Death Penalty Appeal
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australia will continue to appeal for clemency on behalf of one of its citizen sentenced to death for trafficking 400g of heroin.
they have not given up yet after repeated rejections by our government. -
why is there a need to impose the death sentence on traffickers who have no intention of bringing the drug for local consumption?
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Govt like to be very cruel lor
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if the drug is for transit then why do we bother to impose the death sentence. a jail term will suffice.
but if the drug is meant for the local market death should then be imposed in order to protect our people. -
I wonder if take drug in holland come back will get jail ah??
if can get jail then very wrong wor cos legal to take drug in holland -
It is time for government when it is opening up to more foreigners to take up PR or citizenship to avoid unfairness in the laws across the borders.
Government has passed many harsh laws to solve certain problems or presumably to solve certain problems. When laws on our own citizens are too strict involving death penalty, it will from time to time lead to discrimination either against its own citiznes as against foreigners who might be working among our citizens. When such a situation arises, government either has to be more lenient to foreigners or discriminate against its own citizens with heavier sentence for the same offence in the same court.
In the age of internet, if government still passses the laws solely for its own considerations of getting tough on certain offences it will lead to more serious restrictions or punishments against its own citizens e.g. posting of views critical of government in the email or blogs by citizens may be punished but not the foreigners for the same offence or presumed offence. This will be pure discrimination where our citizens may be subject to punishments where other citizens are not.
Why be harsh in any penalty on citizens and be lenient or not taking actions on the same offence on Foreigners ?
What is government going to do to avoid double standard. Punish the foreigners to the same extent as local citizens, foreigners are not happy.
Punish local citizens with less severity as foreigners the local will be heppier and foreigners are not against us.
Punish local more than foreigners, locals are being discriminated as against foreigners - but for what purpose? Who is at fault ? What problems do we solve any way in many cases? Are we solving them at all even with all the harsher laws? Many harsh laws of the past have been discovered in recent amendments to existing laws. If government has talents, it should see to more balanced approach in laws and enforcements and not be more harsh against its own citizens to serve no particular purpose except to look more firm and resolute or for political purpose. Let there be more balance in the laws across borders. -
he carried the drugs to help pay off some gambling debt of his twin brother, how ironic
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who is also a convicted heroin smuggler ..... irony x 2 .....Originally posted by TehJarVu:he carried the drugs to help pay off some gambling debt of his twin brother, how ironic
last i read they are going to ask the pope to intercede i think .....
tsk tsk tsk .... -
never pay tax mah wanna import/export/transit goods must pay them oneOriginally posted by dragg:why is there a need to impose the death sentence on traffickers who have no intention of bringing the drug for local consumption? -
This topic of Death Penalty has NO END.
Simple solution; DON'T, get involved with drugs in any way. -
they broken the law , no doubt they shall be punished
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The story of the Viet guy is still ongoing? I thought he already met his end at the gallows.
Anyway, Singapore considers herself as doing a favour for the Victorians. However, the big bosses are still on the loose. -
if sg let them off..foreigners will now try to smuggle in and out of sg..get caught ask their country intercede for them la..how can like that..
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Just bring them forward on the death row and hang them, and save the Aussies their breath.
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The case has not been fairly tried IMHO.He was caught in transit, and therefore under international law, he has not entered Singapore.So where is the motive to traffick in Singapore may I ask?
Feeling that the courts merely brushed this aside because they have been too inured against it.All that can save him is a grand jury subpoena for him to appear in a Australian court to testify and the Australian AG has to use this as his last throw of the dice to get Nguyen out..
Let's see if the Aussies are willing to spend diplomatic ammunition on this one..if they do not, then their behavior over Schapelle Corby will show their vacillating stance. -
It's about the priniciple and whether killing this man will actually impact on the drug syndicate that hired him.Rather than mindlessly applying this law, we should use him to get to the head honchos and if it means letting Australia take him and imprison him, by all means do so.Originally posted by stellazio:if sg let them off..foreigners will now try to smuggle in and out of sg..get caught ask their country intercede for them la..how can like that..
Aim for the greater good, not a vengeful punishment.If I were a Singaporean in trouble, I would want my nation to fight for me and not leave me to die due to some fucked up policy of non-interference and pragmatism..but if that happens, what's new anyway.. -
Precisely.Sometimes our govt thinks their laws are very far-reaching.Anyway, it is a crime for a Singaporean to consume drugs overseas and still have it in their system when they return.Originally posted by The man who was death:I wonder if take drug in holland come back will get jail ah?? if can get jail then very wrong wor cos legal to take drug in holland -
Many tourists are on "transit" and can travel into Singapore proper. They just have their passports held back by the immigration people, and then they use the Singapore Stopover to sightsee in Singapore.Originally posted by LazerLordz:The case has not been fairly tried IMHO.He was caught in transit, and therefore under international law, he has not entered Singapore.So where is the motive to traffick in Singapore may I ask?
Feeling that the courts merely brushed this aside because they have been too inured against it.All that can save him is a grand jury subpoena for him to appear in a Australian court to testify and the Australian AG has to use this as his last throw of the dice to get Nguyen out..
Let's see if the Aussies are willing to spend diplomatic ammunition on this one..if they do not, then their behavior over Schapelle Corby will show their vacillating stance.
The fact is, you don't know if he has a motive or not to traffic drugs. Nobody will know except Nguyen himself. Possession of drugs is prima facie evidence of trafficking. It is harsh, but quite necessary to ensure that drugs are not easily proliferated into Singapore. -
Therefore the benefit of the doubt should still be with the accused and the onus is on the prosecution to prove that he intended to traffick.Since when do we accept that a person is guilty on all charges upon arrest?Originally posted by Kurs:Many tourists are on "transit" and can travel into Singapore proper. They just have their passports held back by the immigration people, and then they use the Singapore Stopover to sightsee in Singapore.
The fact is, you don't know if he has a motive or not to traffic drugs. Nobody will know except Nguyen himself. Possession of drugs is prima facie evidence of trafficking. It is harsh, but quite necessary to ensure that drugs are not easily proliferated into Singapore. -
i support the death penalty for bringing drugs into singapore. but if he is only transiting and the drugs are not meant for our market i feel he should not be hanged.Originally posted by LazerLordz:The case has not been fairly tried IMHO.He was caught in transit, and therefore under international law, he has not entered Singapore.So where is the motive to traffick in Singapore may I ask?
Feeling that the courts merely brushed this aside because they have been too inured against it.All that can save him is a grand jury subpoena for him to appear in a Australian court to testify and the Australian AG has to use this as his last throw of the dice to get Nguyen out..
Let's see if the Aussies are willing to spend diplomatic ammunition on this one..if they do not, then their behavior over Schapelle Corby will show their vacillating stance. -
Precisely why the mandatory sentencing policy is flawed.Sentencing should be up to the judiciary with each case weighed individually.I'd say..give the power back to the Court.
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well then,Originally posted by dragg:i support the death penalty for bringing drugs into singapore. but if he is only transiting and the drugs are not meant for our market i feel he should not be hanged.
if some of Osama's minnions were bringing a nuclear bomb through Changi airport, but were only transiting to say, New York or sydney, should we hang them or not ? ...
a drug smuggler is a drug smuggler is a drug smuggler, period.
it's not like we're hanging someone who unwittedly kill somebody while drunk or something ... it was a pre-meditated flouting of a law with penalties explicitly laid out .... -
How can you remain objective when you equate international terrorism with drug smuggling.At the time of the crime, was anyone killed?There is a reason why there are such things as laws.Originally posted by Fatum:well then,
if some of Osama's minnions were bringing a nuclear bomb through Changi airport, but were only transiting to say, New York or sydney, should we hang them or not ? ...
a drug smuggler is a drug smuggler is a drug smuggler, period.
it's not like we're hanging someone who unwittedly kill somebody while drunk or something ... it was a pre-meditated flouting of a law with penalties explicitly laid out .... -
You people just can't see it.
You can never find fairness in LAW. It's intrumental, as much as a gun is.
The killing of an innocent man/woman/child/baby by a mad man, murderer, or blurglar, is no different from the killing by way of LAW a convicted criminal.
This topic of Death Penalty can go on in circles without end, as human LAW can never please everyone. -
Of course no person is guilty on all charges upon arrest. But the law is written such that possession of drugs is deemed to be trafficking.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Therefore the benefit of the doubt should still be with the accused and the onus is on the prosecution to prove that he intended to traffick.Since when do we accept that a person is guilty on all charges upon arrest?
Agree with this.Originally posted by ShutterBug:You people just can't see it.
You can never find fairness in LAW. It's intrumental, as much as a gun is.
The killing of an innocent man/woman/child/baby by a mad man, murderer, or blurglar, is no different from the killing by way of LAW a convicted criminal.
This topic of Death Penalty can go on in circles without end, as human LAW can never please everyone.