How Can We Have More and Better Paying Jobs?
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What creates jobs? Do jobs grow on trees? Does the sea create jobs? What about ants and birds?
Typical Singaporeans look to the govt for solutions. Can the govt really create jobs? Lets say the govt bans foreign workers and Singaporeans start shunning job ads, job hop and demand higher pay as a result, what do you think will happen? Maybe services will become scarce and expensive. We may have to pay more for goods and services. Perhaps many companies will collapse as a result because they cannot find workers or become too expensive. MNCs or even local companies may relocate due to these reasons to survive.
Lets say the govt starts businesses thru GLCs. Won't the people complain that the govt gets too involved in businesses, monopolising and stiffling entrepreneurship?
So what do you expect the govt to do? Can the govt force China to buy products from us that they can produce at a lower price or that the US buy from us at a higher price for the same product coming from China?
What exactly can the govt do? Attract foreign investors? Been there, done that. Attract more MNCs you say? With what? Higher paying workers compared to China and Malaysia? Will the foreign investors be interested in paying more?
What about attracting higher tech MNCs? Do we have the workers who are willing to upgrade? Aren't other countries trying to attract high tech MNCs too?
What about encouraging our SMEs to grow? Been doing that for years. Our SMEs lose billions of dollars through nonsensical investments and bad mangement. They can't compete against foreigners.
So what do we do? Blame the govt again? Is that all we know how to do? To complain rather than compete harder? Look to the govt for solution and blame the govt for interference at the same time?
What exactly do you people want the govt to do?
Lets hear something from you fellas. -
how about reducing all the "other" cost of running a business in sg and lower the cost of living in sg?
and first step..... making all MP FOC position.. only for those who really want to serve their country...
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Who will want to serve FOC?
How do you ensure that capable people will be attracted to be MPs FOC? By offering them opportunities for embezzling $1million per month? -
ask not what your country can do for u.... ask what u can do for your country......... anytime they need a FOC MP just PM me lor..Originally posted by Salman:Who will want to serve FOC?
How do you ensure that capable people will be attracted to be MPs FOC? By offering them opportunities for embezzling $1million per month? -
What makes you think you qualify? What can you do?
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Let's tell the freaking govt to lower their salaries and other sources of income, all high ranking officers, lower the land costs,,,,,lower the govt administrative costs and etc.....Originally posted by Salman:What creates jobs? Do jobs grow on trees? Does the sea create jobs? What about ants and birds?
Typical Singaporeans look to the govt for solutions. Can the govt really create jobs? Lets say the govt bans foreign workers and Singaporeans start shunning job ads, job hop and demand higher pay as a result, what do you think will happen? Maybe services will become scarce and expensive. We may have to pay more for goods and services. Perhaps many companies will collapse as a result because they cannot find workers or become too expensive. MNCs or even local companies may relocate due to these reasons to survive.
Lets say the govt starts businesses thru GLCs. Won't the people complain that the govt gets too involved in businesses, monopolising and stiffling entrepreneurship?
So what do you expect the govt to do? Can the govt force China to buy products from us that they can produce at a lower price or that the US buy from us at a higher price for the same product coming from China?
What exactly can the govt do? Attract foreign investors? Been there, done that. Attract more MNCs you say? With what? Higher paying workers compared to China and Malaysia? Will the foreign investors be interested in paying more?
What about attracting higher tech MNCs? Do we have the workers who are willing to upgrade? Aren't other countries trying to attract high tech MNCs too?
What about encouraging our SMEs to grow? Been doing that for years. Our SMEs lose billions of dollars through nonsensical investments and bad mangement. They can't compete against foreigners.
So what do we do? Blame the govt again? Is that all we know how to do? To complain rather than compete harder? Look to the govt for solution and blame the govt for interference at the same time?
What exactly do you people want the govt to do?
Lets hear something from you fellas.
Lives in Singapore is stressful lah..........
Say a family with income or take home pay of S$2500.00.
With two kids, one in primary sch and one in secondary school.
Conservancy Charges........................................how much?
utilities; water, elect, gas..................................
Adults Transportation........................................
Adults working expenses..................................
School transportation fee................................
School daily expenses......................................
School text & exercise book.............................
Tuition fees.......................................................
Outpatient medical fees...................................
Salts, oil and saucers for cooking.....................
Vegetable........................................................
Fish and meat..................................................
Fruits..............................................................
Drinks..............................................................
other supplement food....................................
Garments, socks,etc........................................
Hair cut............................................................
Shampoo.........................................................
Soap................................................................
Hair cream or gel.............................................
Toothpaste and tooth brush...........................
Toilet papers..................................................
Shaving kits....................................................
Panadol, oilment, Mopiko...............................
detegents, brushes, rag.................................
Household maintence......................................
Property tax..................................................
TV licence.........................................................
These are the basic needs in our daily lives.........what about other things like;- Family outings, friends or relatives' wedding, friends or relatives outings, your grandfather, grandmother, granduncles, grandaunties' birthday or funerals....or maybe who knows..you might have to go geylang for something else.................. -
here's one of the things i have always advocated..
make the ministers live the life of a normal working hack a couple of months a year... on that pay.. take the MRT or bus to work.. live in a HDB flat.. commute and work as one of us.. without his goddamned entourage of heavies with him..
he will know what it is like to squeeze, to rush, to be jostled..
and he will learn how to cope with $2,500 a month for his family expenditures...
thus, he will know what it is like to be a normal and typical singaporean..Originally posted by Lowclassman:Lives in Singapore is stressful lah..........
Say a family with income or take home pay of S$2500.00.
With two kids, one in primary sch and one in secondary school.
Conservancy Charges........................................how muc?
utilities; water, elect, gas..................................
Adults Transportation........................................
Adults working expenses..................................
School daily expenses......................................
School text & exercise book.............................
Tuition fees.......................................................
Outpatient medical fees...................................
Salts, oil and saucers for cooking.....................
Vegetable........................................................
Fish and meat..................................................
Drinks..............................................................
Garments, socks,etc........................................
Hair cut............................................................
Toiletories.......................................................
Household maintence......................................
detegents....................................................... -
Many households survive on $1500 per month. You wanna talk about $2500 per month not being enough?
Even the poor in Singapore have fridge and TV. Don't tell me about poor. -
OhOriginally posted by Salman:Many households survive on $1500 per month. You wanna talk about $2500 per month not being enough?
Even the poor in Singapore have fridge and TV. Don't tell me about poor. ....we are very rich......... Rich in the sense of comparing with third world countries where peoole sleeping on hard grounds, drink river and stream water. This kind of comparison?
What an ass? -
So what do you expect the govt to do?
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You forgot to mention karaoke also.....Originally posted by Salman:Many households survive on $1500 per month. You wanna talk about $2500 per month not being enough?
Even the poor in Singapore have fridge and TV. Don't tell me about poor. -
Waiting for your big mouth and take action loh......... Don't sit there man......fight our us.....Originally posted by Salman:So what do you expect the govt to do? -
Take action huh? Yep, you are getting close. But not close enough.
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what make u think they are qualify to take home a 1M pay? who to judge?? they themselves?Originally posted by Salman:What makes you think you qualify? What can you do?
i am more qualify than my nick tells u... just put mi in a position where i can make changes and u will see what i can do. -
You can't even spell properly, who wants to hire you for even $1?
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survive? who can survive on a 1500 salary? his problems will become evident once he loses his job.Originally posted by Salman:Many households survive on $1500 per month. You wanna talk about $2500 per month not being enough?
Even the poor in Singapore have fridge and TV. Don't tell me about poor. -
Many families survive on $1500 per month, you are not aware of it because you are not in touch with the people. You sit in your ivory tower and talk.
BTW, there is nothing to stop you from donating part of your pay to 'poor' people in Singapore. -
you are in touch with these people?
who do you work for? -
you talk so big. maybe you should donate your salary to the poor.Originally posted by Salman:Many families survive on $1500 per month, you are not aware of it because you are not in touch with the people. You sit in your ivory tower and talk.
BTW, there is nothing to stop you from donating part of your pay to 'poor' people in Singapore. -
I do lots of community work. I walk among the people in the heartlands. You don't, thats why you don't know.
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you do community work for free?Originally posted by Salman:I do lots of community work. I walk among the people in the heartlands. You don't, thats why you don't know.
then you are a great man. -
Yes sir, I put in my energy and my money. I know what I am talking about.
I help the people to help themselves. Handouts are a no no. -
living in singapore definately is stressful, but depends on how u managed it.Originally posted by Lowclassman:Let's tell the freaking govt to lower their salaries and other sources of income, all high ranking officers, lower the land costs,,,,,lower the govt administrative costs and etc.....
Lives in Singapore is stressful lah..........
Say a family with income or take home pay of S$2500.00.
With two kids, one in primary sch and one in secondary school.
As for the high income paid personnels...if the govt reduce their pay, then who will contribute more tax to the govt and those tax that comes from the rich goes into the poor and needy.....
we as the poor pay little tax, but the rich pays as high as 30% tax...so its basically fair that high income paid ppl get higher taxation from govt...
if we wanna increase our living standards of life, we have to learn to buy the needs and not the wants & also to practice self-delayed gratificiation. -
our standard of living is too high already.Originally posted by weijian:living in singapore definately is stressful, but depends on how u managed it.
As for the high income paid personnels...if the govt reduce their pay, then who will contribute more tax to the govt and those tax that comes from the rich goes into the poor and needy.....
we as the poor pay little tax, but the rich pays as high as 30% tax...so its basically fair that high income paid ppl get higher taxation from govt...
if we wanna increase our living standards of life, we have to learn to buy the needs and not the wants & also to practice self-delayed gratificiation. -
IMHO...
We are looking at a better standard of living. Therefore we should be looking at either increasing the salary or reducing the cost of living. Either way should work.
Both got it pros and cons and to reduce the scope of the discussion, let's limit it to domestic issues and leave out the foreign balance of of payment or competitiveness etc.
High paying salary may not be a good thing as it may lead to a high inflation rate. If everyone got higher pay... then all the standard of living will still be the same. The ultimate aim is to have a better standard of living.... ie to put it bluntly, a bigger bang for the buck.
The major items tat SGP are not competitive in are the land cost and the hosuing cost. Both are hold up artificially... however, a gradual reduction is avocate. as reduction will have other impact.
Another area is going into niche markets. It is either u r the lowest cost producer, or u have a niche. no where in between. We are out of the low cost producer arena.... therefore we should go for the niche. We need to built up the knowledge base and the branding in the specific areas that we wanted to develop in. For example, SGP has be known of oil refinery, Swiss are known for their watch making.
This is the view that the govt has put up for the next few yrs and it is from 10,000 ft above. Speed of execution and implementation is the key and we are lagging in this area.