Australia considers taking S'pore to int'l court
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Singapore's Home Affairs Minister said in Parliament that the country would go on hanging death-row inmates.
"We had previously studied the different methods of execution and found no reason to change from the current method used," Wong Kan Seng said. The current method is hanging.
Sad to say that he is going to be hanged, but it is his own doing..cannot blame anybody. -
I'll tell you what really gets my goat - the friggin' Bali Nine. The latest word is that they're planning to sue the Australian Federal Police for not warning them that they were under surveillance by the Indonesian cops.
WTF?! If I stick my head over a barrel of petrol and throw a lit match in, can I sue Mobil for not warning me that I'm going to barbecue my face? Gawd damned ridiculous - those guys should be hung simply for stupidity. -
Bracks calls for prisoner exchange system to save Nguyen
Victorian Premier Steve Bracks says he would like to see a prisoner exchange system with Singapore to allow convicted drug smuggler Van Nguyen to serve time in a Victorian jail.
Mr Nguyen is due to be hanged next week, and the Federal Government is taking advice on whether an international legal challenge can be mounted.
Mr Bracks has told Southern Cross Radio that a prisoner exchange system could be part of a solution in any legal challenge.
"Certainly, we would facilitate that and we would move heaven and earth to make sure that worked effectively if that was to be undertaken as part of an intervention through the International Court, which I know the Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer, is now considering," he said.
Nguyen was arrested three years ago with almost 400 grams of heroin strapped to his body and in his backpack.
Got such thing, they are demanding more, maybe one day they demand SIA to be exchange with Qantas. -
Exchange prisoner leh, mai bo liao lah.
If there was only one thing on the mind of Australians who want to exchange just one thing, it would definitely be Telstra. -
That's an interesting idea. I just see two problems with it:
1) Australia has no death sentence, so it's not an equal exchange from Singapore's point of view
2) I suspect that the Singaporean government's stance is "you do the crime, you do the time", so the offer of a prisoner exchange to them is of even less value, unless the prisoner in question is caught for spying for Singapore or something similarly embarrassing for SG's government
AFAIK, there are no such prisoners in Australia, so no deal. -
They will randomly pick a Singapore kid attending one of the uni's there and convict him of d/ling porn thru the school proxy server.
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Are there any Singaporeans serving time in Victoria for serious offences, eg robbery or murder, warranting a 25 years to life sentence?
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There's one in perth who's a paedo, loves harry potter and especially Bonnie Wright, and surfs sgforums during his past time and makes posts like the one above.
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iveco...Originally posted by ditzy:There's one in perth who's a paedo, loves harry potter and especially Bonnie Wright, and surfs sgforums during his past time and makes posts like the one above. -
Prisoner exchange programme?!?!
They're really that desperate huh?
No deal, man. You do the crime on our soil, you pay the price our way. -
Now even the Federal Treasurer has spoken..Originally posted by Gedanken:That's an interesting idea. I just see two problems with it:
1) Australia has no death sentence, so it's not an equal exchange from Singapore's point of view
2) I suspect that the Singaporean government's stance is "you do the crime, you do the time", so the offer of a prisoner exchange to them is of even less value, unless the prisoner in question is caught for spying for Singapore or something similarly embarrassing for SG's government
AFAIK, there are no such prisoners in Australia, so no deal.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/farewell-flight/2005/11/21/1132421604534.html?page=2
ederal Treasurer Peter Costello was also pessimistic that Nguyen could be saved.
"Singapore is a sovereign country, Singapore makes its own laws and carries them out," he said. "You can attempt to lobby sovereign countries but you cannot have them overturned by world bodies, any more than you can have the decision of an Australian court or the Australian Government overturned by a world body."
Mr Costello said a boycott of Singapore would not influence the outcome of Nguyen's case and was not "an appropriate response. I don't think that is going to cause the Singaporean Government to change its mind for a minute."
Prime Minister John Howard also ruled out using trade relations as a lever to influence Singapore. "That is not sensible and it's not going to serve any good purpose," he said.
Nguyen's impending execution comes as the Howard Government faces strong lobbying by Singapore Airlines — owned by the Singapore Government — for the right to fly the lucrative trans-Pacific route from Sydney to Los Angeles.
Federal Transport Minister Warren Truss is next month expected to receive a report from his department on the possible impact of opening up the route to the airline. The matter will then be decided by cabinet.
Several senior ministers including Mr Truss, Mr Costello, Mr Downer and Trade Minister Mark Vaile are believed to be sympathetic to the idea, believing that competition on the trans-Pacific route would be good for consumers.
A spokesman for Opposition leader Kim Beazley said last night that while economic and trade sanctions would not work, "the Singapore Government has to keep in mind the depth of feeling that Australians have about the Nguyen case".
He said that even if Singapore did not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICJ, the Government should appeal anyway as a message "about the extent of our seriousness".
Labor foreign affairs spokesman Kevin Rudd said there were "legal complexities" involved but Mr Howard and Mr Downer had to do all they could to save Nguyen, an Australian citizen. "I believe where there is life there is hope," he said.
But an Australian-based academic who is a close observer of Singapore politics, William Case, said Singapore would never agree to allow the ICJ to rule on Nguyen's case. -
What is evil? what is manslaughter? on what basis do you judge what is evil and what is not?Originally posted by PRP:Why is it that manslaughter in S'pore doesn't carry death penalty?Isn't manslaughter many times mare evil than trafficking drug? -
That's not surprising, Lordz - traditionally, the Treasurer is the guy slated to become front runner for succession of the Prime Ministership.
Beazley's a clown. Yesterday, while on a radio talk show, he couldn't remember who Michelle Leslie was, and then ended up calling Schapelle Corby Michelle Corby instead. The idiot's so interested in politicking he can even get his facts right anymore. Rudd and his mates must be wetting themselves at this opportunity to scream that the Howard goevrnment isn't doing enough. -
There might be hidden agenda here... For one, they are not keen for SIA to fly from Australia to US directly.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Now even the Federal Treasurer has spoken..
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/farewell-flight/2005/11/21/1132421604534.html?page=2
ederal Treasurer Peter Costello was also pessimistic that Nguyen could be saved.
"Singapore is a sovereign country, Singapore makes its own laws and carries them out," he said. "You can attempt to lobby sovereign countries but you cannot have them overturned by world bodies, any more than you can have the decision of an Australian court or the Australian Government overturned by a world body."
Mr Costello said a boycott of Singapore would not influence the outcome of Nguyen's case and was not "an appropriate response. I don't think that is going to cause the Singaporean Government to change its mind for a minute."
Prime Minister John Howard also ruled out using trade relations as a lever to influence Singapore. "That is not sensible and it's not going to serve any good purpose," he said.
Nguyen's impending execution comes as the Howard Government faces strong lobbying by Singapore Airlines — owned by the Singapore Government — for the right to fly the lucrative trans-Pacific route from Sydney to Los Angeles.
Federal Transport Minister Warren Truss is next month expected to receive a report from his department on the possible impact of opening up the route to the airline. The matter will then be decided by cabinet.
Several senior ministers including Mr Truss, Mr Costello, Mr Downer and Trade Minister Mark Vaile are believed to be sympathetic to the idea, believing that competition on the trans-Pacific route would be good for consumers.
A spokesman for Opposition leader Kim Beazley said last night that while economic and trade sanctions would not work, "the Singapore Government has to keep in mind the depth of feeling that Australians have about the Nguyen case".
He said that even if Singapore did not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICJ, the Government should appeal anyway as a message "about the extent of our seriousness".
Labor foreign affairs spokesman Kevin Rudd said there were "legal complexities" involved but Mr Howard and Mr Downer had to do all they could to save Nguyen, an Australian citizen. "I believe where there is life there is hope," he said.
But an Australian-based academic who is a close observer of Singapore politics, William Case, said Singapore would never agree to allow the ICJ to rule on Nguyen's case.
This is just a perfect execuse for Australia and Qantas to do so. -
Kimbo's put his foot in his mouth this time. His chances at the next Federal polls are screwed.Originally posted by Gedanken:That's not surprising, Lordz - traditionally, the Treasurer is the guy slated to become front runner for succession of the Prime Ministership.
Beazley's a clown. Yesterday, while on a radio talk show, he couldn't remember who Michelle Leslie was, and then ended up calling Schapelle Corby Michelle Corby instead. The idiot's so interested in politicking he can even get his facts right anymore. Rudd and his mates must be wetting themselves at this opportunity to scream that the Howard goevrnment isn't doing enough. -
The SIA qantas issue has been discussed in Australia before and the only conclusion to come from it is that ultimately the consumers are the ones losing out.
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Oh, as well currently Australia is buying alot of steel from Singapore.
The world is so short of steel now...wonder what else do they want to cut from us. -
They just want us to take Telstra away from them.
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After Paul Keating..Labor just went downhill.The Aussies would be nuts to vote the Nationals out..Originally posted by Gedanken:That's not surprising, Lordz - traditionally, the Treasurer is the guy slated to become front runner for succession of the Prime Ministership.
Beazley's a clown. Yesterday, while on a radio talk show, he couldn't remember who Michelle Leslie was, and then ended up calling Schapelle Corby Michelle Corby instead. The idiot's so interested in politicking he can even get his facts right anymore. Rudd and his mates must be wetting themselves at this opportunity to scream that the Howard goevrnment isn't doing enough. -
Bah. Nobody of any consequence is talking of taking any action, so i wouldn't read too much into it.Originally posted by elindra:Oh, as well currently Australia is buying alot of steel from Singapore. The world is so short of steel now...wonder what else do they want to cut from us. -
It's Australian airspace that SIA wants permission to fly in - there's no need for an excuse for Australia to say no if it sees fit.Originally posted by seneca04:There might be hidden agenda here... For one, they are not keen for SIA to fly from Australia to US directly.
This is just a perfect execuse for Australia and Qantas to do so. -
I know it's all talk but no action right now. This is really so amusing. I bet that once this guy's gone, they will focus on the infamous 9Originally posted by Gedanken:Bah. Nobody of any consequence is talking of taking any action, so i wouldn't read too much into it.
Anyway, just counting the number of business we have going on with them so it's really pretty funny the fuss they kick up. -
I wonder how Australia would react if Indonesia brought their execution date a week earlier than Nguyen's.
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True e, but it's characteristic of Australians that it's not all business, and they're willing to put business aside for issues that they feel personally about.
Some say it's dumb sentimentality, others say it's character. Six o' one, half a dozen o' the other. -
Probably wouldn't make a difference. As far as the Australian public's concerned, the Bali Nine are dumb as dogsh!t anyway. It's the "I had to do it to save my brother" angle that's got he public going about the Nguyen case.Originally posted by ditzy:I wonder how Australia would react if Indonesia brought their execution date a week earlier than Nguyen's.