Australia considers taking S'pore to int'l court
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I am pro Aussie having studied there for a few years. But with regards t othis issue, I say Aussies butt out and get a freaking life. Can't the condemned guy read?
Read the freaking arrival card and what it says before you land in Singapore. It says death to drug traffickers and idiots who think they won't be caught. You wanna take the risk, you be prepared to DIE. In the army, you can do anything just don't get caught, you get caught you face the consequences.
So Australia, stop whining like a spolit brat, stop throwing tantrums like a little child. You can't aways have your cake and eat it. Why don't you make noise to Indonesia and stop them from hanging or inmposing the death penalty to that Bashir guy or those guys who bombed Bali and killed so many of your kangeroo mates? Why? Doesn't drug trafficking kills as many of your mates as the bombs? Why hold a vigil for someone who brings so much harm to your children? Why don't you hold a vigil for those who were harmed by his drugs instead?
Think mates. think. -
I'm gonna bet that the MIW is not going to back down over this issue. However, I'm also gonna say that there is actually a 0.0001 % chance that they actually will.
In the case of Michael Fay, we actually did back down a little. After Clinton appealed for Fay's sentenced to be lightened, the number of strokes given to Fay was cut from 6 to 4. It's not the same as a full commutation, but you have to admit that it was a step backwards.
I hope in this case, we won't back down at all. Reducing Fay's sentence was a mistake in my opinion, even if it had little more than symbolic value. We can't have a sovereign nation telling another sovereign nation what it should do with its laws. If I'm in Australia, I will follow their laws. Likewise if they're in Singapore, they better jolly well follow our laws. No one here is above the law - that includes Australians.
If it were a Singaporean facing death row for a drug charge in another country, I will shed no tears for him. Harsh words from me, but I that's how I view drug traffickers who try to destroy the lives of others - with utter contempt. -
i think many aussies probably believe Nguyen Tuong Van's story of bad debts.
And many others believe it's simply his own fault. There were sufficient warning signs but none were heeded.
Why try and cook an already boiled egg?
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I have to say I agree with your statements. Aussies tend to whine too much, about everything.Originally posted by getlaid.com:I am pro Aussie having studied there for a few years. But with regards t othis issue, I say Aussies butt out and get a freaking life. Can't the condemned guy read?
Read the freaking arrival card and what it says before you land in Singapore. It says death to drug traffickers and idiots who think they won't be caught. You wanna take the risk, you be prepared to DIE. In the army, you can do anything just don't get caught, you get caught you face the consequences.
So Australia, stop whining like a spolit brat, stop throwing tantrums like a little child. You can't aways have your cake and eat it. Why don't you make noise to Indonesia and stop them from hanging or inmposing the death penalty to that Bashir guy or those guys who bombed Bali and killed so many of your kangeroo mates? Why? Doesn't drug trafficking kills as many of your mates as the bombs? Why hold a vigil for someone who brings so much harm to your children? Why don't you hold a vigil for those who were harmed by his drugs instead?
Think mates. think. -
Isn't that like us? or any nation's citizen if it came to issues like this?Originally posted by breytonhartge:I have to say I agree with your statements. Aussies tend to whine too much, about everything. -
I doubt this time round the Sin garment will back down, we do not depend on Australia for survival, but we have no choice to back down in the 80s as we are very dependent on the US to give us the economy boost.Originally posted by fudgester:I'm gonna bet that the MIW is not going to back down over this issue. However, I'm also gonna say that there is actually a 0.0001 % chance that they actually will.
In the case of Michael Fay, we actually did back down a little. After Clinton appealed for Fay's sentenced to be lightened, the number of strokes given to Fay was cut from 6 to 4. It's not the same as a full commutation, but you have to admit that it was a step backwards.
I hope in this case, we won't back down at all. Reducing Fay's sentence was a mistake in my opinion, even if it had little more than symbolic value. We can't have a sovereign nation telling another sovereign nation what it should do with its laws. If I'm in Australia, I will follow their laws. Likewise if they're in Singapore, they better jolly well follow our laws. No one here is above the law - that includes Australians.
If it were a Singaporean facing death row for a drug charge in another country, I will shed no tears for him. Harsh words from me, but I that's how I view drug traffickers who try to destroy the lives of others - with utter contempt. -
They are a different breed of whingers. Singapore whigers whinge, but do nothing.Originally posted by BillyBong:Isn't that like us? or any nation's citizen if it came to issues like this?
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Is CSJ still a leader?? Anyway I doubt his integrity in a lot of matters, much of his doing is for his own gain.Originally posted by seneca04:See what this "Chee Soon Juan" say to the Australian Press
Singaporean politician backs Nguyen legal challenge
A leading Singapore opposition figure has added his voice to those urging Australia to mount an international legal challenge to the planned execution of Melbourne man Van Nguyen.
As the mother and brother of Nguyen arrive in Singapore to say their good-byes, the campaign to save the 25-year-old's life continues unabated.
Nguyen was sentenced to hang for attempting to smuggle 400 grams of heroin in 2002.
Chee Soon Juan from the Singapore Democratic Party has told the ABC's Lateline program that Australia should pursue action in the International Court of Justice (ICJ).
Dr Chee says Singapore has gone to the ICJ on other matters and it would be in its interest to abide by the court's rulings.
"It's hugely, hugely important to take this step because the Singapore Government has gone before the International Court of Justice in terms of arbitration of disputes between Singapore and other countries," he said.
"I think it would be in Singapore's interests to want to abide by some of these matters that come before the ICJ."
Nguyen's lawyer Lex Lasry also believes a case can be made.
"It's not too late to persuade them they're making the wrong decision," he said.
"Under some conventions... it may be that their appearance before the international court is compulsory."
The Federal Government says it is taking legal advice on the matter.
Nguyen's execution is due on December 2.
Anyway, the aussie should learn how to respect, which is totally lacking in their entire generation, back from the prisoner's day to the racisit day and till now. It is good that they donate to Tsunami, earthquakes but it is such a pain in the ass when they want to show their dominance in other countries' soverignity. -
Yeah...call us constrained whiners. We wanna protest, but have x 4 anti-protest police standing by to swat us.Originally posted by ditzy:They are a different breed of whingers. Singapore whigers whinge, but do nothing.
Whistle-blowers face potential sacking....
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That is because they manage to "persuade" Indonesia, now they want to do the same to Singapore.Originally posted by Typhoon:Oddly enough, notice how the tumult over Nguyen Tuong Van has only sharply increased in the last month, despite the fact that he had been sentenced nearly half a year before?
The reason is one Schappelle Corby, who dominated the news until it became apparent that no further concessions could be wrangled out of the Indonesians.
Poor Nguyen, born neither white nor female. His countrymen only started caring when it has become too late. 
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The Bali nine are overshadowed by Nguyen's case. How sad. Or most probably they want to wait till a month before they face the shooting squad before poking in?
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More taxpayers money down the drain for bullshit like this.
From what I hear from my Aussie mates, there are those who think we are cruel and those who think we should hang him to set an example so it's divided on their own ground as well -
It is two school of thoughts...inevitable, I also dun want to see people die but it is to serve a warning to other.Originally posted by elindra:
More taxpayers money down the drain for bullshit like this.
From what I hear from my Aussie mates, there are those who think we are cruel and those who think we should hang him to set an example so it's divided on their own ground as well -
We should impose sanctions: lawyer
This sad case in the top head line in aussie
What if the convicted man is not an Aussie,say Cambodian
or come an African country we never heard of---
will some local Singaporeans do so much to pardon him?
will international organizations appeal for pardon,why such org. not appeal for pardon of other citizens convicted here?Recently,there is
an Afracian convicted here and to be hanged.Is there any
action taken by such kind people?
2.A words of cautions:After the man is hanged,Sg people in Aussie may be not so welcome,including tourists.21.11.2005 STimes reported Aussie wrote to
newspaper there to boycott Sg companies there and some ask
Aussie not come to Sg.Trade sanction is mentioned above.
Opposition party has enough fuel to play.
3.Write to this only MP in Aussie against a motion in Aussie Parliment to
appeal to Sg government to pardon the man.
He is Hon Mr Wilson Tuckey MP,[email protected].
I wrote to him:
Dear The Hon Wilson Tuckey MP
Sir,May I salute you for your courage to against the
motion to save Nguyen Tuong Van from hanging in
Singapore.
I know it is how too easy just to follow the other MP
to vote For the motionas as it is too politically
correct to do so.
But you did not.You know the damages of drugs .
''We would make Australian couriers the most
treasuered
commodity in drugs trafficking ...''as you said.
You may suffer some votes from kind hearts,but there
are many parents will support you for your courage to
save many,especially the youths.
From tims to tims, there are drugs abusers or
traffickers caught in Singapore,including many
Singaporeans ,despite the stiff penalty here.I would
wonder the situation in your home country.
Once again,may I salute you to do right thing,not
politically correct things.''
This MP really gets guts and wisdom. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Call for sanctions
[b]We should impose sanctions: lawyer
This sad case in the top head line in aussie
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Senior human rights lawyer Tim Robertson SC said the only pressure Singapore would listen to was economic and Australia must impose trade sanctions to prevent Nguyen's execution, scheduled for December 2.
"I think it's the only lever Australia can bring to bear on this authoritarian regime,'' Mr Robertson said.
Singapore has so far ignored an international campaign for clemency for Nguyen, 25, who was arrested at Singapore's Changi airport in late 2002 carrying 396 grams of heroin. He is due to be hanged on December 2.
Prime Minister John Howard has ruled out imposing trade sanctions on Singapore, saying any such move would be counterproductive.
But Mr Robertson attacked that stance.
"The only kind of pressure to which Singapore is likely to respond is economic but the Australian Government, far from imposing such pressure, has been offering olive branches to Singapore in an attempt to get Singapore Airlines to merge with Qantas," he said.
"I mean what are the chances Australia will put its money where its mouth is.''
WOW...want to sanction Singapore le -
actually if sanction is imposed, Australia will loose out, Singapore will no longer buy pork from them, what else did we import from there...
Vice versa, Singapore being the trading hub, will definetely impose higher tax for aussie to buy anything out of singapore, doesn't that make them loose out? As aussie will not take advantage of the FTA that singapore has with so many countries especially US. -
Well, let them continueOriginally posted by elindra:
More taxpayers money down the drain for bullshit like this.
From what I hear from my Aussie mates, there are those who think we are cruel and those who think we should hang him to set an example so it's divided on their own ground as well -
we might as well station someone permanent at the international courts.
so many countries are bringing us there. -
Anyway if refer to today ST, Aussie govt is not going to impose sanctions, because end up, it is they that gets affected heavily
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The last straw is when they send a bomb threat to the Singapore embassy. Just like what happened when Corby got convicted in Indonesia and a bomb threat was sent to the Indonesian embassy.
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It will be the first time that Khoa has seen his brother since his arrest almost three years ago while trying to board a flight to Australia with 396 grams of heroin strapped to his body and in his hand luggage.
It was allegedly to repay the legal debts of Khoa, a former drug addict, that Nguyen had tried to bring the drugs into Australia. Asked yesterday whether he felt responsible for his brother's plight, Khoa said nothing.
It was left to Mr Lasry to defend him; he said it was Singapore not Khoa that would kill Nguyen.
"His brother mustn't be allowed to carry a higher level of guilt on the basis of our client's execution," Mr Lasry told The 7.30 Report last night. "That's being done to him by the Government of Singapore."
An excerpt from the age...saying that it was Singapore that would kill Nguyen!!! What a sentence to say.. -
It is such a dirty trick!!!Originally posted by ditzy:The last straw is when they send a bomb threat to the Singapore embassy. Just like what happened when Corby got convicted in Indonesia and a bomb threat was sent to the Indonesian embassy. -
You all talk big because the person to hang is not your relative.
If it were your son, brother, sister, father, mother or wife hanging, I think you would all think differently.
To hell with politics. This is life, human life. That is only thing that all of us truly own. If my loved one was put on the death row, I would fight till my last breath to free him/her.
FYI, the quality of life in Australia is better than Singapore. And your "laid-back, bo-chap attitude" people spawn world-class athletes and Nobel prize winners. So stop generalizing the population. I've seen tons of slack buggers and freeloaders in Singapore.
Put your arguments into perspective and stop letting your nationalism skew your thoughts. If Singapore has an archaic law that takes life away, only the people are to blame. You instituted your government and voted for them. -
And say terrorist did it... Haiz...Originally posted by ditzy:The last straw is when they send a bomb threat to the Singapore embassy. Just like what happened when Corby got convicted in Indonesia and a bomb threat was sent to the Indonesian embassy. -
Mr Theophanous' letter does not directly refer to Singapore's multi-billion dollar links with Victoria, nor the growing threats to boycott Singapore-owned companies such as SP AusNet, Optus and Singapore Airlines.
Instead, it tells Mr Kiang that while the issue "is a difficult one for you and your colleagues, I wish to place on record my view and the views of many Victorians who are seeking clemency for this young man for your consideration".
"I would ask that your Government grant clemency and spare this man from the death penalty," the letter says.
"I believe that such a decision would be welcomed by Victorians. I would be happy to discuss this matter directly with you on the telephone."
The letter had the backing of Premier Steve Bracks, and Mr Theophanous said he wrote it out of conscience. But industry figures say Singapore's links with Victoria are significant.
SP AusNet has 100 per cent ownership of Victoria's primary electricity transmission network and the company's current float offer is due to close on December 2 — the same day Nguyen is to be executed.
A Government source said yesterday it was "outrageous that the Singapore Government will be able to announce on December 2 a successful float of their business in Melbourne and a successful hanging of a Melbourne man at the same time".
An SP AusNet spokeswoman declined to comment.
Now this is interesting, whether to see if there is any economic impact on the 2nd Dec....