Is US ambassador deemed to be interfering in our affairs?
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When Singaporeans do not have freedoms of expressions and the right to vote freely due to GRC or political defamation suits, and US Ambassador is merely pointing out such a fact, is he interfering in our internal affairs?
Personally, I think he is doing the majority of Singaporeans a big favor by pointing out a truth. It is our government who has to change. What is basically wrong is not defensible. -
He is actually sounding a wake-up call to our pathetic regime. We are too weak to do anything on our own. Shame on us.
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In the MIW's Singapore, pointing out obvious facts and educating the public is deemed as interference.
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We should ask for U.S assistance to overthrow PAP,just like what happen in Iraq,the U.S had successfully overthrown Saddam Hussien this dictator out of his "throne"!!!!Perhaps we can ask for U.S assistance to overthrow the Lees family,then put Lou ah Lee,Lou ah Goh,and Siao ah Long into jail,hehe,just like what they did to Saddam Hussien.
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By the way,Singapore is much smaller n weaker than Iraq,i am sure if U.S decided to overthrow the PAP,it surely wont be a problem to them.If they need help,i am sure many Singaporeans would be willing to act as a undercover-spy for them,just like those Iraqi ppl.
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Lets be fair on this issue.
Yes, what Franky said is true. I do think that our govt is very stupid & childish to charge the previously unknown bloggers. It could well be our weakness in the long run.
But to call for the overthrow of PAP is ridiculous. PAP has done a great job for Singapore all these years. -
During his term as ambassador to singapore, "the American continue to supply the latest weapons to Singapore, and they continue to use the military facilities here.
American was first to have free trade with singapore and american MNC continues to use Singapore as a hub to the region, american community continue to grow and the Singapore American School is getting larger. Singaporeans, including those from the regime, continue to enjoy visa free entry to america." do you think the regime will take what this departing embassador say seriously?
As American Embassor to Singapore, he must have all the time to meet the Lees, the Goh and all in the regime, did he take those opportunities to speak to them about the plight of the singaporean?
If he were serious, he could have done what Gore did to Mahathir, telling Mahathir right in the face, " can't you hear the sound of REFORMSI?"
We have heard so many american leaders praising LKY and the singapore leadership openly but how much criticism have we heard from the americans, except from the newspaper man?
Why this embassador talked about freedom for singaporean only when he is leaving? and Did the government blame him or the american government he represents "interferring in our affairs'??
Politicians play politics. American MNC are the first to retrench singaporean and employ FT for greater profitality, american will be the first to withdraw from singapore when there are signs of any trouble here. I wont count on the american to be truely interested in the welfare of singaporean. -
At least he used his position to sound out.That in my books is still a little of social responsibility.Mutual interests are the only thing thats true in this world.Originally posted by sgdiehard:During his term as ambassador to singapore, "the American continue to supply the latest weapons to Singapore, and they continue to use the military facilities here.
American was first to have free trade with singapore and american MNC continues to use Singapore as a hub to the region, american community continue to grow and the Singapore American School is getting larger. Singaporeans, including those from the regime, continue to enjoy visa free entry to america." do you think the regime will take what this departing embassador say seriously?
As American Embassor to Singapore, he must have all the time to meet the Lees, the Goh and all in the regime, did he take those opportunities to speak to them about the plight of the singaporean?
If he were serious, he could have done what Gore did to Mahathir, telling Mahathir right in the face, " can't you hear the sound of REFORMSI?"
We have heard so many american leaders praising LKY and the singapore leadership openly but how much criticism have we heard from the americans, except from the newspaper man?
Why this embassador talked about freedom for singaporean only when he is leaving? and Did the government blame him or the american government he represents "interferring in our affairs'??
Politicians play politics. American MNC are the first to retrench singaporean and employ FT for greater profitality, american will be the first to withdraw from singapore when there are signs of any trouble here. I wont count on the american to be truely interested in the welfare of singaporean.
Salman, just because the govt thinks that they have done a good job does not give them the right to deem political change an act bordering on criminality.Do you understand the idea of democracy and the right to change a government or a governing party through citizen education by legal means?
If to change a ruling party is a crime, then why not just give up all this democratic BS?I know we will reach a point where political maturity is high enough for us to have a small number of capable parties who will push each other to run the nation in a much better manner, like economic competitors.You perform better when you know that there is a team behind you fully able to kick you out and do a better job. -
What he said is not new. Singaporeans are fully aware of that, it is just that many singaporean are pragmatic and are choosing not to do anything now till there is a clear alternative, or they choose PAP as the better of two evils, or are taking a selfish stance by ignoring those who are suffering as long as they themselves are ok.Originally posted by LazerLordz:At least he used his position to sound out.That in my books is still a little of social responsibility.Mutual interests are the only thing thats true in this world.
Salman, just because the govt thinks that they have done a good job does not give them the right to deem political change an act bordering on criminality.Do you understand the idea of democracy and the right to change a government or a governing party through citizen education by legal means?
If to change a ruling party is a crime, then why not just give up all this democratic BS?I know we will reach a point where political maturity is high enough for us to have a small number of capable parties who will push each other to run the nation in a much better manner, like economic competitors.You perform better when you know that there is a team behind you fully able to kick you out and do a better job.
What was said was an obvious fact, but for "educating the public", hardly!!
Some words of concerns about freedom coming from the US embassador in Singapore is certainly good. His words would have carried much more weight as a "wake up call to the regime" had he spoke when he was still the embassador. The point is, he has left his position, why he din use it when he had the position??
It is always free to talk about freedom, or we choose to talk about freedom only when it is free. -
I would think that he definitely would have raised this issue while in service.This is more of a round-up before he leaves as you can clearly see by all the issues he raised.Originally posted by sgdiehard:What he said is not new. Singaporeans are fully aware of that, it is just that many singaporean are pragmatic and are choosing not to do anything now till there is a clear alternative, or they choose PAP as the better of two evils, or are taking a selfish stance by ignoring those who are suffering as long as they themselves are ok.
What was said was an obvious fact, but for "educating the public", hardly!!
Some words of concerns about freedom coming from the US embassador in Singapore is certainly good. His words would have carried much more weight as a "wake up call to the regime" had he spoke when he was still the embassador. The point is, he has left his position, why he din use it when he had the position??
It is always free to talk about freedom, or we choose to talk about freedom only when it is free. -
Recently our government are leaning too close to the communist China,especially Lou ah Lee,i am sure those Americans dont like to see that happening.If the opposition leaders could promise those Americans some goodies when they takeover power from PAP,i am sure those Americans would lend us a helping hand.
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Those commies can never be trusted. Just look at what happened at SIP.
We be better off as American stooges anytime than to trust the Chinese. -
Besides,those PAP leaders taking their salaries even higher than the U.S president might already make many American Senators "eyes red".If i was American president,i would also jealous of those PAP leaders high salary.
Imagine,the American President have to take criticism,demonstration from the public,and constantly challenge from the opposition members.But our PAP leaders can sit back n relax n keep talking bullshit n yet collect such a high salary.......Hehe,if i were the American President,i would definitely try to bring down those Singapore dictators n enjoy the show when they falls,hehe. -
Yup,i hate those communist Chinese politicians,they only dare to bully their own ppl,just like what our government did,even i am a Chinese i also hate them.Lousy piece of shit.Originally posted by Salman:Those commies can never be trusted. Just look at what happened at SIP.
We be better off as American stooges anytime than to trust the Chinese. -
Chinese as in "hua qiao" or PRC (Chink)?Originally posted by drawer:Yup,i hate those communist Chinese politicians,they only dare to bully their own ppl,just like what our government did,even i am a Chinese i also hate them.Lousy piece of shit. -
those china farker la. sibei lao kui eh..Originally posted by iveco:Chinese as in "hua qiao" or PRC (Chink)?
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Is US ambassador deemed to be interfering in our affairs?
consider it a priviledge that we are still under their attention. The moment they decide to ignore us. I dont wish to say...... -
You don't need the commie Chinese to justify that you are American Stooges.Originally posted by Salman:Those commies can never be trusted. Just look at what happened at SIP.
We be better off as American stooges anytime than to trust the Chinese.
Its what I call the "american s h i t s dont stink" syndrome.
I am a Singaporean Chinese, I don't have to lean on the american nor the communist chinese, I am no stooge of anyone.
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unfortunately history has proven that chinese only know how to fight among themselves.
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Originally posted by Mr Soh:
As a little red dot, we are having a lot of attention and we need a balanced view, from EU, China, India, Russia, besides America and UK.
[b]Is US ambassador deemed to be interfering in our affairs?
consider it a priviledge that we are still under their attention. The moment they decide to ignore us. I dont wish to say......[/b]
We walk with our heads up, we don't need the "left over". Selling us the latest F15 figher planes with the latest missiles, allowing us to participate in the future fighter planes development, that is a privilege! -
Who is saying that he is interfering in our internal affairs??Originally posted by robertteh:When Singaporeans do not have freedoms of expressions and the right to vote freely due to GRC or political defamation suits, and US Ambassador is merely pointing out such a fact, is he interfering in our internal affairs?
Personally, I think he is doing the majority of Singaporeans a big favor by pointing out a truth. It is our government who has to change. What is basically wrong is not defensible.
Will be glad to see the present US embassador having lunch with Goh MS or any members of opposition parties. If the PAP government remains quiet even when that happen, you still can't succeed in picking a fight with them.
But, we will probably have to wait till he leaves. -
All shit stinks, but if you don't have a choice, American shit sure stinks less.Originally posted by sgdiehard:You don't need the commie Chinese to justify that you are American Stooges. Its what I call the "american s h i t s dont stink" syndrome.
I am a Singaporean Chinese, I don't have to lean on the american nor the communist chinese, I am no stooge of anyone.
Whats wrong with being an American stooge anyway? Its great to be a friend of America. They don't treat us like stooges, they treat us with respect as partners, much better than all our neighbours in fact. -
Come on...
His country is just as bad.
Look... his president ordered his soldiers to shoot his own countrymen. -
i think the ambassador is a regular among us in sgforum.
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All s h i t s stinks, but some stinks more than the others, depending on what they eat, too much curry or too much liang teh. It does not depend on nationality nor race nor religion. Get the idea? America is a big country with over 200 million ppl, some are good, some are bad, and many ass holes, like any other country.Originally posted by Salman:All shit stinks, but if you don't have a choice, American shit sure stinks less.
Whats wrong with being an American stooge anyway? Its great to be a friend of America. They don't treat us like stooges, they treat us with respect as partners, much better than all our neighbours in fact.
"stooge" by definition means "one who plays a subordinate or compliant role to a principal" or "PUPPET". Singapore as a sovereign state, we are not subordinated or a puppet to the US; we do not play compliant role to any principal country, not US, not China, not Indonesia....
Its great to be friend to anybody, and being friends mean we are standing on level ground and we do not play stooges.
If we are happy to be stooges to the americans, we cannot blame our neighbours for treating us with no respect. As a stooge, we have no respect for ourself.