Christian students beheaded
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Vindicated is the biggest troll here. He throws personal insults like his lanjiao parents own this forum.Originally posted by laurence82:I am scared
No mods, the trolls zuo luan already...
Even Dragg and Reno kena before. -
You are guilty too. Dont talk...Originally posted by iveco:Vindicated is the biggest troll here. He throws personal insults like his lanjiao parents own this forum. -
To those fellow citizens who are concerned for this country, this is a problem, isn't it?Originally posted by hisoka:as far as i could discern you can be charged for sedition for anything since the definition is so freaking vague
It is not so much as how the Sedition Act is defined, not so much as how the Act has wide interpretion and not so much as how selective it is used.
The problem is - How can we be assured that sometime in the future, if a rogue govt comes to power, it won't make use of this Act to curb political freedom and to make us a totalitarian state? Unless all of us believes that the PAP is eternal or that Singapore is a nation capable of lasting as long as when LKY is around?
As I said in another posting, the ISA has key objective- meant for dangerious political prisoner of conscious. Dafamation and libel also has key objective- meant for private individual to sue another private individual, such as divorcing couple, business partners' dispute.
While the Sediton Act seems logical in curbing fanatic, bigotry, racist, hate advocator, what is the parameter of this Act? Or has it any?
Else who can guarantee there won't come a time where a rogue govt turns the same Act, which meant to protect us, on us- the ordinary citizen? to curb our political freedom? -
everything also threaten sedition act...just like people who threatened litigation every other day
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The recent Sedition Act charges on bloggers and forumners are so stupid.
We Singaporeans criticise each other race and religion always to pass time, thats why we have racial and religious harmony. If we become so sensitive to such remarks and avoid them altogether, it will break the very gel that actually holds us close together. -
i agree too, the Sedition Act is being more sensitive than us. when my chinese classmates made a joke abt indians, even my indian classmates are able to take it and laugh along.. or sometimes even 'suan' back..Originally posted by Salman:The recent Sedition Act charges on bloggers and forumners are so stupid.
We Singaporeans criticise each other race and religion always to pass time, thats why we have racial and religious harmony. If we become so sensitive to such remarks and avoid them altogether, it will break the very gel that actually holds us close together.
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i doubt christians would retaliate. unless the parents of the victims want revenge and go on a solo hunt or smth. shrugs.
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some either not in the know or in denial of 2000...Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i doubt christians would retaliate. unless the parents of the victims want revenge and go on a solo hunt or smth. shrugs. -
Well, some sense has prevailed, at least in Abu Bakar Bashir's case:
Indonesia gives no holiday sentence cut to Bashir
JAKARTA : Nov 3 (AFP) - Indonesia did not grant a sentence reduction to jailed hardline Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir to mark a major Islamic holiday on Thursday, in a move likely to please Australia but spark displeasure at home.
Bashir was handed a 30-month sentence in March for his role in the 2002 Bali bombings but was granted a more than four-month reduction in August, provoking furore in Australia, home to 88 of the 202 people killed.
However, the 67-year-old cleric's name was not on a list of prisoners from his jail whose prison term was cut to mark Thursday's Eid al-Fitr, the end of the holy month of Ramadan.
"Ustadz (teacher) was not given any sentence cut, but he accepts it readily," cleric Fauzan Al-Anshori from the Indonesian Mujahidin Council (MMI), which Bashir chairs, told AFP after visiting him at Jakarta's Cipinang jail.
Australia had aired protests against any plan by Indonesia to reduce the sentence of Bashir, who is accused by some foreign governments of being the spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiyah Islamic militant group, blamed for the 2002 Bali blasts as well as a string of other attacks in Southeast Asia.
Al-Anshori said that Bashir was unsurprised at the decision and called on Muslims, who are likely to react angrily to the move, to accept it.
"He also condemned the Australian regime, which continues to intervene in the affairs of the Indonesian state," Al-Anshori said.
Deputy chairman of the hardline MMI, Irfan Suryahadi Awwas, told AFP that the council would meet as soon as possible to decide what action to take, such as protesting to parliament or possibly lodging a complaint with the Constitutional Court.
"I do not see how the Ustadz violated jail rules. If there were no violations, then it is certainly a political decision," he said, noting that sentence cuts are usually only not awarded if prisoners misbehave.
"If a foreign government can intervene in our legal system, where is our pride?" he said, referring to Australia's objections.
Bashir was arrested a week after the Bali bombings and first put on trial the following year, but the terrorism charges were thrown out. However he was then found guilty of immigration offences and jailed.
Police rearrested him in April last year as he left prison after serving the immigration sentence.
Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer raised the sensitive issue of remissions with his Indonesian counterpart Hassan Wirayuda earlier this month during a visit to Bali.
Wirayuda said afterwards that he had assured Downer no further cuts would be given this year, but Indonesia's justice minister Hamid Awaluddin later said that they would go ahead as normal in line with the country's laws.
Bromo Setiono, the head of the Kerobokan jail in Bali, told AFP he was waiting for a response from Jakarta to his request that 18 militants imprisoned on the island for minor roles in the 2002 bombings receive remissions.
Three of the plotters are on death row elsewhere, as are two others jailed for life, who are ineligible for the cuts.
Under a remissions decree, prisoners who have served six months to one year are eligible for a one-month sentence cut and those serving more than one year could get two months struck off.
Bashir has condemned the latest Bali attacks of October 1, which claimed 20 lives and those of three suicide bombers, saying that bombings in non-combat zones would only claim innocent victims. - AFP/de -
Christians and Muslims have been fighting all over the world for many centuries. Are we so naive to think that peace is in sight? For as long as there is a Christian and Muslim still standing, there will be no end to the woes they have brought and will bring in future. The end is near.
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No... it's the pope and Saladin. They have some friction against each other. for no reasons, the pope attacked the Holy Land causing the peace-loving Moslems to fight back. They're being driven mad, and in a mad state they dun call it Paranoid, they call it Jihad!Originally posted by highway69:Christians and Muslims have been fighting all over the world for many centuries. Are we so naive to think that peace is in sight? For as long as there is a Christian and Muslim still standing, there will be no end to the woes they have brought and will bring in future. The end is near.
And as for the pope, he and his decending popes lost a total of 10 crusades and ran away from the Mad Dog land.
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More trouble to come out of Sulawesi.
Gunmen shoot and wound two girls in Indonesia's Poso
JAKARTA : Gunmen have shot and seriously wounded two girls in the latest violence to hit the religiously-divided town of Poso in Indonesia's Central Sulawesi province, police said.
Two men on a motorcycle shot and wounded the two girls as they sat in front of their boarding house in Poso in the early evening, district police officer Lariwu told AFP.
The attack follows the beheadings of three Christian schoolgirls last month, who were ambushed by masked machete-wielding attackers as they walked to school.
Muslim extremists have been linked to bombings, shootings and other attacks targeting Christians in the area over the last two years.
"The two high school students were wounded in the head and rushed to Poso general hospital," Lariwu said. He did not divulge the religion of the girls.
The Kompas daily identified the pair as Siti Nurani -- an apparently Muslim name -- and Ivon, both aged 17.
It said the boarding house was a few metres from a police post and quoted witnesses as saying that after firing four shots, the assailants fled and were chased by police, with several more shots fired.
After the beheadings, about 400 police and 600 troops were quickly sent to Poso amid fears that the killings would reignite widespread religious violence that killed more than 1,000 people between 2000 and 2001 in the area.
A government-brokered truce was put in place in December 2001 but intermittent bombings, shootings and other attacks targeting Christians have continued. Muslim extremists are believed to be linked to them.
Police have also defused at least two home-made bombs left in front of houses in downtown Poso in recent weeks.
Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim-populated nation, but Christians and Muslims live in roughly equal numbers in parts of the eastern island chain of Sulawesi and in Maluku.
- AFP /ct