win the favour of his people, he should get rid of the death penalty. So when Barry Lee took over King Harry, he abolished the death penalty and fixed jail terms for murderers at seven years. As such, murder rate increased.
Seven years later, pikamonster, a murderer, was released and he went on a rampage, killing Harry Lee, and several important head of the state.
Barry Lee, noticing that the change in the law did not stop pikamonster from killing, decided to re-implement the death penalty. However, he had to give notice to his country and thus pikamonster was again sentenced to another seven years.
Seven years later, pikamonster killed Barry Lee.
Now for part II.
In country XYZ, there was never any death penalty. And all murderers were being jailed indefinitely.
One day the new prime minister took over and decided that criminals that served 20 years and showed good conduct to be released.
I don't need to repeat that how the murderers got loose again and committed crimes again. 
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Should another death occur to satisfy justice?Originally posted by sgdiehard:If hanging Ram Tiwary can actually assuage the pain his flatmates' parents feel, do you think he ought to be hanged?? but death penalty is not about tit for tat.
Nothing in reality can assuage the pain of parents whose children were murdered, but can you feel their pain when few years later they found Ram a free man living like nothing had happened?? and what if he were to kill again??
There is no solution to murder, let alone right or wrong, but there is a right message, a strong one, we need to give to the potential murderers, " you take a live, you pay with your live, cause others lives are not cheaper." The question is, are you guilty of murder or not??
the grown up are those who are responsible for what they do. -
If he is indeed guilty, he will get his punishment from the Divine One sooner or later.Originally posted by sgdiehard:If hanging Ram Tiwary can actually assuage the pain his flatmates' parents feel, do you think he ought to be hanged?? but death penalty is not about tit for tat.
Nothing in reality can assuage the pain of parents whose children were murdered, but can you feel their pain when few years later they found Ram a free man living like nothing had happened?? and what if he were to kill again??
There is no solution to murder, let alone right or wrong, but there is a right message, a strong one, we need to give to the potential murderers, " you take a live, you pay with your live, cause others lives are not cheaper." The question is, are you guilty of murder or not??
the grown up are those who are responsible for what they do.
Still, Ram Tiwary has a chance of getting a fairer trial in NSW than Ah Hao did in Singapore. -
yes.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Should another death occur to satisfy justice? -
don forget that before a murderer is convicted, the police conducted investigation to ascertain what actually happened, then the accused would be tried in court, and finally it would the judge or the jury who would come to verdict if the accused is guilty as charged. Then sentence is passed depending on the facts uncovered in the process, including the state of mind of the accused at the time of commiting the crime, the motive, is death resulted from reckless disregard for human life or excessive use of force, act of self defence..... and if the crime is a first degree murder, or a manslaughter.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Should another death occur to satisfy justice?
Justice is done when the accused receives fair and just trial, and the necessary punishment. Not all who killed were hanged. -
It is better that he received his due punishment now, repent and accept salvation for a new life in eternity, than to continue living a life that threaten others and be doomed for forever.Originally posted by iveco:If he is indeed guilty, he will get his punishment from the Divine One sooner or later.
Still, Ram Tiwary has a chance of getting a fairer trial in NSW than Ah Hao did in Singapore.
Both cases involved foreigners killing foreigners and there is nothing politcal in these two murder cases. I can't see how trial in NSW can be fairer than in Singapore. If the case involved an austrialian white killing an aborigines, than I think trial in singapore would likely be fairer.
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Sadly, the 4 commandoes in the dunking case didn't face homicide charges that would have put them away for 10 years or more.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Justice is done when the accused receives fair and just trial, and the necessary punishment. Not all who killed were hanged.
A system that establishes one's guilt from scratch should be the norm. What we have back home doesn't seem to be so.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Both cases involved foreigners killing foreigners and there is nothing politcal in these two murder cases. I can't see how trial in NSW can be fairer than in Singapore. If the case involved an austrialian white killing an aborigines, than I think trial in singapore would likely be fairer. 
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hang Durai as well.. 2 for the price of one..