Asia's non-condemnation of Iran's "Wipe Out Israel" comment
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What would happen if the american did not fight in WW2 and if the US and countries of the free world did not stopped the communists?? is it not mutual benefits? din the america joined the war only after their interest affected? BUT that is not the issue i am questioning!!Originally posted by LazerLordz:United States is the lesser evil in the world today.Which nation has bled for communities other than her own?Go and read up the statistics since WW2.Regardless of their motive, we have to realise that the fringe benefits of their interests have benefited us as their allies.
Would you rather have a world where Libya was still a rogue state, Syria still controlled Lebanon, a Soviet-propped Vietnamese state, a powerful Iraq and Iran side by side exporting their hateful form of misguided Islam and state-sponsored terrorism?
Somethings in the world have to be eradicated for the greater good of humanity.Anything that is contrary to freedom and democracy(in whatever form or degree) has to fight harder to prove that it deserves to exist.
A world dominating america with its military power abused, regardless if it is due to ignorance or misguided information, can be far more damaging to the world, than a syria, lebanon or a vietnam, or haven't we seen the bad guys in one camp, the Warsaw pact, the communists? Is an america who forces its own ideology on others no difference from the communists, the radicals muslims???
Where or what is the check to the world's most lethal military power?? Have you not benefitted from the single power of PAP in singapore, regardless of their motive? is there no necessity for continuing checking and monitoring before power corrupts and abuse?? come on, don't use double standard! -
Wait wait, are you sure on this point?Originally posted by sgdiehard:Hello robertteh,
Bear in mind, terrorists attacks and suicide bombings have been in existence outside of America for yrs and it was only after 911 did the America start full scale war on terrorism. Before that, ameicanÂ’s closest ally, the saudis was funding the osama network and CIA training osama in Afganistan.
I am sure this is nothing to you. The point is, war against terrorism is not America vs the terrorists, it is the civilized world vs the extremists.
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It's painfully simple.The alternative to American power then is equal to nothing.The PAP is reaching a crossroad where the citizens have to see if they can continue providing the same standard or another party can do better.Originally posted by sgdiehard:What would happen if the american did not fight in WW2 and if the US and countries of the free world did not stopped the communists?? is it not mutual benefits? din the america joined the war only after their interest affected? BUT that is not the issue i am questioning!!
A world dominating america with its military power abused, regardless if it is due to ignorance or misguided information, can be far more damaging to the world, than a syria, lebanon or a vietnam, or haven't we seen the bad guys in one camp, the Warsaw pact, the communists? Is an america who forces its own ideology on others no difference from the communists, the radicals muslims???
Where or what is the check to the world's most lethal military power?? Have you not benefitted from the single power of PAP in singapore, regardless of their motive? is there no necessity for continuing checking and monitoring before power corrupts and abuse?? come on, don't use double standard!
Ideology will always have one supreme champion.Democracy and freedom of choice.In this aspect, the American ideology reigns powerful, though not without flaws.Governance and global politics is about eradicating those flaws.Bush is one of those flaws today but the whole package of American hegemony is better than any communism skunk anyday. -
George Bush is so bad that he made the sun & earth angry and cause tsunami and hurricanes. Its all Bush's fault. If there's anything bad, just blame it on Bush.Originally posted by vindicated:Yet another stupid remark by Salman!
Tsunami is at most caused by nature, not by George W Bush!!! -
do not feed the troll
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That is a pretty shallow argument...Originally posted by Salman:George Bush is so bad that he made the sun & earth angry and cause tsunami and hurricanes. Its all Bush's fault. If there's anything bad, just blame it on Bush. -
again, do not feed the trollOriginally posted by laurence82:That is a pretty shallow argument...
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
The Americans must fight the terrorists regardless of who wants or does not want to join.
I am not avoiding the question about containing the terrorists. My position is clear, the American has to work with the world in any military actions, and the presence of terrorism does not give USA a free hand in using its might military power in foreign territories.
My question to you is simple, now that the American has acted unilaterally militarily outside of its own territory, where is the check before the worldÂ’s ONE and ONLY SUEPRPOWER and MOST LETHAL MILITARY MACHINE are abused? I have mentioned this many times, donÂ’t avoid!!
” not listening to objective arguments”? “ one-sided argument”? yes, yr argument is one-sided and mine is objective, understand!
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The UN is so corrupt, its disapointing. The very countries that oppose the war on Iraq were also the ones who were bribed the most by Saddam.
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any doubt? generally, the countries that have long history of terrorism are israel and northern ireland, more recently it was chechnya, india and iraq. Since 1972 munich massacre, many terrorists attacks were linked to the middle east conflict, the IRA was domestic conflicts and later in chechyna and india attacks became more religious motivated.Originally posted by laurence82:Wait wait, are you sure on this point?
There were also terrorists attacks by maniacs such as the 1995 oklahoma city bombing, by a white supremacist; and we have Pan Am Flight 103....even in singapore two indonesians were executed for bombing the McDonald House along Orchard Road.
911 was the first time when america was attacked by foreigners in american soil!! Interestingly, only then do the american started asking, "why do ppl hate us", only then did they declare war on terrorism.
A more interesting note on terrorism was from this link:
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm
It talks about a terrorist attack in Germany way back in 1933, which resulted in the building of the first terrorist detention center in Oramanberg, and the outburst of german nationalism, which then led to the rise of nazism and hitler. Terrorism was a good means of diverting attention, can still is!! -
There are terrorists attacks way back in 1991Originally posted by sgdiehard:any doubt? generally, the countries that have long history of terrorism are israel and northern ireland, more recently it was chechnya, india and iraq. Since 1972 munich massacre, many terrorists attacks were linked to the middle east conflict, the IRA was domestic conflicts and later in chechyna and india attacks became more religious motivated.
There were also terrorists attacks by maniacs such as the 1995 oklahoma city bombing, by a white supremacist; and we have Pan Am Flight 103....even in singapore two indonesians were executed for bombing the McDonald House along Orchard Road.
911 was the first time when america was attacked by foreigners in american soil!! Interestingly, only then do the american started asking, "why do ppl hate us", only then did they declare war on terrorism.
A more interesting note on terrorism was from this link:
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm
It talks about a terrorist attack in Germany way back in 1933, which resulted in the building of the first terrorist detention center in Oramanberg, and the outburst of german nationalism, which then led to the rise of nazism and hitler. Terrorism was a good means of diverting attention, can still is!!
New York WTC isnt only targetted in 2001 you know. Its just that the US government has been pretty slack all the time till 2001 -
Nonsense unacceptable speculation!Originally posted by Salman:George Bush is so bad that he made the sun & earth angry and cause tsunami and hurricanes. Its all Bush's fault. If there's anything bad, just blame it on Bush. -
the war on terrorists was fought even before the american joined in.Originally posted by Salman:The Americans must fight the terrorists regardless of who wants or does not want to join.
The UN is so corrupt, its disapointing. The very countries that oppose the war on Iraq were also the ones who were bribed the most by Saddam.
The UN is a farce and must be scrapped, not reformed.
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Do not feed the trolls.Originally posted by sgdiehard:the war on terrorists was fought even before the american joined in.
Do you have a better system than the UN? or are you advocating replacing the UN with the USA???
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whats yr point?Originally posted by laurence82:There are terrorists attacks way back in 1991
New York WTC isnt only targetted in 2001 you know. Its just that the US government has been pretty slack all the time till 2001 -
You are crazy! The US & UK clearly did better than the UN.
W/o the UN, you wouldn't have all this terrorism to begin with. UN is a terrorist enabler organisation.
W/o all this politically correct shit, the terrorists would have no audience and no protection from the civilised world. Wake up and smell the coffee mister. -
The point is simply that terorrist attacks dont just occur in 2001, thats allOriginally posted by sgdiehard:whats yr point? -
no disagreement. that was what I was saying. It is a sad fact that it was only after their own ground was set ablaze then did they declared full war on terrorism, only then did they start "engaging" the other religion. Those who perished in 911 had died so as to wake up the american to the fact that there is a different world out there.Originally posted by laurence82:The point is simply that terorrist attacks dont just occur in 2001, thats all
but talk about fighting for freedom and democracy. hmmm....I am still laughing. -
no, that wasnt what you saidOriginally posted by sgdiehard:no disagreement. that was what I was saying. It is a sad fact that it was only after their own ground was set ablaze then did they declared full war on terrorism, only then did they start "engaging" the other religion. Those who perished in 911 had died so as to wake up the american to the fact that there is a different world out there.
but talk about fighting for freedom and democracy. hmmm....I am still laughing.
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i have to correct you, on the point terorrists attacks dont occur in 2001 alone or 2001 and afterOriginally posted by sgdiehard:Bear in mind, terrorists attacks and suicide bombings have been in existence outside of America for yrs and it was only after 911 did the America start full scale war on terrorism. Before that, ameicanÂ’s closest ally, the saudis was funding the osama network and CIA training osama in Afganistan. I am sure this is nothing to you. The point is, war against terrorism is not America vs the terrorists, it is the civilized world vs the extremists.
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Are you referring to Vindicated? So far, he has thrown personal insults at Reno, Dragg and myself.Originally posted by the Bear:do not feed the troll -
hmm....must be my english. you said that "terorrist attacks dont just occur in 2001", and I said that "terrorists attacks and suicide bombings have been in existence outside of America for yrs", or "terrorists attacks dont occur in 2001 alone or 2001 and after" BUT OCCURED YRS BEFORE THAT.Originally posted by laurence82:i have to correct you, on the point terorrists attacks dont occur in 2001 alone or 2001 and after
there is a disagreement, if you may...
In other words, "terrorists attack happened outside of america for many yrs before 2001." disagree?? -
huh, what talking you?Originally posted by sgdiehard:hmm....must be my english. you said that "terorrist attacks dont just occur in 2001", and I said that "terrorists attacks and suicide bombings have been in existence outside of America for yrs", or "terrorists attacks dont occur in 2001 alone or 2001 and after" BUT OCCURED YRS BEFORE THAT.
In other words, "terrorists attack happened outside of america for many yrs before 2001." disagree??
all in all, terrorism occured for years before 2001, WTC 1991 and Oaklahoma 1995 etc
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1995: Plot to assassinate Pope John Paul in Manila and blow up airplanes over the pacific ocean.Originally posted by laurence82:huh, what talking you?
all in all, terrorism occured for years before 2001, WTC 1991 and Oaklahoma 1995 etc
so do they happened outside america for many years before 2001?
1998: US embassy strikes in Est Africa.
2000: USS Cole attack in Yemen.
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no u dont get my point, do they exist solely outside of US for many years b4 2001?Originally posted by iveco:1995: Plot to assassinate Pope John Paul in Manila and blow up airplanes over the pacific ocean.
1998: US embassy strikes in Est Africa.
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I said terrorists attacked outside of america for many yrs, I din say there was no terrorists attack in america before that.Originally posted by laurence82:huh, what talking you?
all in all, terrorism occured for years before 2001, WTC 1991 and Oaklahoma 1995 etc
so do they happened outside america for many years before 2001?
the point is, the attacks before were considered isolated cases till 911 then the american realised that terrorists war was there and fought on american soil.
was the american reaction to 911 solely due to the heavy casualties? No, they thought terrorists attacks could only happen outside of america, they never thought it could happen right there in the heart of america, new york. My former head office was in Philedelphia when 911 happened. Physical damages was nothing compared to the fear, shock and bewilderment it inflicted on the american. The american never thought that mad and lunatic terrorists could have brains. It was after then did the american started asking, who are these ppl? why are they prepared to give up their lives in order to kill us? -
The reason why these terrorists have the guts to bomb WTC was because Bill Clinton ignored what Al Qaeda have been doing during his presidency.
Paul Schiffer, a military aid to Clinton wrote a best seller 'Dereliction of Duty' puts it very well from first hand up close. Those who want to know what really happened should read the book.
I think the fact that CNN and other liberal media tried to paint Bush as a dummy triggered the timing of the attack as well at the beginning of his presidency. The Arabs took cue from CNN that Bush was dumb and gambled wrongly. They took on a Texan cowboy and lost a piece of real estate in Afghanistan in the process.