4 gay and 1 straight men with HIV charged for donating blood
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FIVE men infected with the HIV virus were brought before a district court yesterday for allegedly lying about their sexual history in questionnaires they completed before donating blood.
Their blood, none of which ever found its way to patients, tested positive for HIV.
Four of the five men are alleged to have lied when they declared on the form that they had never had sex with other men. Facing a single charge each under the Infectious Diseases Act are Ng Choon Siong, 21; Suhaidi Abas, 37; and Tan Yee Wee, 30.
The fourth man, 22-year-old Wong Shimin, faces two charges for making false declarations on two occasions, once in 2003 and once last year.It is understood that he did not test positive for the virus at that time.
The fifth man, Lua Bu Chung, 37, is accused of lying about his sexual history on one occasion. He is said to have lied when he declared that he had not had sex with more than one partner. In the same form, he also allegedly claimed in the previous year he had not had sex with anyone he had known for less than six months...
(Straits Times, 10 Nov) -
i do wonder why these people want to donate blood? even if they dunno they got HIV, they should know they are not exactly monogamous, high risk group. If they want to do good deed, im sure they won't lie on the form to begin with. Blood donation got give $ or not? No right? Wonder why they want to donate still.
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i am surprised at the publicity since it's already so tough to get people to donate blood... they could hv not reveal the names.....
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I doubt they had a heart of gold when they signed that form. Maybe they just wanted to share the gospel?Originally posted by HENG@:i do wonder why these people want to donate blood? even if they dunno they got HIV, they should know they are not exactly monogamous, high risk group. If they want to do good deed, im sure they won't lie on the form to begin with. Blood donation got give $ or not? No right? Wonder why they want to donate still.
Oh well, it's good news that their blood was tested and quarrentined before infecting needy patients. After the fiasco of the viral kidney transplant, the medical sector cannot afford another relapse. -
u rather have no donators than donators with infected bloodOriginally posted by hmsg:i am surprised at the publicity since it's already so tough to get people to donate blood... they could hv not reveal the names..... -
i doubt so too. well. all i can say is, if one is out to harm other deliberately, karma will get him/her sooner or later.Originally posted by BillyBong:I doubt they had a heart of gold when they signed that form. Maybe they just wanted to share the gospel?
Oh well, it's good news that their blood was tested and quarrentined before infecting needy patients. After the fiasco of the viral kidney transplant, the medical sector cannot afford another relapse. -
what purpose does it serve charging them?
i dont think money or jail term means anything to them anymore. -
deterent to others with similiar intent. maybe. i think if they WERE malicious, they deserve some sort of punishment.Originally posted by dragg:what purpose does it serve charging them?
i dont think money or jail term means anything to them anymore. -
If they go around with needles of their blood poking people how?
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Might it not be an honest mistake? IE They wanted to donate blood out of goodwill, and told a couple of white lies because they knew their blood would be tested anyway, and therefore thought that it didn't really matter. I am sure they are not the only ones to do that. After all sexual promiscuity still carries with it a stigma in Singapore.
My dad was a regular blood donator. I dunno how prmiscuous he is, but i am sure my mum would not be too happy to see him declare that he is a very promiscuous individual. He probably ticked the "only one sexual partner" box.
Edit: Just read the yawning bread article. The writer put it in words better than i ever could have. -
hahaha.
nothing is detterent enough to people facing death. -
There is a window period within which the tests cannot pick up the presence of the virus, so people have been infected despite testing of blood samples.
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Everybody knows very well the implications of donating blood samples with HIV. We do need to punish people who donate HIV blood.
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The writer wrote a pretty strong view on white lies and the blood donation system in SG. However, he has several points that are contentious. Below is one of them:
What this news story points to is how we have a social and legal climate that encourages people to lie, and then punishes them for so doing.
However a society's culture, ultimately, it is the person himself who signs the dotted line. A person who signs it falsely (and knowingly), cannot claim duress or ignorance when he stands before a judge, or that virtue was not convenient at that time.
Such excuses will not suffice. -
Even when they themselves do not know they are infected?Originally posted by Salman:Everybody knows very well the implications of donating blood samples with HIV. We do need to punish people who donate HIV blood. -
Originally posted by BillyBong:
Duress is not an excuse for indicating consent? That is the first i have heard of that. In any case, this is not about duress. This is about blameworthiness. Is someone who tells a white lie in a situation such as the one we are discussing so blameworthy that the criminal law must be weilded to censure him?
The writer wrote a pretty strong view on white lies and the blood donation system in SG. However, he has several points that are contentious. Below is one of them:
[b]What this news story points to is how we have a social and legal climate that encourages people to lie, and then punishes them for so doing.
However a society's culture, ultimately, it is the person himself who signs the dotted line. A person who signs it falsely (and knowingly), cannot claim duress or ignorance when he stands before a judge, or that virtue was not convenient at that time.
Such excuses will not suffice.[/b]
I think not.
Someone made the point about the virus being undetectable for a certain period after infection. Lets say for eg that the period is sevesral weeks. If so, why not hold the samples in quarantine for several months? Surely it is illogical and irresponsible to rely on people telling the truth in order to weed out such cases?
IE Virus may remain undetectable for weeks. - We quarantine the samples for months. -> Hence it is moot whether the doner lied about his sexual history. -
My position of 'duress' comes from the writer's articlewhich indicates that society applies some form of peer pressure to its people. That people follow a certain 'norm' applied since day 1 because it is the nature of this society to do so.Originally posted by lwflee:Duress is not an excuse for indicating consent? That is the first i have heard of that. In any case, this is not about duress. This is about blameworthiness. Is someone who tells a white lie in a situation such as the one we are discussing so blameworthy that the criminal law must be weilded to censure him?
I think not.
If a person commits a crime under a death threat of his family, then surely that can be admissible in court and justified as 'duress'. -
I agree that it is somewhat absurd to suggest that peer or societal pressure could and should amount to duress. I was making a point about duress generally. In any case, that is moot since we appear to share similar views on that issue.Originally posted by BillyBong:My position of 'duress' comes from the writer's articlewhich indicates that society applies some form of peer pressure to its people. That people follow a certain 'norm' applied since day 1 because it is the nature of this society to do so.
If a person commits a crime under a death threat of his family, then surely that can be admissible in court and justified as 'duress'. -
believe it or not, a lot of people actually use blood donation as a way to find out if they are HIV positive or not... as they are afraid to go and test it at the clinics...Originally posted by HENG@:i do wonder why these people want to donate blood? even if they dunno they got HIV, they should know they are not exactly monogamous, high risk group. -
Ordinary ppl do not even suspect if they could be HIV positive unless they have had activities that could get them in trouble, when they do, why do they want to lie about it?? It is better if they consult their private doctors and have it check out and the results kept in confidence.Originally posted by UandMe:believe it or not, a lot of people actually use blood donation as a way to find out if they are HIV positive or not... as they are afraid to go and test it at the clinics...
Now their names are all over the places, another discrimination of the homos?
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Why did they lie in the forms? don't they know they were lying in the forms?Originally posted by lwflee:Even when they themselves do not know they are infected?
How do you know they didn't know they were infected? -
I read 2 of them are young- 20, 21 & undergraduates.
I'm surprised that with so much education, these people still don't know the risk of unprotected sex. -
University education proves nothing.
Many grads are ignorant to the world around them, perfering to immerse themselves only in the textbooks that brings them As. They lack the interest or desire to discover basic knowledge.
It's just like some people in europe and US who are qualified graduates but still think SG is a province of China.
As for the 5 of them, it is doubtful that all knew they were infected when they signed. Oh well, let the trial finish and the details will come out. -
is it you alone or are there really alot of pple here harping on the US pple thinks we are part of china thingy? saw it a few times but i can't remember the names sorry.Originally posted by BillyBong:University education proves nothing.
Many grads are ignorant to the world around them, perfering to immerse themselves only in the textbooks that brings them As. They lack the interest or desire to discover basic knowledge.
It's just like some people in europe and US who are qualified graduates but still think SG is a province of China.
As for the 5 of them, it is doubtful that all knew they were infected when they signed. Oh well, let the trial finish and the details will come out.
All i have to say is that no matter how educated you are you can still have such misconceptions especially if its widely spread among the society. and not knowing all about geography is not a good indication of ignorance isit?
but i do agree that university or even education is overrateed