Mervyn Tan's show trial was a sham
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felt so pissed when i c ur comments.. u sure u've been through NS??Originally posted by Salman:Most people don't bleed and some don't sweat doing NS. -
He might be one of those who don't bleed and sweat during NS???Originally posted by monoslayer:felt so pissed when i c ur comments.. u sure u've been through NS?? -
I think he and his British citizenship outsmarted the local laws, authorities and courts.
The point is if you got a son, change his citizenship and he becomes untouchable here.
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outsmarted?? its obvious tat the government LET HIM OFF lightly cos he is a famous pianist!! if he is some tom, dick or harry, confirm plus chop inside jail liao loh!! bloody double standard!!Originally posted by macjoe:I think he and his British citizenship outsmarted the local laws, authorities and courts.
The point is if you got a son, change his citizenship and he becomes untouchable here.
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it is common to see blood shed in the artillery.
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this is obvious double standard and he probably knew his "punishment" before he came lar.
by fining him, the court has decided that he is gulity, but i feel the punishment is not fitting.
i ask myself why is he only fined 5k, the reasons are obvious for all to see.
i would have been perfectly happy if he come back and was not punished in any way. this would mean that the gov has got no case against him, but instead we say he is gulity but we only fine him 5k. that is a slap for all of us we did ns.
i agree that this is bad precedence, we would proably have more cases like him now but maybe we won't know about it. -
What about the many who died during the course of doing NS?Originally posted by pat33:S$5000 is a mockery of the thousands of NSmen who sweat, suffer, sacrefice their time and youth and not to mention opportunitties forgone for their country.
And the hundreds who gave up the prime of their youth, setting back their studies, sporting career and businesses for the sake of the nation.
THE SAF spokesman's reply to the Forum Page is standard civil servant nonsense.
The message is clear: leave Singapore if you don't want to serve NS and if you should decide to come back, return after 45 and pay 5k. If you don't make it big overseas, no point coming back anyway. There are no jobs here for non-elites... -
extracted from ST forums.
I REFER to Mr Liew Kai Khiun's letter, 'Are NSmen's sweat and tears worth only $5,000?', and Mr Samuel Oh Chee Ooi's letter, 'What is Mindef's stand on draft dodgers?' (ST, Nov 22).
All able-bodied male Singapore citizens are required to serve national service to contribute to the peace, security and stability of the country. Singaporeans enjoy the socio-economic benefits that this stability brings and are expected to shoulder the responsibility of national defence.
Mindef takes a serious stand on all defaulters who evade their national-service duty. Defaulters will have to bear the consequences of their action and will be dealt with by the courts under the Enlistment Act.
They are, on conviction, liable for an imprisonment term not exceeding three years or a fine not exceeding $5,000, or both. The exact sentence will be determined by the courts.
Besides having to answer to the courts for their national-service offences, defaulters will also have to serve their national service if they are still liable for national service.
In the case of Mr Melvyn Tan, although he had renounced his Singapore citizenship in 1978, he remained liable for the national-service offence and has been dealt with by the courts in accordance with the Enlistment Act.
Colonel Benedict Lim
Director, Public Affairs
Ministry of Defence -
so is he or is he not a singaporean now?
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It's funny that noone has dragged out the issue of income from Myanmar's junta before.Originally posted by iveco:So Singapore practices plea bargaining after all?
Why didn't they make a deal with Ngyuen Tuong Van? THey could have offered to spare his life in return for information on the drug bosses. Or are they too dependent on dirty Burmese money? -
He is not a Singaporean but that is not an issue with the case. If I murder that pianist in Singapore and then renounce my citizen and become a British national in his place, I will still be tried in Singapore if I return to Singapore again.Originally posted by dragg:so is he or is he not a singaporean now?
Doing reservist will never be the same after this case. I cannot blame the kengsters in the army now....guess all MOs will now be much more generous with MCs. Even the chao keng at least make a show of serving NS...let's shut one eye since the government can shut both eyes. -
The reply by Mindef public affairs is rubbish.
Since we have a mandatory death sentence for drug traffikers, how about a mandatory sentence for NS defaulters as well? The maximum sentence under the current enlistment act will do. NS defaulters to get mandatory 3 years jail sentence plus 5k fine. AND they will have to serve national service after that. If they're too old, then make them perform community service for local VWOs. -
hahaOriginally posted by oxford mushroom:He is not a Singaporean but that is not an issue with the case. If I murder that pianist in Singapore and then renounce my citizen and become a British national in his place, I will still be tried in Singapore if I return to Singapore again.
Doing reservist will never be the same after this case. I cannot blame the kengsters in the army now....guess all MOs will now be much more generous with MCs. Even the chao keng at least make a show of serving NS...let's shut one eye since the government can shut both eyes.
i like ur posts
just thinking,
is there anyway at all to make the complaints known to the ministers or did anybody bother to do that at all??
don tell me the ministers keep a clean hand out of it??
if they really do , what are they here anymore..
this incident makes me really don wanna go back for my reservist anymore -
These ppltalk without authority. Its time the Minister for Defence to put in his standOriginally posted by dragg:extracted from ST forums.
I REFER to Mr Liew Kai Khiun's letter, 'Are NSmen's sweat and tears worth only $5,000?', and Mr Samuel Oh Chee Ooi's letter, 'What is Mindef's stand on draft dodgers?' (ST, Nov 22).
All able-bodied male Singapore citizens are required to serve national service to contribute to the peace, security and stability of the country. Singaporeans enjoy the socio-economic benefits that this stability brings and are expected to shoulder the responsibility of national defence.
Mindef takes a serious stand on all defaulters who evade their national-service duty. Defaulters will have to bear the consequences of their action and will be dealt with by the courts under the Enlistment Act.
They are, on conviction, liable for an imprisonment term not exceeding three years or a fine not exceeding $5,000, or both. The exact sentence will be determined by the courts.
Besides having to answer to the courts for their national-service offences, defaulters will also have to serve their national service if they are still liable for national service.
In the case of Mr Melvyn Tan, although he had renounced his Singapore citizenship in 1978, he remained liable for the national-service offence and has been dealt with by the courts in accordance with the Enlistment Act.
Colonel Benedict Lim
Director, Public Affairs
Ministry of Defence -
next time i dun go for reservist or wat, i quote tis case.
den if my son next time skip ns, i aso quote tis case. sg government is really sending the wrong msg tis time. -
There are quite a number of articles regarding this. Lazerlords posted a few links in previous threads.Originally posted by Croaking_Toad:It's funny that noone has dragged out the issue of income from Myanmar's junta before. -
say le like never say one.. not even one piece of information or explaination. waste the newspaper space might as well give the space to other ppleOriginally posted by dragg:extracted from ST forums.
I REFER to Mr Liew Kai Khiun's letter, 'Are NSmen's sweat and tears worth only $5,000?', and Mr Samuel Oh Chee Ooi's letter, 'What is Mindef's stand on draft dodgers?' (ST, Nov 22).
All able-bodied male Singapore citizens are required to serve national service to contribute to the peace, security and stability of the country. Singaporeans enjoy the socio-economic benefits that this stability brings and are expected to shoulder the responsibility of national defence.
Mindef takes a serious stand on all defaulters who evade their national-service duty. Defaulters will have to bear the consequences of their action and will be dealt with by the courts under the Enlistment Act.
They are, on conviction, liable for an imprisonment term not exceeding three years or a fine not exceeding $5,000, or both. The exact sentence will be determined by the courts.
Besides having to answer to the courts for their national-service offences, defaulters will also have to serve their national service if they are still liable for national service.
In the case of Mr Melvyn Tan, although he had renounced his Singapore citizenship in 1978, he remained liable for the national-service offence and has been dealt with by the courts in accordance with the Enlistment Act.
Colonel Benedict Lim
Director, Public Affairs
Ministry of Defence -
The most accidents came from armour I think if you minus the NZ shell explosion a few years back.Originally posted by dragg:it is common to see blood shed in the artillery.
I was from artillery. Switch off compared to infantry and armour. More accidents from playing sports than exercise. -
"Success has many fathers, Failure is a bastard".
In Singapore, as long as you have some achievement to impress the govt and willing to take up citizenship, you can convert from "Foreign Talent" to "Singaporean" easily. Just look at our sports people, all poach from China can already mah. Train so hard for what?
If Mervyn Tan is a nobody, i think he sure kena DB directly. -
The ministers know this is a hot potato to handle...all of them are taking cover now. That colonel in the SAF essentially washed his hands off, saying that they had dealt with him by charging him...it's up to the court to sentence him...nothing to do with SAF.
The responsibility now falls to the AG Chambers....why did the Public Prosecutor not appeal against the sentence? We all know how keen the DPP is with pressing for a harsh sentence to send a stern warning against others who might commit a similar crime.
But not in this case, involving an elite.....I suspect the mastermind who told the judge not to impose a custodial sentence also instructed the DPP not to appeal...
I wish there is an MP I can ask to raise this issue in Parliament...but whilst I have been communicating with the MP in my constituency here in the UK, I don't even know who is my MP in Singapore now, since my constituency changes in every election. The fact is, I got to vote my UK MP as a citizen of the British Commonwealth, but I have never got to vote my MP in Singapore, since it's walkover each time... -
moral of the story is, work hard and be somebody and don't waste your energy whining.
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To be an academic scholar is equal to success otherwise, one has to be a celebrity to claim success. No other measures in between.Originally posted by ObviousMan:"Success has many fathers, Failure is a bastard".
In Singapore, as long as you have some achievement to impress the govt and willing to take up citizenship, you can convert from "Foreign Talent" to "Singaporean" easily. Just look at our sports people, all poach from China can already mah. Train so hard for what?
If Mervyn Tan is a nobody, i think he sure kena DB directly. -
Not true. There are many successful people in Singapore who are not schorlars.
Just open your eyes and see. -
how about this?Originally posted by Salman:moral of the story is, work hard and be somebody and don't waste your energy whining.
Outsmart them, work hard, be somebody and don't waste your time serving NS.
Btw, a little energy wasted on whining is nothing compared with 2 yrs (plus reservist) of life wasted in NS. -
great idea macjoe. work hard and outsmart them.