Send Ram Tiwary back to Singapore to hang
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No Government in this world consult the people.Originally posted by pikamaster:Haha
'cos they don't consult the people before making decisions!
THIS is the fact. And that's why now BUSH isn't that well-liked.
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so is locking up a person for life a better alternative ?Originally posted by pikamaster:*Sigh* We are right back here with the noose-fanatics again! Hanging is NEVER a right solution because the Death Penalty is blatantly immoral. Besides, would hanging Ram Tiwary actually assauge the pain his flatmates' parents feel over the death of their children? Singaporeans, please grow up! (I have already grown up in this aspect, and so has Australia) -
if u let people die by the chair or by hanging. you are the same as them.
A murderer. tat's wat this is about.
We are responsible for that. It will be on our conscience. our sin.
This probably would be meaningles if u dont believe in God and the afterlife.
But if you do believe, then this is a dilemma.
Its easy to say kill him. But are u sure u want to take a life?
Everyone i am sure would want revenge somehow... for any wrong doings...
so the question whether revenge is wat we should be doing or whether being able to prevent ourselves from taking revenge as a good thing? -
God is what sh!t? can eaT?Originally posted by Rheoincarnate:if u let people die by the chair or by hanging. you are the same as them.
A murderer. tat's wat this is about.
We are responsible for that. It will be on our conscience. our sin.
This probably would be meaningles if u dont believe in God and the afterlife.
But if you do believe, then this is a dilemma.
Its easy to say kill him. But are u sure u want to take a life?
Everyone i am sure would want revenge somehow... for any wrong doings...
so the question whether revenge is wat we should be doing or whether being able to prevent ourselves from taking revenge as a good thing? -
not everybody believe in your God.Originally posted by Rheoincarnate:if u let people die by the chair or by hanging. you are the same as them.
A murderer. tat's wat this is about.
We are responsible for that. It will be on our conscience. our sin.
This probably would be meaningles if u dont believe in God and the afterlife.
But if you do believe, then this is a dilemma.
Its easy to say kill him. But are u sure u want to take a life?
Everyone i am sure would want revenge somehow... for any wrong doings...
so the question whether revenge is wat we should be doing or whether being able to prevent ourselves from taking revenge as a good thing? -
Holy sh!t!Originally posted by crazy monkey:not everybody believe in your God. -
if u let people die by the chair or by hanging. you are the same as them.
What defines a murderer?
A murderer. tat's wat this is about.
We are responsible for that. It will be on our conscience. our sin.
This probably would be meaningles if u dont believe in God and the afterlife.
But if you do believe, then this is a dilemma.
Its easy to say kill him. But are u sure u want to take a life?
Everyone i am sure would want revenge somehow... for any wrong doings...
so the question whether revenge is wat we should be doing or whether being able to prevent ourselves from taking revenge as a good thing?
Does killing animals to ensure survival of the human species constitute mass murder of animas?
Does taking a life in warfare relegate you to the rank of a coldblooded butcher? (read: the Crusades)
The issue of hanging ultimately must boil down to more than conscience. We as human beings are guilty of many sins if we have to look at it in pure simplistic terms. However society or the world in general has found convenient excuses to "forget" or internalise some, making them acceptable. -
ya loh if cannot hang murderers how come US and Britian send soldiers to Iraq to kill ppl.Originally posted by runningismylife:What defines a murderer?
Does killing animals to ensure survival of the human species constitute mass murder of animas?
Does taking a life in warfare relegate you to the rank of a coldblooded butcher? (read: the Crusades)
The issue of hanging ultimately must boil down to more than conscience. We as human beings are guilty of many sins if we have to look at it in pure simplistic terms. However society or the world in general has found convenient excuses to "forget" or internalise some, making them acceptable. -
Please go to EH to preach about sin.Originally posted by runningismylife:What defines a murderer?
Does killing animals to ensure survival of the human species constitute mass murder of animas?
Does taking a life in warfare relegate you to the rank of a coldblooded butcher? (read: the Crusades)
The issue of hanging ultimately must boil down to more than conscience. We as human beings are guilty of many sins if we have to look at it in pure simplistic terms. However society or the world in general has found convenient excuses to "forget" or internalise some, making them acceptable. -
They used to deport criminals away...Originally posted by crazy monkey:ya loh if cannot hang murderers how come US and Britian send soldiers to Iraq to kill ppl.
But the world is too small now to export our criminals.
Hanging is not a good solution, I never said or preached it was, but I felt it was most effective in deterring others to commit the act. I won't say I really feel it's good, there is no good in doing harm to another just because you thought it would benefit many. It was the best option to deter others.
The idea of the law is to protect the interest of the majority, not the minority, not the select few. If the law protects only the humane side then the law becomes ineffective and it boils to the conclusion of having bad lawmakers. What's the point of having a law, when the people are not following it? -
If any donor or patient were to kill Durai, either for the great financial losses or to prevent further financial losses, he would still be guilty of murder, no matter how much he lost because of Durai.Originally posted by pikamaster:Nelstar,
the NKF issue has two sides: the donors and the patients. The patients probably lost medical benefits, ya. But the donors lost huge sums of money, stuff that could have been used to purchase other stuff such as food. I believe a large proportion of these donors to be heartlanders i.e. they are of the lower-income groups. Henceforth, NKF has done great economic/financial harm to these people. Not to mention if the donors are old folks, then they have had emotional harm done to them too, since they have been conned of money. Even the patients have been harmed; some emotionally, after having been forced to act "poor thing" on the NKF's national advertisements and being threatened with reduced treatment should they refuse to comply. (That is part of what the CAC was investigating FYI.) These patients need the kidney treatments; kidney treatments are not mere benefits for them.
So indeed much harm has been done.
the pikamaster
If a person were to kill to prevent his own life being taken, he is likely to escape death penalty for act of self defence.
It is never justified to kill for money, but you can kill if your own life is threatened, such is the value of life.
to equate the harm done due to financial lossess to a life taken devalue the value of life.
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you feel responsible for all the hanging done in singapore? were you responsible for taking those lives?Originally posted by Rheoincarnate:if u let people die by the chair or by hanging. you are the same as them.
A murderer. tat's wat this is about.
We are responsible for that. It will be on our conscience. our sin.
This probably would be meaningles if u dont believe in God and the afterlife.
But if you do believe, then this is a dilemma.
Its easy to say kill him. But are u sure u want to take a life?
Everyone i am sure would want revenge somehow... for any wrong doings...
so the question whether revenge is wat we should be doing or whether being able to prevent ourselves from taking revenge as a good thing?
you are wrong to assume that "Everyone" want revenge somhow. Capital punishment is not about revenge.
At least read all the postings here before you even open your mouth. -
If Durai were shot because of what he did with NKF funds, would you feel any sympathy for him? Much as I don't condone the act of killing him, I can't bring myself to feel pity for a fraudster.Originally posted by sgdiehard:If any donor or patient were to kill Durai, either for the great financial losses or to prevent further financial losses, he would still be guilty of murder, no matter how much he lost because of Durai. -
you're just jealous.Originally posted by iveco:If Durai were shot because of what he did with NKF funds, would you feel any sympathy for him? Much as I don't condone the act of killing him, I can't bring myself to feel pity for a fraudster.
Admit it. -
Jealous of a fraudster?Originally posted by Nelstar:you're just jealous.
Admit it. 
Just wait till Judgement Day comes. God will give him his just desserts. -
You're jealous.Originally posted by iveco:Jealous of a fraudster?
Just wait till Judgement Day comes. God will give him his just desserts.
I aint calling for his head because there is too much 'unknowns' in this episode. -
you are being quite personal here.
is this a personal attack for some reason?
Firstly. i did assume everyone.
If you think its Wrong then Just state your point that you feel its wrong.
and not tell me i'm wrong.
everyone has their right to their opinion.
Revenge is a very general term. Maybe you have not come across it in your life???? But many people have.
And you dont need to ask me whether i feel responsible or not. I'm not here for an interview. If you dont like my views fine, but please have some good reason to back it up.
Your last words were.
"At least read all the postings here before you even open your mouth.[/b][/quote]"
I didnt' open my mouth. I typed.
second, I may not have time to read all the posts, or i might have missed one or two but that does not mean i missed the point. Maybe if you can direct me to a certain post that you think i should take note of, point it out please.
dont make stupid unconstructive comments.Originally posted by sgdiehard:you feel responsible for all the hanging done in singapore? were you responsible for taking those lives?
you are wrong to assume that "Everyone" want revenge somhow. Capital punishment is not about revenge.
At least read all the postings here before you even open your mouth. -
I will have no pity for him if he were shot or run over by a beer truck, but I won't say he deserve to die for what he did.Originally posted by iveco:If Durai were shot because of what he did with NKF funds, would you feel any sympathy for him? Much as I don't condone the act of killing him, I can't bring myself to feel pity for a fraudster.
He should pay back what he takes and then serve the next twenty years free of charge in a NKF clinic, sweeping the floor if there is nothing he can do. -
"Originally posted by Rheoincarnate:you are being quite personal here.
is this a personal attack for some reason?
Firstly. i did assume everyone.
If you think its Wrong then Just state your point that you feel its wrong.
and not tell me i'm wrong.
everyone has their right to their opinion.
Revenge is a very general term. Maybe you have not come across it in your life???? But many people have.
And you dont need to ask me whether i feel responsible or not. I'm not here for an interview. If you dont like my views fine, but please have some good reason to back it up.
Your last words were.
"At least read all the postings here before you even open your mouth.
I didnt' open my mouth. I typed.
second, I may not have time to read all the posts, or i might have missed one or two but that does not mean i missed the point. Maybe if you can direct me to a certain post that you think i should take note of, point it out please.
dont make stupid unconstructive comments.
[/b][/quote]Sorry if you take my comment personally, but it is you who say that "We are responsible for that", "It will be on our conscience. our sin." and "if u let people die by the chair or by hanging. you are the same as them.
A murderer." It is clear from the previous postings here that before a person is convicted and hanged, there are police investigations, court trials, judgement, appeal, and before a person is finally sentenced to death. It is the whole legal proceeding that ensure that law is enforced fair and just.
The argument here is whether the current judicial system can ensure no wrong judgement, are police investigations thorough enough so that no wrong guys are brought to court, and if it is better to just jail murderer for life, or if hanging a good deterant.
It was also stated in one of the post that capital punishment is not tit for tat. Besides, Revenge is only carried out by those who are related to the victims.
In reality conviction is done by the jury or the judge, in accordance with the law, and execution is done by professionals, what revenge???
Are you responsible for those who were hanged in singapore?? it is on your conscience? -
Before you guys turn this into a personal slanging match and incur MBT's wrath, please read and digest the post made by Boy in Blue on Page 2. His take on the case is spot on. Our society needs more people like him to ensure all suspects get a fair and decent hearing.
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Someone who thinks spiritual aspect should come logically first is but a moron.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Sorry if you take my comment personally, but it is you who say that "We are responsible for that", "It will be on our conscience. our sin." and "if u let people die by the chair or by hanging. you are the same as them.
A murderer." It is clear from the previous postings here that before a person is convicted and hanged, there are police investigations, court trials, judgement, appeal, and before a person is finally sentenced to death. It is the whole legal proceeding that ensure that law is enforced fair and just.
The argument here is whether the current judicial system can ensure no wrong judgement, are police investigations thorough enough so that no wrong guys are brought to court, and if it is better to just jail murderer for life, or if hanging a good deterant.
It was also stated in one of the post that capital punishment is not tit for tat. Besides, Revenge is only carried out by those who are related to the victims.
In reality conviction is done by the jury or the judge, in accordance with the law, and execution is done by professionals, what revenge???
Are you responsible for those who were hanged in singapore?? it is on your conscience?
Pikamaster has good and relevant points while some religious jerk jumped in and put their faiths into questioning the things we do.
Why don't he go back to his religion and read that how GOOD his god is by killing Moses and such and such. Wah, his HOLINESS can do it without sin!
Now, how about THAT? -
Like I mentioned before, LIFE imprisonment isn't a good deterrent. There's no such thing as fair or decent hearingOriginally posted by iveco:Before you guys turn this into a personal slanging match and incur MBT's wrath, please read and digest the post made by Boy in Blue on Page 2. His take on the case is spot on. Our society needs more people like him to ensure all suspects get a fair and decent hearing.
Wait your brain can't process that to understand why Pikamaster and I were discussing about. -
Not in Singapore, of course.Originally posted by Nelstar:Like I mentioned before, LIFE imprisonment isn't a good deterrent. There's no such thing as fair or decent hearing
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There is no fairness in anything because the law protects only the main interest of the majority.Originally posted by iveco:Not in Singapore, of course.
And there is no fairness in this world too.
Singapore is not the only place affected. -
dont twist things... come on... this is not a flaming thread.
Nelstar.. u calling me a religious jerk now?
Wat do u mean by go back to my religion.
and GOOD my god is. You dont even know me.
I'm sure after reading your comments that you are most probably a racist.
Nobody talked about any specific religion here.
NELSTAR, You dont even know my religion. Whatever are u talking about?
Frankly i think u are a nut.
Can someone please comment besides this guy.Originally posted by Nelstar:Someone who thinks spiritual aspect should come logically first is but a moron.
Pikamaster has good and relevant points while some religious jerk jumped in and put their faiths into questioning the things we do.
Why don't he go back to his religion and read that how GOOD his god is by killing Moses and such and such. Wah, his HOLINESS can do it without sin!
Now, how about THAT?