Can we have cheaper bus fare ?
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do not give me hypothetical cases, if you think you offer the best deal, why be afraid of them? no need to talk so much, just accept their challenge and competition.Originally posted by sbst275:If you want to be realistic I will throw out what pte operators will do in the compeition
Only accept cash, OMTS system... Though fares might be $0.50 for feeder, it is still much ex than the $0.39 with rebate
Why cash only? That's how their claim of cheaper fare works
Will there be student fare? Ans is no... Currently pte operator under PTC rules is that student fare is $0.30... But many driver charge them full adult fare... Obviously concession fare dun talk here -
If you think everything is so easy, we dun need bus rt plannersOriginally posted by snow leopard:
Anyway, you still wun get into your mind that all thks to their cherry picking of bus rts, pte operators gets higher profit margin. Yet you are still protecting them as I can tell you, if govt force them to run all rts, they will just quit. Anyway, there is no garantee that bigger buses such as double decks will be brought in as of the lower fares as promised
Also, they will insist on you back to the 1970's, OMO or OMTS system, carrying of coins and deprive that transfer rebate... Why? That system cost millions of $$$... And they use their excuse to make better margin as no rebates are given...
Adding more buses onto the same frequency does not work at all, it turns out people to be more selfish of not moving to the rear and jamming up the bus stops and roads -
Me thinking too much?Originally posted by snow leopard:do not give me hypothetical cases, if you think you offer the best deal, why be afraid of them? no need to talk so much, just accept their challenge and competition.
I think you have better go read newspaer articles 3 years back when public asked for compeition... Back then, the pte operators had said they wun use farecard payment as of higher startup cost and charge 'low fares' as low from $0.50... It is obviously you have not read much
Accept their challenge? I can tell you, it will end up getting the maximum profit... Already PTC has set feeders runned by pte operators max frequency at 45 mins while 15 mins for SBS svs... Why? Because they know they will cherry pick and they have no obligation at all -
You people stop complainig la, especially 45cents kids!!!
Do u all know that adult fares passengers (64c to 155c) are CROSS SUBSIDISING you kids in terms of bus fares? not to mention we have to squeeze into the buses with u all, let you all kick the back of the bus seats while seating, vandalise, and seat with no priority, not to mention sweaty bodies, and big and smelly loud mouths when u all board the bus as one big gang?
Since we adults pay full fare, its only right that 45c kids stand up to give the adult the seat which he had overpaid for.
And yes, 64c to 155c is an overstated fare, as it is cross subsidised. So an=m i right to say that, since 45c is understated, adult fares are overstated? so what is the trrue value of bus fares?
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Not just that 45c... Even sc and not profitable bus rts lahOriginally posted by 105090:You people stop complainig la, especially 45cents kids!!!
Do u all know that adult fares passengers (64c to 155c) are CROSS SUBSIDISING you kids in terms of bus fares? not to mention we have to squeeze into the buses with u all, let you all kick the back of the bus seats while seating, vandalise, and seat with no priority, not to mention sweaty bodies, and big and smelly loud mouths when u all board the bus as one big gang?
Since we adults pay full fare, its only right that 45c kids stand up to give the adult the seat which he had overpaid for.
And yes, 64c to 155c is an overstated fare, as it is cross subsidised. So an=m i right to say that, since 45c is understated, adult fares are overstated? so what is the trrue value of bus fares? -
yeah . governement gives each family with a GROSS nicome less than $1500, gave each family a $50 voucher. said the $50 can tahan 2 years.. wthOriginally posted by Salman:First of all, what proportion of families in Singapore earn this kind of money?
Secondly, you obviously do not know that the govt already provided assistance for transport to poor families. You would have known it if you really cared for the poor. Don't be a hypocrite my friend. -
By right that $50 is meant to cushion the fare hikeOriginally posted by 105090:yeah . governement gives each family with a GROSS nicome less than $1500, gave each family a $50 voucher. said the $50 can tahan 2 years.. wth
But I dun think $50 can last for that 365 days bah for a family of 4?
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Originally posted by sbst275:
If you think everything is so easy, we dun need bus rt planners
which brings me to my original posting - greater emphasis ought to be placed on providing amenities for individual transportation especially between home and MRT. this would greatly reduce the need for buses or for that matter bus route planners.
Anyway, you still wun get into your mind that all thks to their cherry picking of bus rts, pte operators gets higher profit margin. Yet you are still protecting them as I can tell you, if govt force them to run all rts, they will just quit. Anyway, there is no garantee that bigger buses such as double decks will be brought in as of the lower fares as promised
aren't you sick of your same silly argument? i can understand if a provision shop laments about competition from a supermarket chain. what i cannot understand is the supermarket chain lamenting about unfair compeition from the provision shop ...
Also, they will insist on you back to the 1970's, OMO or OMTS system, carrying of coins and deprive that transfer rebate... Why? That system cost millions of $$$... And they use their excuse to make better margin as no rebates are given...
they use the same system don't they?
Adding more buses onto the same frequency does not work at all, it turns out people to be more selfish of not moving to the rear and jamming up the bus stops and roads
nobody said add more buses, just more competition, how many times must u be reminded? can you give an estimation of how many millions of dollars are lost each year due to people not moving to the rear? besides, wouldn't this "phenomenon" afflict both public and private operators alike? so it doesn't explain why public bus companies are charging higher than privates ones does it? furthermore, if there are so many people in the bus that it jams up the bus, doesn't it say something about the inadequacy in service level? -
Originally posted by sbst275:
I think you have better go read newspaer articles 3 years back when public asked for compeition... Back then, the pte operators had said they wun use farecard payment as of higher startup cost and charge 'low fares' as low from $0.50... It is obviously you have not read much
you sure? i believe transitlink cards are used in private buses as well, they certainly are in McDonald's. it's good to read up, but it would be stupid to think that the world stood as it did three years ago.
Accept their challenge? I can tell you, it will end up getting the maximum profit... Already PTC has set feeders runned by pte operators max frequency at 45 mins while 15 mins for SBS svs... Why? Because they know they will cherry pick and they have no obligation at all
still not sick of your stupid argument? tell u what, let's swop the two around. from now on, all public buses and routes will be given to private operators including yearly profits of $45 million and in return public bus company get to "cherry pick" from 36 routes ... and only 36 routes. now how's that? -
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That concession fare is a obligation from public operators... And they need fares to subsidise unprofitable bus rts, when it is opened up, I dun think there would be as of that claimed $0.50 fare (I dun think possible now as Scheme B bus fare went up 20% 3 mths back)
If we want to open up, the operator also has to take some unprofitable rts, to be fair.
Also, there has to be promises that buses have proper departure time and not like current Scheme B buses, leave only when the bus is packed
If they are not willing to bear some losses as like the current operators, then dun run. If you are not willing to lose, why play or try? -
fair enough, however we need to ask ourselves what is the role of the public bus service? to provide a public service at cost or to make handsome profits? if the two are mutually incompatible then perhaps the two functions shouldn't exist in the same company.Originally posted by sbst275:Anyway...
That concession fare is a obligation from public operators... And they need fares to subsidise unprofitable bus rts, when it is opened up, I dun think there would be as of that claimed $0.50 fare (I dun think possible now as Scheme B bus fare went up 20% 3 mths back)
If we want to open up, the operator also has to take some unprofitable rts, to be fair.
Also, there has to be promises that buses have proper departure time and not like current Scheme B buses, leave only when the bus is packed
If they are not willing to bear some losses as like the current operators, then dun run. If you are not willing to lose, why play or try?
one possibility around the dilemma is this. all profitable routes are to be turned over to private operators. the public bus company only operates the non-profitable routes, thus satisfying its role as a provider of public services without the ambiguity of attempting to fleece from the population at the same time. costs can be recovered through contributions from private bus companies on the basis of their respective revenues. this can be easily automated through the use of the ezlink system.
but will the public bus company give up its monopoly profits and be contented with just recovering costs? i don't think so ... hence the notion of the need for excessive profits to make up for unprofitable routes is at best another lame duck excuse at monopolising profits ... like so many other stupid excuses we've been told here ... -
I don't think it is appropriate to increase bus fares when operators profited $45m. Reasons given not convincing.
Changing of bus fleet - who cares a damn whether the bus is old or new.
Air con buses - Do you know that I have a neighbour who would purposely wait at the bus stop for non air con bus just to save the 15cents per trip?
Improve services - It is a common sight that grumbly SBS bus drivers shouting for passengers to move to the rear when there is really no place to move at all. Bus drivers are merely going through motion just to show that they are working. This is a main cause for delay. -
actually, i dont really care abt whether it's an aircon bus or an non-aircon bus. all i want is NO road-hogging.Originally posted by Agressor:
I don't think it is appropriate to increase bus fares when operators profited $45m. Reasons given not convincing.
Changing of bus fleet - who cares a damn whether the bus is old or new.people do care. they want low floor buses, more double decks, more bendies, LEDs in buses, *SEND services for bus arrival timings.
Air con buses - Do you know that I have a neighbour who would purposely wait at the bus stop for non air con bus just to save the 15cents per trip?
okay, there are also ppl who wud rather wait for an aircon bus.
Improve services - It is a common sight that grumbly SBS bus drivers shouting for passengers to move to the rear when there is really no place to move at all. Bus drivers are merely going through motion just to show that they are working. This is a main cause for delay.
i would agree that they are grumpy. but i would disagree that there is no space left for passengers to move to the rear. for SDs, ppl do not want to stand after the exit door, for bendies, after the trailer, for DDs, the standee area.
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To those who still wanna insist, I have this to say...
How much cheaper the private operator can claim is a mere 4 cents for to and fro trip if it is based on their 3 year ago claim of $0.50
But since they have raised their current fares to $0.60, it is much ex... $1.20 to and fro vs SBS's $1.03 -
hiseochin, I know is you...
You gave yourself away... Even talking abt JB buses, you did not acknowledge that SG govt gave concession to JB buses through Vehicle Permit that is cheaper than the road tax that SBS is paying...
If you want to argue well, get to the issue of seeing IF private operator were to run, can they change their attitude of only wanting packed buses and whether are they willing to run unprofitable services because of service obligation -
hmmm ... hiseochin ... never came across this nick before ... sounds like "he's your chin" ...Originally posted by sbst275:hiseochin, I know is you...
You gave yourself away... Even talking abt JB buses, you did not acknowledge that SG govt gave concession to JB buses through Vehicle Permit that is cheaper than the road tax that SBS is paying...
If you want to argue well, get to the issue of seeing IF private operator were to run, can they change their attitude of only wanting packed buses and whether are they willing to run unprofitable services because of service obligation
you can't even hold your logic well you have the cheek to comment on others? : )
and u never seem to have enough of your stupid logic have you? -
gee... theres no way to please every1... Chg of fleet for instance,
1 forumnite dun give a damn of old or new bus, but another wants air-con full blasts and comfy seats... wth
if u just dun like the way it is, u either wait for the next bus loh or jus dun take bus...
And 1 more, Overcrowding. U can avoid them during AM/PM peak. Innovations by sbst like FFW services and Express... Still dun want pay more? den its up to u loh -
yup. simple and nicely put.Originally posted by SBS9828X:gee... theres no way to please every1... Chg of fleet for instance,
1 forumnite dun give a damn of old or new bus, but another wants air-con full blasts and comfy seats... wth
if u just dun like the way it is, u either wait for the next bus loh or jus dun take bus...
And 1 more, Overcrowding. U can avoid them during AM/PM peak. Innovations by sbst like FFW services and Express... Still dun want pay more? den its up to u loh -
If wanna have compeition, start from feeder sv... Have a agreement written in black and white the pte operators promise and for the term (Time)... If they find the sv is not profitable say 1 qtr later, they still have to provide the sv standard at the time they promised..
The reason why current pte bus sv are no longer popular is partly operator anyohow operate (Like, operate, dun like, dun)... Another reason is that ppl know their mentality, will stop at every bus stop and stop longer so as to get more passengers -
can learn from JB bus operator! charge low bus fares, driver even earn commission from our bus fares, they do n't even require bus inspector, bus driver act as inspector. average waiting time 15 min, if buses break down waiting time can be 1 hour, RM 2.20 air con travel 10 mile, cheap?Originally posted by sbst275:If wanna have compeition, start from feeder sv... Have a agreement written in black and white the pte operators promise and for the term (Time)... If they find the sv is not profitable say 1 qtr later, they still have to provide the sv standard at the time they promised..
The reason why current pte bus sv are no longer popular is partly operator anyohow operate (Like, operate, dun like, dun)... Another reason is that ppl know their mentality, will stop at every bus stop and stop longer so as to get more passengers
China, shenzhen, bus fare maximum fare RMB 6.00, minimum fare RMB 2.00, taxi fare start up RMB 12.50, for next 3 km, our taxi S$2.40, for 250 m only.
the above 2 country their diesel are heavy subsi around 30% from GOV.
our PTE operator run SUN service, ferry the TEKKA crowd, they run specific hour, only require by the TEKKA crowd, stop every where there is black that flat their hand along the road, and they try not to pick up from bus stop, may be they know picking up @ bus stop require LTA green light -
anyone been to KL Central Market? there's a bus terminal behind. the inspectors/drivers shout and "invite" people to take bus. very weird.
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I don't mind this current fare if the frequency increases!!!!!
Very long waits, overcrowded buses.
Bus no. 174 at around 6.30pm is nightmarish!