Singapore already refurbished and upgraded the Sjoormen class into the Challenger class submaine. Anyway, Dr.Tony Tan already highlighted that the 4 submarines are mainly for training purposes.Originally posted by Shotgun:Well, Yes. From what I heard from some friends. However, Singapore has been known to err, tinker around with her toys. Maybe they have upgraded the Subs, or even purchased newer and better ones. Please be reminded, that the current swedish subs is Singapore's FIRST submarines.
why do you need 4 subs for trainning??? isnt 1 or 2 subs cheaper and still serve the same purpose??Originally posted by Patriotic Tim:Singapore already refurbished and upgraded the Sjoormen class into the Challenger class submaine. Anyway, Dr.Tony Tan already highlighted that the 4 submarines are mainly for training purposes.
OH.... ever consider that this 4 subs might be a cover for other 'advance subs' that is in singapore water but very very silent......Originally posted by tripwire:why do you need 4 subs for trainning??? isnt 1 or 2 subs cheaper and still serve the same purpose??
And why do you need to train sub operations if you dont intend to continue with it in the future.... kind of like too much money dont know where to throw???
Yup. thats what i've been think so. There are sure to be some subs kept in secret. if not, why are the trainings for.What i think is that the 4 Challenger class are used to let our RSN men to have a first hand feel on what its like working onboard a sub, then later they will proceded on to the sophisticated secret subs.Originally posted by tripwire:OH.... ever consider that this 4 subs might be a cover for other 'advance subs' that is in singapore water but very very silent......
Scary thought.Originally posted by Patriotic Tim:Yup. thats what i've been think so. There are sure to be some subs kept in secret. if not, why are the trainings for.What i think is that the 4 Challenger class are used to let our RSN men to have a first hand feel on what its like working onboard a sub, then later they will proceded on to the sophisticated secret subs.
ITs probably a lead in sub.... before long... you will start seeing RSN buying the lastest and the best.... heheeeOriginally posted by YourFather:Come on guys... Subs aren't cheap. You don't buy them like they you buy peanuts, at least, not with our budget... 4 subs are definitely all we've got. Just what are their capabilities, I dunno, though I was surprised as it didn't seem like what Singapore usually got (meaning: the latest and the best)
dont you think such information is considered sensitive???Originally posted by Patriotic Tim:Yup. Probably our own customed submarines but cooperation with France again. I don't think Singapore will not put U.S on the top in the list of weapon suppliers. Most probably European countries. I noticed something. The number of equipment in the SADA is never released... any one of you are willing to share info? Anything you know?
Well, you may be right. Anyway, so much 'sensitive' info had already been let out by everyone in the forums (including you). True or not i don't know, just like one RSAF technician told me, everything on the net can be considered as being used for reading leisure.Originally posted by tripwire:dont you think such information is considered sensitive???
anyway... from my sources.... RSAF got more SAMs than all the aircraft in this region.
Not likely, more like Kockum (Sweden)... Why not just get another 3 or 4 A19 Gotland class with Sterling AIP system....Originally posted by Patriotic Tim:Yup. Probably our own customed submarines but cooperation with France again.
understooded.Originally posted by Shotgun:The word Aegis, does not imply Arleigh burke destroyers, or Ticonderoga class cruisers. The Word aegis is only associated with the defensive SAM suite for ship mounted weapons systems.
considering the size of our territorial water.. why would we need an AEGIS system??? we already have Fokker MPA and Hawkeye plus dozens of radars on the ground....Originally posted by m113apc:understooded.
and thats why i say it makes my mouth water.
but at the same time ,there is a lot of reasons why it is unlikely to be bought.
1)the lafayette is a French ship.If we had bought a US built ship,might be possible.
2)amentioned,it is not just a system that controls sam systems on the ship.It integrates everything.i am no gd with
technical data,but your guys know wat i mean.
now,do ur think that the US is going to let us have something that is not only going to be introduced first into the region, it has no comparable system at all?least i noe off?
3)and the system is dammed expensive.japan can only afford a few.spore?
On the contrary. I believe that the Aegis will serve as a complementary battle manager to our current ground based defense. Also, we will need escort frigates to escort supplies, weapons from bases elsewhere back to Singapore in times of war.Originally posted by tripwire:considering the size of our territorial water.. why would we need an AEGIS system??? we already have Fokker MPA and Hawkeye plus dozens of radars on the ground....
IF ever we do get an AEGIS system... i think it would be best to be a gound system....
But even the La Fayatte will not be big enuff to house the AEGIS. One would need at least a 2000+ ton ship and huge superstructure to be able to have the AEGIS phase array to be mounted onto.Originally posted by Shotgun:On the contrary. I believe that the Aegis will serve as a complementary battle manager to our current ground based defense. Also, we will need escort frigates to escort supplies, weapons from bases elsewhere back to Singapore in times of war.
Seriously, I doubt the Lafayette will be the core component of the aegis system. Costs for singapore is not a problem, as long as a the threats are there. The Lafayette frigate will merely be a sub component to the RSN's naval surface to air net. My analysis is that, there will be further vessels, as well as modifications that will allow an interlinked surface task force to run a singular aegis shield over it.Originally posted by Joe Black:But even the La Fayatte will not be big enuff to house the AEGIS. One would need at least a 2000+ ton ship and huge superstructure to be able to have the AEGIS phase array to be mounted onto.
Futhermore, the cost of the AEGIS would make 1 ship too expensive. Don't think RSN can afford that. However, RSN can always look for an european phase array 3D radar, like the ones used in the French La Fayatte, or the German and Dutch frigates.
One last point, it is not worth having the AEGIS unless the ship is armed with the Standard SAM system to shoot down both planes and latest gen ASM or cruise missiles. RSN does not currently face any threat from advanced ASM or cruise missiles. To make LaFayatte into an air-defence ships does not require the AEGIS. It does, however, require RSN to put a decent 3D Phase array air-search radar and a decent enough SAM, such as the ESSM, and point-defence system such as Phalanx or GoalKeeper (wonder why RSN never put such systems onboard of the MCVs or LST/LPDs).