Singapore sacks hangman before Australian execution
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It's like this: if the Death Penalty cannot be done away with, it is humane as humans, to take away the pain and suffering involved in dying.
Even if the person who is adminsitered lethal injections starts to convulse, at least the said person is unconscious, and does not feel a thing. It's just involuntary bodily reactions.
Think it this way; if you have a bad tooth and it's aching the bejesus out of you, you'd definitely want that tooth out of your mouth ASAP. A tooth extraction is a tooth extraction, but which do you prefer; with or without the codeine jabs?? The jabs that numbs your entire mouth prior to extraction.
I implore that our government make our Law governing capital punishment, more HUMANE, even though there is no lesson to be learnt from death by the condemned soul. -
what is the reason for insisting on using the hanging method. any idea?
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I think they were trying to be more humane too ....Originally posted by dragg:what is the reason for insisting on using the hanging method. any idea?
the drop method of hanging is definitely more humane than say, electrocution or the firing squad .... thing is people often get confused from the type that people commit suicide with ... (you know, the one where you tie a rope up a tree and kick away the chair ) ... now that one is a nasty death ....
I'm not sure if the lethal injection method would be any improvement though ..... if it' s implemented -
i tend to believe it is the cost factor.Originally posted by Fatum:I think they were trying to be more humane too ....
the drop method of hanging is definitely more humane than say, electrocution or the firing squad .... thing is people often get confused from the type that people commit suicide with ... (you know, the one where you tie a rope up a tree and kick away the chair ) ... now that one is a nasty death ....
I'm not sure if the lethal injection method would be any improvement though ..... if it' s implemented -
reminds me of china, they charge the cost of execution to the family of the one executed, dunno how many RMB for a bullet.Originally posted by dragg:i tend to believe it is the cost factor. -
what ? ... electricity bills are high ? ... bullets are expensive ? ...Originally posted by dragg:i tend to believe it is the cost factor.
I guess the humanitarian aspect of this extends beyond a quick death for the condemned as well .... the condemned's families get back a nice, whole body with no overt signs of trama, no burn marks from electric shocks, no bullet holes ... it's unfortunate that the criminals' families has to pay for their crimes as well (but i suppose the victims' families are victims too ) ..... but i suppose getting back a body with no obvious signs of trama would make things easier for them eh ... -
That's the medieval and dark ages.Originally posted by Salman:Beheading is the best and most honourable way to die. No erection, no pain, no poisons in the body, just die. I suggest we use the guillotine cos its strong and guaranteed to do the job.
Plus you get to harvest the usabel parts to save people.
And for those who think lethal injection is > hanging, then it's really a relative choice.
As soon as someone discovers another method to execution which appears far more humane then the current methods, people are going to scorn the existing ways and jump ship to the new. -
the equipment and accessories. hanging doesnt require much.Originally posted by Fatum:what ? ... electricity bills are high ? ... bullets are expensive ? ...
I guess the humanitarian aspect of this extends beyond a quick death for the condemned as well .... the condemned's families get back a nice, whole body with no overt signs of trama, no burn marks from electric shocks, no bullet holes ... it's unfortunate that the criminals' families has to pay for their crimes as well (but i suppose the victims' families are victims too ) ..... but i suppose getting back a body with no obvious signs of trama would make things easier for them eh ... -
okie ... perhaps an electric chair may be expensive ... but i was googling on the US death penalty the other day ... and one of the state's electric chair was home made ! .... as for the firing squad .... expensive ? ...Originally posted by dragg:the equipment and accessories. hanging doesnt require much.
... bullets cost 50cents each ... and a prison already has guns for their guards, no ? ...
I still think we chose hanging out of humanitarian considerations -
i am not about to challenge you on this. i am not sure too.Originally posted by Fatum:okie ... perhaps an electric chair may be expensive ... but i was googling on the US death penalty the other day ... and one of the state's electric chair was home made ! .... as for the firing squad .... expensive ? ... ... bullets cost 50cents each ... and a prison already has guns for their guards, no ? ...
I still think we chose hanging out of humanitarian considerations -
yups .......Originally posted by dragg:i am not about to challenge you on this. i am not sure too.
but there's another question ....
do they ask the condemned if they want to allow his organs to be harvested or something ?... with all the chaps waiting for a kidney or a heart .... the condemned chap can save a few lives in return ... and perhaps earn a few brownie points with the big guy upstairs eh ....
anyone knows about the policy on this ? ...
(that probably won't work for lethal injections though ... all the organs would be contaminated eh .. ) -
i thought a new law has already been enacted for this. if you dont opt out they consider you agree.Originally posted by Fatum:yups .......
but there's another question ....
do they ask the condemned if they want to allow his organs to be harvested or something ?... with all the chaps waiting for a kidney or a heart .... the condemned chap can save a few lives in return ... and perhaps earn a few brownie points with the big guy upstairs eh ....
anyone knows about the policy on this ? ...
(that probably won't work for lethal injections though ... all the organs would be contaminated eh .. ) -
that's just for accidents i believe .... but for executions too ? ...Originally posted by dragg:i thought a new law has already been enacted for this. if you dont opt out they consider you agree.
I know for sure they don't bother with consent forms in china ... a chinese chappie's mother here is a doctor back home ... and she has to visit the execution grounds in guang dong regularly to harvest fresh organs ! ...
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It better than firing squad where the body splatters.Originally posted by BillyBong:That's the medieval and dark ages.
And for those who think lethal injection is > hanging, then it's really a relative choice.
As soon as someone discovers another method to execution which appears far more humane then the current methods, people are going to scorn the existing ways and jump ship to the new.
Injection poisons the body parts that could have been used to save lives.
Hanging causes humiliating erections.
Beheading is fast and painless.
And you get to die honourably like samurai. -
Yes for executions.Originally posted by Fatum:that's just for accidents i believe .... but for executions too ? ...
I know for sure they don't bother with consent forms in china ... a chinese chappie's mother here is a doctor back home ... and she has to visit the execution grounds in guang dong regularly to harvest fresh organs ! ... -
what the fuck lar, why must fly in one.I dont want to study and become one, SERIOUS!
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In Singapore, if u can last for 5 minute when u are hanged and not died, then u will be free because u have cheated death.Originally posted by Icemoon:Hanging is inhumane.
we should use injection. machiam going for operation like that.
In the 1960s in S'pore, it is say that there is this person who get hanged, when he is being hanged, the rope break off and he survived. As a result, he is being deported out of the country secretly. Wonder is it true? -
kinda awkward question for this forum,Originally posted by sinicker:is it true that the person to be hanged is naked when they're about to go on the rope?
is it true that the penis will erect when the person to be hanged is gasping for air?
but yes.
the guy will erect.
if he beats off then he will attain the so called "ultimate high".
it's called erotic asphyxiation.
you deprive your body of oxygen and beat off your meat.
Don't try it though, it's very dangerous and almost all who tried it died through suffocation.
btw, anybd got the picture of the executioner? -
hang with a thin steel wire then, surely will die one.
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Just a stupid question here.
Singapore is following its own law, While Australia is asking for some humanity.
Can we just avoid the conflict by asking the presidential pardon???? The guy however can still remain in Changi Prison under Singapore's custody.
In this way, both sides can save face. -
Pardon has been denied. The mother even wrote personally to the Queen. But no reply from her.Originally posted by yuppy4life:Just a stupid question here.
Singapore is following its own law, While Australia is asking for some humanity.
Can we just avoid the conflict by asking the presidential pardon???? The guy however can still remain in Changi Prison under Singapore's custody.
In this way, both sides can save face. -
no, a pardon will mean losing face for singapore.Originally posted by yuppy4life:Just a stupid question here.
Singapore is following its own law, While Australia is asking for some humanity.
Can we just avoid the conflict by asking the presidential pardon???? The guy however can still remain in Changi Prison under Singapore's custody.
In this way, both sides can save face. -
how ? ....Originally posted by yuppy4life:Just a stupid question here.
Singapore is following its own law, While Australia is asking for some humanity.
Can we just avoid the conflict by asking the presidential pardon???? The guy however can still remain in Changi Prison under Singapore's custody.
In this way, both sides can save face.
this thing has blown up so big, there is not gracefull way for either side to back down ... how can this chap get a presidential pardon when we've been hanging our own chappies ? .... or why should this chap get a goodbye hug from his mom when other chaps hanged previously had to follow the no contact rule ? ...
i think it's a good lesson in the destructive power of the (aussie) press, and what over sensationalism can do ....
perhaps if things were nice and quiet from the start ... a quiet word from one FM to the next and the chap may just have to rot away for the rest of his life in changi prison (on Singapore tax-payers expense), it is sad ... but with this kind of scrutiny, there is no way out but to execute the chappie .... -
anyway australian channel 9 current affairs conducted a poll asking people if they think Singapore should hang Nguyen.
Result was:-
54% yes
46% no -
At least the number of people who oppose capital punishment is significant enough. The poll exposed deep divisions with regards to this issue.Originally posted by TehJarVu:anyway australian channel 9 current affairs conducted a poll asking people if they think Singapore should hang Nguyen.
Result was:-
54% yes
46% no