i confirm, it is not the peranakans, as peranakans are mixed chinese and malays, and they originate from Malacca.Originally posted by eagle:The original occupants were called peranakans, I think. Not very sure abt them though. Malays I not sure also.
But I agree that a lot of Chinese pple nowadays here in Singapore. Not becuz they took over the land, it is becuz the British wanted to developed Singapore, and the fastest way to increase working population is thru immigration for a newly developed small country. China at that time was undergoing some war if I remembered the history textbook correctly, and some unrest. This serves as a push factor, and coupled along wif the pull factor from Singapore, the Chinese came in large groups to Singapore. Whereas for India, they not so much unrest, and it is already a British colony, and British need them to develop their colony. (juz tot of this only) So less Indians came?
And LKY was afraid of a uprising due to racial riots, and maybe due to the fact that a lot of Chinese here on this originally 'Malay' land. He set the national language as Malay, and national anthem in Malay also...
Juz my 1 cent worth of views... Feel free to critic...
Originally posted by Shotgun:Malayland? Hahah sounds like some people's dream. Ever saw the army advertisement? "what You can't defend, you don't own."
This sounds like one of those sick Malay superiority propaganda purposely spilled into Singapore by some no-brain malay politician up north. Singaporeans are Singaporeans, there is no Chinese land, malayland. Singapore belongs to all of us. We built it together. So tell those fuckheads to kindly shove an umbrella up the ass of whoever spreading these vicious ideas.
History can only serve as lessons for the future generations...Originally posted by sure_or_not?:Hey, i don't mind shoving up the umbrella up their asses for spilling this idealism, but, what u mentioned doesn't make sense. "What you can't defend, you don't own." huh? isn't the army very offensive? u mean, even if in the first place the land obviously belongs to the malays, and the chinese came and took over it, and became the "superior" race, and it is the fault of the malays that they cannot defend the land from "invading chinese from china"???
u contradict man. then, u said, singaporeans are singaporeans. there are no chinese, no malays, so u saying that Singaporeans=chinese in some intangible ways, as evidently shown by the present state if singapore now, everything chinese, from signs to everything, the only reason why they kept the national anthem malay, is because they do not want to start some sort of civil riot.
well, watever it is, those ppl did bring up an issue, which many singaporeans or rather the malays have been ignorant of, due to the "pacification" of the government.
watever it is, it doesn't matter, as long as Singapore is peaceful on the surface, but deep inside our hearts and mind, we know the issue exactly, it is just that it is politically correct to express such feelings, especially when u come from the majority and 'superior' race.
yah, sure thing. ur timeline, i don't quite think it's accurate anyway. the natives of Singapore are the Malays, u can go up to the first civilisation. Heard of Sang Nila Utama? since when, we learn Chinese from southern china or Orang Utan all these? make no sense u know. If u were to ask a historian, he/she would confirm that Singapore's first HUMAN civilization was from the malay-origins.Originally posted by tripwire:50 years ago... singapore is owned by the british as a colony... so that would make the brits the owner of present day singapore.
200 years ago... singapore is owned by a group of malay fisherman... so that would make the malays the owner of present day singapore.
32000 years ago.... singapore is owned by chinese from southern china... so that would make the chinese the owner of present day singapore...
1,000,000 years ago... singapore was owned by the orang utan... so that would make the orang utan the owner of present day singapore....
wat if tomolo some archaeologist found a chinese artifact dating more then 4000 years ago in singapore.... r we then gonna say that singapore was previously owned by china???? and that the malays are the ursurper of a land once belong to chinese???
SO.... as can be seen... historical.... cannot be used as judgement of who owns a land without legal support.
yah, yah, ok. you are correct! no point arguing. Yes, this land is a land of Singaporeans. Ok. anyway, wateva.Originally posted by Shotgun:LOL!! Lets put it this way. Singapore is NOW owned by Singaporeans. Chinese, Malays, Indians who have settled on these lands. Why are there Chinese Signs everywhere? Cos the majority of the population is Chinese. Doh. Its not as if the signs were road signs or anything. All Singapore Road signs are in English. Im sure all educated Singaporeans can read that.
America was the land of the "red indians." What is it today? Who owns it? How do you determine ownership in the first place? What makes you think we pitiful humans have the right to stake a claim on Earth? In a sense, we are all just residents on our land, and we will soon pass, and whoever who comes next will inherit it.
hahaha... LOL! u think this is a dream, this is reality... if everyone would think like u that there is one human race, we wouldn't even have this topic to discuss about.Originally posted by homer:I think it is unfair to call Malay land or Chinese land. Genetically there is one human race. Scienctist believe all humans come from 7 women in Africa, should we call singapore..... Africa Land then?
hmmm.... amen! Singapore will drown sooner or later. Don't believe what the garmen says about 'oh, Singapore will regain back its economic growth in about 4-5 yrs time'. Forget it. There are so many other countries which MNCs would like to set their offices and businesses in, due to many factors, rather than Singapore.Originally posted by Illegal Operation:Malay land or not, the fact still remains. Singapore is one insignificant little red dot surrounded by Muslim countries.
If Singapore might sink into the bottom of the sea tommorow, the world still revolves. Humble yourselves.
So what are u trying to say?? Are u happy if Singapore cannot achieve high economic growth?Originally posted by sure_or_not?:hmmm.... amen! Singapore will drown sooner or later. Don't believe what the garmen says about 'oh, Singapore will regain back its economic growth in about 4-5 yrs time'. Forget it. There are so many other countries which MNCs would like to set their offices and businesses in, due to many factors, rather than Singapore.
ok, u made a very excellent point, Malay land or not, we have to humble ourselves. Ok. Self humbled. If only saying was easy as doing, i would have saved the world a few minutes ago. Watever it is, i personally feel that, Singapore will never be able to achieve the growth it has achieved for the past few decades. So prepare for a ride of ur life!
and wat makes u an expert in this? sure or not about you are saying? dun tok as if you are very clever or intellectual like dat. By defending those who i presumely "criticised" doesn't mean you are correct either. Hey, this is a forum, i can post any views i have, even if it on the postings ppl made. Why? u think forum is Singapore is it? whereby we cannot have freedom of speech and expression? i say wat u want, and u say wat u want... understand? yah, so wat if i whine, and i am immatured? it is ur view, and i have my own views about other postings, and these ppl have their views on the topics. So u mean, i am suppose to passively accept anything anyone has to say, like urself? wake up... unless u are a kid, u would listen to ur mom, and does as she told u so. this is an adult world, i can think for my own, and i can shout as loud as i want to, but hello! i wasn't shouting, wat makes u think i was shouting??? this is forum full of words, dun tell me you can hear the words screaming out to u, if yes, i advise you seek psychological help, u really need one.Originally posted by wave:So what are u trying to say?? Are u happy if Singapore cannot achieve high economic growth?
After looking at all your previous postings, it appears that u are sort of like making yourself a fool here.
Initially, u started this topic with the desire of getting some "answers". U should be glad that several people has taken the effort to reply & get themself involve in the discussion; but however, u are acting very negatively with the replies.
In an earlier post, u said something like "looking for some intellectual people to discuss a topic". Actually there are indeed quite some intellectual people in this forum, & they have been trying to explain by using some examples...& it was u who don't get what the others are trying to say ...in the end,u started to get impatient & shouted back at everyone. So if u feel that all these are too much for u, pls leave this forum & don't anyhow start a topic in the future.
Also, in some earlier posts, u quoted:
"duh!... silly topic, ah... forget it, i am not going to go into this liao, it is so obvious wat is the truth. thanks anyway."
"yah, yah, ok. you are correct! no point arguing. Yes, this land is a land of Singaporeans. Ok. anyway, wateva."
"ok... enuff... i will die of ridiculous postings, then die of anything else... stop... i had enuff... thanks anywae for tryin..."
So, what are u trying to say or trying to do? Feel like quiting this topic or forum?? If that's so, then why are u still here & even continue to post sensitive topics? U can't bear to leave this wonderful forum?
Well, it seems like u got some attitude problem (with some degree of anti-nation & anti-social mentality). Don't say that i'm trying to teach u or what, but it's time for u to take a look at your own immature behaviour in the postings. Of course no one will stop u from further postings, but u just make yourself looking funny.
In conclusion, perhaps ur behaviour can be describe as:
"an immature kid who suddenly get into a room (full of people) & started to shout for answers to a particular question. And the people there responded by explaining to him about what is more appropriate. Examples was also given by them to aid their explanation. BUT the kid was unsatisfied with the answers & shouted at those in the room. After a while, he got more frustrated & shout things like "oh, i going to quit, I'm had enough, Ya, u are right, I'm not going into this anymore". But unaware of his own immature attitude, he still remains in the room, grumbling & trying to think of more irrelevant topics."
Getting angry?? Well, that's great! That's what i want to see! From all your previous posts, I know that u are a weird person & gets angry very easily. So thanks for proving it to everyone!Originally posted by wave:does this answer ur doubts about why i am behaving like this? Social Scientist!
eh, wait last thing, go to hell, if u can!

Da Jia Hao!!!Wo Shi Qing Chun Ou Siang Kang Kang!![This message has been edited by kangkang (edited 15 January 2002).]
eh damn it... i didn't manage to see ur posting before u edited it... must be something horrible u mention about malays... well watever it is, you are one big asshole! you male chinese chauvinistiv piece of shit!Originally posted by kangkang:oh..just shut up, without the chinese and LKY group of ppl...singapore will still be a fishing village...under malaysia control.what did the malays do?they did nothing and sit back.do u know why malays are mostly poor and very very few are rich??cos they are lazy and not hardworking.do u know why our army got few malays?cos they might turn their back and shoot at us.u might say it's not true, but under my blk carpark there are some malay pigs with malaysia flag sticker on their bike see how loyal are they to their 'motherland' as LKY is clever not to let malays dominate into the army..
Originally posted by sure_or_not?:haha..if u dont give a shit anymore why still need to reply...
eh damn it... i didn't manage to see ur posting before u edited it... must be something horrible u mention about malays... well watever it is, you are one big asshole! you male chinese chauvinistiv piece of shit!
yah sure, without, LKY and the chinese ppl, singapore would remain as a fishing village... has it ever occured to u, that Malaysia, run by the malays, is not a fishing village anymore, in fact, it is one of the fastest developing nations in the world. U r sometimes, very stupid. wait, make it all the time.
i know it's great to curse other races, criticise them, and so on, makes u feel good, to do something which you would usually get caught in the singapore, but with a forum like dis, you can do anything u want without thinking, and get away with it...
yah, i think u should grow up. but wait, why bother? i dun even give a damn about u. If u can die, or kill urself, eh... it might make singapore a better place, know?
so do watever u want. u brat. i dun give a shit anymore!

Da Jia Hao!!!Wo Shi Qing Chun Ou Siang Kang Kang!![This message has been edited by kangkang (edited 16 January 2002).]