Dalai Lama to ask Bush to help resolve Tibet issue: envoy
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WASHINGTON: Tibet's spiritual leader the Dalai Lama will appeal to US President George W. Bush in talks this month to prod Chinese leader Hu Jintao to give genuine autonomy to the Himalayan territory, an official said.
The meeting with Bush is to take place during the Dalai Lama's high-profile 10-day visit to Washington beginning November 8, said Lodi Gyaltsen Gyari, the Tibetan leader's special envoy.
"Obviously His Holiness will ask the president to take the opportunity to once again convey to the Chinese leadership His Holiness's sincerity and commitment to finding a solution (to the Tibetan question)," he told reporters.
Gyari said the Dalai Lama would stress to Bush in his third meeting with the US leader since he took office in 2001 that the Tibetans were not seeking independence but "the right to self governance."
"I must say that President Bush, on this issue, has been consistent and we very much appreciate his strong support.
"He does it not because he is pro-Tibet or anti-Chinese but because he understands that resolving the Tibetan issue can bring more stability in that part of the region," Gyari said.
Bush, whose previous two meetings with the Dalai Lama drew angry complaints from China, is scheduled to visit Beijing on November 19 for talks with Hu and is expected to raise the Tibet issue with him.
Bush is expected to "raise the Tibet issue is a strong manner," Gyari said, basing the prediction on the US president's past meetings with the Chinese leadership.
The Dalai Lama, 70, has lived in India since he fled from Chinese troops in 1959, basing his government-in-exile in the hill-top northern Indian town of Dharamsala.
Beijing formally established a Tibetan Autonomous Region in 1965 but Gyari said there was no genuine autonomy.
The Dalai Lama, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989 for his non-violent struggle for Tibet, has been pushing for greater autonomy for the Himalayan kingdom, as the head of an unrecognised government and de facto diplomat.
The International Campaign for Tibet, a group spearheading a campaign for human rights and democratic freedoms for the people of Tibet, said the Dalai Lama was coming to Washington at a "key moment," citing the current Sino-Tibetan dialogue on the territory's future status.
The first-ever talks between the Dalai Lama's envoys and Beijing officials outside Chinese soil were held in the Swiss capital Berne in July.
The talks were the fourth between the two sides since direct links were resumed in 2002.
Gyari said he hoped there would be another meeting with the Chinese before the end of the year.
"This possibility had been conveyed to me by my Chinese counterpart," he said.
Chinese President Hu, once Communist Party secretary of the Tibet Autonomous Region, recently reasserted Beijing's claim that Tibet had been an "inalienable part of Chinese territory" from the 13th century onward.
The Dalai Lama "has remarked several times in the past that he would like to see President Hu as someone much more easier to engage because of his personal knowledge of Tibet," Gyari said. - AFP/de -
First. Dalai Lama should decide long a ago to either be a politician or a spiritual leader and not both. It is easier to play one role than to be both and to fight his cause according to that one role he has choosen.
Second. If he preaches patience, tolerence and non-violence in dealing with China, he should stick to them. He should have faith in his beliefs and not hasten this process because now he is old and departing. -
haha.
US cant even solve their problems with china. do they have time to meddle in tibet's. -
It doesnt work this way. Since age immemorial, a Dalai Lama is the head of Tibet, as well as its spiritual leader. Been their culture like that for ages.Originally posted by pat33:First. Dalai Lama should decide long a ago to either be a politician or a spiritual leader and not both. It is easier to play one role than to be both and to fight his cause according to that one role he has choosen.
Second. If he preaches patience, tolerence and non-violence in dealing with China, he should stick to them. He should have faith in his beliefs and not hasten this process because now he is old and departing.
You cant just impose the modern concept of separation of church and state onto Tibet. Naturally, as a Tibetan, he would be concerned that his people would be free. We all know how barbaric and idiotic the Commies can be.
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I think it is abt time they talk abt the autonomy of tibet at handOriginally posted by laurence82:It doesnt work this way. Since age immemorial, a Dalai Lama is the head of Tibet, as well as its spiritual leader. Been their culture like that for ages.
You cant just impose the modern concept of separation of church and state onto Tibet. Naturally, as a Tibetan, he would be concerned that his people would be free. We all know how barbaric and idiotic the Commies can be.
Secondly, is there anywhere it suggest he is advocating violence ad intolerance?
the chinese wont lose much by letting Dalai Lama come back as political and religious head of state , they still have the people of Tibet trust
those past commies who commit atrocities even C. Mao now in Purgatory liao
But one thing for certain , what is the status going to give to Dalai Lama ?
when those Conservatives of the CCP or "yuan Lao" still there
I think Dalai Lama will best be outside of TIbet.
He dun feel comfortable to rest in Potala and waking up with the Red Guards Standing outside , how hard to perform morning ritual.even a wooden stick for hitting the wooden fish is deem a weapon to the Reds. -
Pat ,for your info the past Dalai Lama was the Political Ruler of Tibet during the Mongolian RuleOriginally posted by pat33:First. Dalai Lama should decide long a ago to either be a politician or a spiritual leader and not both. It is easier to play one role than to be both and to fight his cause according to that one role he has choosen.
Second. If he preaches patience, tolerence and non-violence in dealing with China, he should stick to them. He should have faith in his beliefs and not hasten this process because now he is old and departing.
Dalai Lama was to ensure the stability of the Tibet Region ,due to many fightings among the warriors and the thieves in Tibet Plateau
If he given up the Political status , He will not be able to do much to ensure the stability in the Tibet region
nah , a governor cant do that , unless that governor is a tibetan and knows the tibet culture and custom and religion very welll and handle with great tact -
yep, about time, Pop also used to be the political ruler and you know when it's darkest eraOriginally posted by bohiruci:Pat ,for your info the past Dalai Lama was the Political Ruler of Tibet during the Mongolian Rule
Dalai Lama was to ensure the stability of the Tibet Region ,due to many fightings among the warriors and the thieves in Tibet Plateau
If he given up the Political status , He will not be able to do much to ensure the stability in the Tibet region
nah , a governor cant do that , unless that governor is a tibetan and knows the tibet culture and custom and religion very welll and handle with great tact
When Pop can change his status, why till 21st centrary, the less influencing tibetan monk can't change ?
You know when it's Tibetan Middle age till 1950s? When most of tibetans are serf ? And the ranked Monks called Lama have the asolute power over those serves?
ya, If you know some history back, U would be impressed how "well " they handled Tibet with such "great" tact like excruciations and Executions -
Using past data to forecast future outcomes?Originally posted by 38�Ž:yep, about time, Pop also used to be the political ruler and you know when it's darkest era
When Pop can change his status, why till 21st centrary, the less influencing tibetan monk can't change ?
You know when it's Tibetan Middle age till 1950s? When most of tibetans are serf ? And the ranked Monks called Lama have the asolute power over those serves?
ya, If you know some history back, U would be impressed how "well " they handled Tibet with such "great" tact like excruciations and Executions
So it means the present Dalai Lama is going to be a dictator and the lay the path for more excruciating rule than Commies?
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In the first place, Buddhists around the world don't pray facing Lhasa like the way Muslims pray facing Mecca. They are also autonomous, while Catholics give credit to Rome over their home states.Originally posted by 38�Ž:yep, about time, Pop also used to be the political ruler and you know when it's darkest era
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Which old spiritual and political leader didnt abused their power? The caliphs of Baghdad, the Pope in Rome....but people forget that we live in the 21st century, they dont do this anymore, no mainstream faith has this problemOriginally posted by iveco:In the first place, Buddhists around the world don't pray facing Lhasa like the way Muslims pray facing Mecca. They are also autonomous, while Catholics give credit to Rome over their home states.
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Still, the fact that Ben 16th's office holds immense political clout doesn't go down very well with me.Originally posted by laurence82:Which old spiritual and political leader didnt abused their power? The caliphs of Baghdad, the Pope in Rome....but people forget that we live in the 21st century, they dont do this anymore, no mainstream faith has this problem
now
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U just want him to unban ur Arry Pothead stuff larOriginally posted by iveco:Still, the fact that Ben 16th's office holds immense political clout doesn't go down very well with me. -
That is besides the point. The fact is that the Papacy interferes directly with policy making many a time. Even legislators (and voters) have their free will.Originally posted by laurence82:U just want him to unban ur Arry Pothead stuff lar -
Wait wait, with whose policy making?Originally posted by iveco:That is besides the point. The fact is that the Papacy interferes directly with policy making many a time. Even legislators (and voters) have their free will. -
The influence of the Papacy is helping the Republican cause in USA. It seems that more Catholics are voting for Bush's party, according to one report Honeybunz posted 2 nights ago.Originally posted by laurence82:Wait wait, with whose policy making? -
Hope they will ban Arry Pothead in US....Originally posted by iveco:The influence of the Papacy is helping the Republican cause in USA. It seems that more Catholics are voting for Bush's party, according to one report Honeybunz posted 2 nights ago. -
That's the problems u r facing. Ur shallow knowledge on the tibetan culture Cripples ur somewhat wild claims. ( P.S: Don't solely use western media as your input, specially those Hollywood)Originally posted by iveco:In the first place, Buddhists around the world don't pray facing Lhasa like the way Muslims pray facing Mecca. They are also autonomous, while Catholics give credit to Rome over their home states.
How you know Tibetan NOT facing Lhasa's the Potala Palace when they come to the holy place for thier pray?
Actually I can tell you Tibetans are the most devout prayers in the world. To them, Their " Mecca" is the Potala Palace in Lhasa. when they come to their holy place for praying, they can't take any transportations and have to rely on their legs to cover the whole distance, That's not all, They also will knee down towards Lhasa for praying once when walk every 5 steps. When they knee down, their limbs have to fully touch the ground in order to show their throughout devotion to their God -
That is very true...but god? huh?Originally posted by 38�Ž:That's the problems u r facing. Ur shallow knowledge on the tibetan culture Cripples ur somewhat wild claims. ( P.S: Don't solely use western media as your input, specially those Hollywood)
How you know Tibetan NOT facing Lhasa's the Potala Palace when they come to the holy place for thier pray?
Actually I can tell you Tibetans are the most devout prayers in the world. To them, Their " Mecca" is the Potala Palace in Lhasa. when they come to their holy place for praying, they can't take any transportations and have to rely on their legs to cover the whole distance, That's not all, They also will knee down towards Lhasa for praying once when walk every 5 steps. When they knee down, their limbs have to fully touch the ground in order to show their throughout devotion to their God -
Mahayana Buddhists don't do that. My former neighbour was one of them.Originally posted by 38�Ž:That's the problems u r facing. Ur shallow knowledge on the tibetan culture Cripples ur somewhat wild claims. ( P.S: Don't solely use western media as your input, specially those Hollywood)
How you know Tibetan NOT facing Lhasa's the Potala Palace when they come to the holy place for thier pray?
Actually I can tell you Tibetans are the most devout prayers in the world. To them, Their " Mecca" is the Potala Palace in Lhasa. when they come to their holy place for praying, they can't take any transportations and have to rely on their legs to cover the whole distance, That's not all, They also will knee down towards Lhasa for praying once when walk every 5 steps. When they knee down, their limbs have to fully touch the ground in order to show their throughout devotion to their God -
He says Tibetan, or you visually impaired?Originally posted by iveco:Mahayana Buddhists don't do that. My former neighbour was one of them. -
And never in any of my posts did I ever mention Tibetan Buddhists. I was referring to Buddhists in general.Originally posted by laurence82:He says Tibetan, or you visually impaired?
Seriously, you act as if you have something against me. No wonder HCRC put you on blacklist. There is something terribly wrong with your nature. -
No wonder the whole forum put you on their blacklist, when he refers to the Tibetans and you gey gao talk another thingOriginally posted by iveco:And never in any of my posts did I ever mention Tibetan Buddhists. I was referring to Buddhists in general.
Seriously, you act as if you have something against me. No wonder HCRC put you on blacklist. There is something terribly wrong with your nature.
HR dont know what C people in a mess liao, threat to me meh? -
Look here, 38Z is implying that certain Buddhists mix religion and politics. As far as I know, Buddhists are more liberal-minded than most Christians. I remember Earthlings once said that Dalai Lama recognises the status of LGBTs in society (or something to that effect).Originally posted by laurence82:No wonder the whole forum put you on their blacklist, when he refers to the Tibetans and you gey gao talk another thing
HR dont know what C people in a mess liao, threat to me meh? -
Dalai Lama long ago already not in the Potala Place, but Tibetans still repeat their practice even today.Originally posted by laurence82:That is very true...but god? huh?
Because their god still in their holy palace, with or without Dalai Lama
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Tibetan culture a bit mix mashed, of Tibetan gods and Buddhism.Originally posted by 38�Ž:Dalai Lama long ago already not in the Potala Place, but Tibetans still repeat their practice even today.
Because their god still in their holy palace, with or without Dalai Lama
But i dont know of any 'god' in Potala...