How can the government create more jobs
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temasek should invest more overseas and reduce their stakes in listed companies in singapore.
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hmm ... my take on this is slightly different.
attract more MNEs and form domestic supplier clusters around these firms. Try and capture the externality spillovers that occur from this relationship. The problem that s'poreans face is a lack of entrepreneurship.. therefore, use the MNEs to develop the required supplier network and reduce the market risk for the smaller SMEs.
Foreign talent is necessary. without foreign talent and flexibility of the workforce, MNEs might not choose to come to S'pore. human capital is increasing playing an important resource in the competitiveness of firms, and therefore lower cost workforce is contigent for MNEs in their decision to locate here. i am straying a bit... but wad i'm saying is... build a niche knowledge sector (like how we did for precision engineering and the bio tech industry) by leveraging on the MNEs. -
I am not here to dispute the pros and cons of foreign restrictions. But there is no quota for professional foreign entry into Singapore. But if you are talking about other difficulties, yes many.Originally posted by Salman:Not true, there are quotas in place. You are not aware of it because you don't run a company.
A lot of start ups simply cannot take place w/o Indian professionals. Same for MNCs. They would have left if they were not allowed to hire these educated foreigners cos locals don't want such jobs. The result would be, locals will not have any jobs at all if the MNCs pull out.
Salman, it is becoming clear from the manner you wrote that you argue for the sake of argument, is not it? Other people's point of views are all wrong but only your are correct. You want people to be balance and factual but your are highly personal and unfactual as well. -
Right on man. The formula has worked and is still working.Originally posted by ben1xy:hmm ... my take on this is slightly different.
attract more MNEs and form domestic supplier clusters around these firms. Try and capture the externality spillovers that occur from this relationship. The problem that s'poreans face is a lack of entrepreneurship.. therefore, use the MNEs to develop the required supplier network and reduce the market risk for the smaller SMEs. [/quote]
Been there, done that.
Singaporeans do lack entrepreneurship. The fact that the people blame the govt for this and that and look to the govt for solutions underscores this attitude. Taiwanese and Hongkongers don't whine like we do. Thats because they are truely entreprenurial.
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Foreign talent is necessary. without foreign talent and flexibility of the workforce, MNEs might not choose to come to S'pore. human capital is increasing playing an important resource in the competitiveness of firms, and therefore lower cost workforce is contigent for MNEs in their decision to locate here. i am straying a bit... but wad i'm saying is... build a niche knowledge sector (like how we did for precision engineering and the bio tech industry) by leveraging on the MNEs. -
meritocracy is wad caused this problem. but the government has been trying to inculcate entrepreneurship these days right? Don't think it'll be easy. u can't change a mindset that has been in place for the past 40years overnight.Originally posted by Salman:Been there, done that.
Singaporeans do lack entrepreneurship. The fact that the people blame the govt for this and that and look to the govt for solutions underscores this attitude. Taiwanese and Hongkongers don't whine like we do. Thats because they are truely entreprenurial.
and from another perspective. the citizens have a right to complain. they voted the government in to represent their interest.. so if they can't find jobs the government should be accountable. i'm not advocating a welfare system (the day s'pore adopts this... is the day our competitiveness ends - adverse selection.. enough said) but i do hope to see the government setting in place social safety nets.
What abt overseas job placement? it's just a thought.. although i dun think its feasible.
this is indeed a problematic issue.
o and 1 thing that i am pissed abt.. is the government adopting contract employment. i am really dissapointed with that. -
I think the govt's real fault is to make life too comfortable for Singaporeans. So much so that we become soft and uncompetitive.
Even the army is getting soft fat and thick today. My reservist unit embarassed our CO in protest in front of Thai officers in Thailand over having to wait and having not enough tables in the Thai canteen.
Singapore is such a clean and convenient place. Singaporeans go overseas and complain about everything wherever they are. too dirty, too slow, too troublesome bla bla bla............ so arrogant and unable to adapt, its embarassing.
I suggest we lengthen our NS to three years and make our boys station 1 year each in Thailand to train under the Thais. This will solve the problem of arrogance, laziness and complacency and kick our economy into creating a boom and lots of jobs. -
i do not disagree with the first paragraph.Originally posted by Salman:Singapore is such a clean and convenient place. Singaporeans go overseas and complain about everything wherever they are. too dirty, too slow, too troublesome bla bla bla............ so arrogant and unable to adapt, its embarassing.
I suggest we lengthen our NS to three years and make our boys station 1 year each in Thailand to train under the Thais. This will solve the problem of arrogance, laziness and complacency and kick our economy into creating a boom and lots of jobs.
the 2nd.. i beg to differ. i say we follow Germany's example and bring it down to 1 year. (i ain't too sure the exact duration but i know its shorter than s'pore)
if a country is cosy and everything is going well... it will be hard to inculcate entrepreneurship. its not easy starting up a business anyway.
but its nice to see S'poreans viewing their opinions abt the govt. it acts as a check and balance at the very least
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Germans do 18 mths of NS.
They are getting soft too, thats why they are in recession for such a long time.
And you can foirget abt entrepreneurialship among Germans. The taxes are so high & hiring labour policies so socialist that its better to work for others.
I blamer spoilt upbringing of brats with no brains like Robert Teh for our problems. Whine whine, whine whine, complain coimplain complain. Losers who cannot stand hardship, don't want to work hard and compete. -
first paragraph- i got my own explanation for the German recession. but that will be out of point.Originally posted by Salman:Germans do 18 mths of NS.
They are getting soft too, thats why they are in recession for such a long time.
And you can foirget abt entrepreneurialship among Germans. The taxes are so high & hiring labour policies so socialist that its better to work for others.
I blamer spoilt upbringing of brats with no brains like Robert Teh for our problems. Whine whine, whine whine, complain coimplain complain. Losers who cannot stand hardship, don't want to work hard and compete.
2nd paragraph- name calling wun get us anywhere
sometimes it is not fair to judge whether a person is just a whiner. some tried hard ... some get retrenched when they r 40 and can't find jobs. so they r entitled to lobby for what they deem is right.
contrary to what u might imagine.. i am on your side. i think s'poreans are spoilt and soft. but thats because both u n i subscribe to the school of hard knocks. people might not concur.. and they have every right not too.
Robert a whiner? maybe. but he is making his view known. which IMO is a brave feat in S'pore.
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Good to share the same view with you on the school of hard knocks. We Singaporeans need that to survive and build this country.
I don't think it takes any kind of bravery to whine and complain. Its always easy to complain and find fault. Anyway I named Robert for shock treatment effect. Hope he gets the idea and shake off from his anti mentality. I think he's too anti and he honestly think what he is writing is correct. -
40 and cant find job?Originally posted by ben1xy:first paragraph- i got my own explanation for the German recession. but that will be out of point.
2nd paragraph- name calling wun get us anywhere
sometimes it is not fair to judge whether a person is just a whiner. some tried hard ... some get retrenched when they r 40 and can't find jobs. so they r entitled to lobby for what they deem is right.
contrary to what u might imagine.. i am on your side. i think s'poreans are spoilt and soft. but thats because both u n i subscribe to the school of hard knocks. people might not concur.. and they have every right not too.
Robert a whiner? maybe. but he is making his view known. which IMO is a brave feat in S'pore.
sounds familiar.
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ooo sorryOriginally posted by dragg:40 and cant find job?
sounds familiar.
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I've been to America and seen how people work. They have this professionalism and learning attitude about them even when their hair turns white.
For Singaporeans, they turn dead wood and focus on politics and keeping young people down once they reach 35. Is it any wonder that many are jobless at 40? -
this is a sweeping statement.
americans are only interested in their own market. they provide one of the worst service. -
Yes, that is my general observation.
Their old folks will go active about life while our old folks are inactive and shrink fatser. Its an outlook towards life i guess.
Singaporeans are somewhat unwilling to learn compared to Americans at an older age. I think its because they have a mature economy while we started industrailising only in the 70s. Its a very different attitude towards work. Perhaps it is changing but we have some way to go. -
but are there job opportunities for the aged in US?
in singapore the jobs are mostly cleaners and security guards. -
Not true. People are unwilling to hire 40 somethings because they know very well that many are proud, not wilkling to get their hands dirty like angmos.
There is a market for 40 or 50 + people in US because they function like young people and are still very productive. You will know if you have worked in the US. -
but it is not just about getting their hands dirty, salary is another big concern.
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low salary or no salary, which one you prefer? I think its also a matter of pride.
if employers know that somebody can perform, they will pay. -
my understanding is most wont take a low salary job at the expense of their pride.Originally posted by Salman:low salary or no salary, which one you prefer? I think its also a matter of pride.
if employers know that somebody can perform, they will pay.
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Agreed. There is no sliver platter in Singapore... and there is definitely a lot of whiner at home.Originally posted by Salman:Good to share the same view with you on the school of hard knocks. We Singaporeans need that to survive and build this country.
What u get on ur plate is dependent on ur effort tat u put in. Nothing else to it.
The vast population of India and China trained them to be be hungry for the success/dough. In SGP, the effort is not there. -
experience tells me effort =/= results.
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It is true that citizens should be self-reliant and not look to the government too much for help or hand-outs.Originally posted by diggo:Agreed. There is no sliver platter in Singapore... and there is definitely a lot of whiner at home.
What u get on ur plate is dependent on ur effort tat u put in. Nothing else to it.
The vast population of India and China trained them to be be hungry for the success/dough. In SGP, the effort is not there.
However the fact is Singaporeans now cannot do any smaller or start any new business because of all the high costs due to pushing up of salarlies of government, high transportation costs. high HDB flat prices (due to double charged on lands) to all unwarranted bus fare increases, and triple taxes on vehicles.
Let us face the fact: how many people can start a business with such high costs being created by the government under Goh Keng Swee doctrine.
The only businesses that can still survive now are the GLCs, NTUC, MNCs, and bigger long-established companies because they can unilaterally like SBS or SPH increase the prices they like.
How can the citizens be expected to keep quiet and not whine or complain when the whole business environment is so anti-businesss and anti-job creation.
The worse is to pretend that such problems do not exist thereby postponing solutions of problems. By all means, citizens should be self-reliant but can there be self-reliant when the system is so against them.
We must ask all the ministers to come down from the high horse and all the talking down on people and set themselves as examples to walk the talk.
It is the system which is mostly at fault and this fact has to be changed to undo all the past policies that cause this from valuations of HDB flats to medical and utility to see that there is no more hidden charges like land costs and double taxing.
If forumers still don't believe go to the neighbourhood shops and see for yourself how empty are the shops. Only fools can pretend such problems do not exist in today's Singapore and still pretend that we are doing well.
Let people have better opportunity to start their own business in Singapore by changing some of the past charging system to reduce the high costs due to all the corporatized high charges, double taxes and triple taxes on vehicles. -
Robert Teh is still whining and putting all blame on the govt.
He doesn't understand how difficult it is to start business in China, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong with all that bureaucracy and corruption out there.
Its back to square one again. This guy will never breakthru. All he knows is to whine and look to govt to solve problems. He puts his energy into whining and will never solve problems.Originally posted by robertteh:It is true that citizens should be self-reliant and not look to the government too much for help or hand-outs.
However the fact is Singaporeans now cannot do any smaller or start any new business because of all the high costs due to pushing up of salarlies of government, high transportation costs. high HDB flat prices (due to double charged on lands) to all unwarranted bus fare increases, and triple taxes on vehicles.
Let us face the fact: how many people can start a business with such high costs being created by the government under Goh Keng Swee doctrine.
The only businesses that can still survive now are the GLCs, NTUC, MNCs, and bigger long-established companies because they can unilaterally like SBS or SPH increase the prices they like.
How can the citizens be expected to keep quiet and not whine or complain when the whole business environment is so anti-businesss and anti-job creation.
The worse is to pretend that such problems do not exist thereby postponing solutions of problems. By all means, citizens should be self-reliant but can there be self-reliant when the system is so against them.
We must ask all the ministers to come down from the high horse and all the talking down on people and set themselves as examples to walk the talk.
It is the system which is mostly at fault and this fact has to be changed to undo all the past policies that cause this from valuations of HDB flats to medical and utility to see that there is no more hidden charges like land costs and double taxing.
If forumers still don't believe go to the neighbourhood shops and see for yourself how empty are the shops. Only fools can pretend such problems do not exist in today's Singapore and still pretend that we are doing well.
Let people have better opportunity to start their own business in Singapore by changing some of the past charging system to reduce the high costs due to all the corporatized high charges, double taxes and triple taxes on vehicles. -
Yar loh...Originally posted by Salman:Robert Teh is still whining and putting all blame on the govt.
He doesn't understand how difficult it is to start business in China, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong with all that bureaucracy and corruption out there.
So difficult to do business with China, Japan, Korea or Hong Kong.
If the MNCs were to do business with singapore, I am sure they will make trillions instead of the BILLIONS they are making in those countries.
Wonder why they are so stupid ah?