Does it worth it to spend $2million
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Is construction really that expensive??? I have my doubt, unless you can tell me having more than 20+ metal pillars anc concrete flooring + very bright lighting cost 2 million, of course with the labour costs and machinery.Originally posted by Salman:On what basis do you say it is scary? Don't you know construction is expensive in Singapore? -
And why not?
The only way to convince you is for you to get quotes first hand isn't it? -
so the only way to convince you is only by propaganda?Originally posted by Salman:And why not?
The only way to convince you is for you to get quotes first hand isn't it? -
building a car park a propaganda?
aren't you skewed in your mind? -
what labour cost? all from India & bangla. who is the construction company?Originally posted by soloken:Is construction really that expensive??? I have my doubt, unless you can tell me having more than 20+ metal pillars anc concrete flooring + very bright lighting cost 2 million, of course with the labour costs and machinery. -
$2m is definitely worth it. carparks can earn a lot of $$$ with a month. can earn the amount back probably within 2 yrs.
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Are you sure can earn back the $2million in two years??Originally posted by qooorange:$2m is definitely worth it. carparks can earn a lot of $$$ with a month. can earn the amount back probably within 2 yrs.
Assuming half of the carrpark ie around 40 lots, fully utilise from 7am to 10pm that is 15hours a day, couponed at $2 an hour that give you ($2X15hoursx40lots*365days) = $438,000 per year, it will takes close to 4.6 years to recover le...of course this has not minus the Sunday free parking.
Of course lets add the 40 lots for resident, open air carpark is $75 per month that works out to ($75 per month x 40 lots x 12 months) $36,000 per year, thus it only reduce the payback period to around 4 years.
I am just wondering when this temperory carpark will last?? -
there are 89 lots right?Originally posted by soloken:Are you sure can earn back the $2million in two years??
Assuming half of the carrpark ie around 40 lots, fully utilise from 7am to 10pm that is 15hours a day, couponed at $2 an hour that give you ($2X15hoursx40lots*365days) = $438,000 per year, it will takes close to 4.6 years to recover le...of course this has not minus the Sunday free parking.
Of course lets add the 40 lots for resident, open air carpark is $75 per month that works out to ($75 per month x 40 lots x 12 months) $36,000 per year, thus it only reduce the payback period to around 4 years.
I am just wondering when this temperory carpark will last?? -
I will only convince if they can provide the breakdown. It serve no purpose whethere they have 3 quotes or not, cause the agenda is probably known or unknown.Originally posted by Salman:And why not?
The only way to convince you is for you to get quotes first hand isn't it? -
ok lets add the additional 9 lots, its still require hoovering around 4 years for payback.Originally posted by dragg:there are 89 lots right? -
Not sure if it is the right tiime, foreign talents does not count the vote. Anyway, it is more to the commercial aspects they are looking at, all the shops, bars, restaurants, etc...are loosing out because of lack of business. I have no qualms in them having to build the carpark, but i just felt that it is not rightly located and with such a cost for a simple carpark.Originally posted by Medicated Oil:When you have tonnes of foreign talent nagging you every day on the lack of parking space at Holland Village, you have to do something about it.
Since they are foreign talent, you have to make them happy.
If they are not happy, then they will leave Singapore for other place.
At the same time. the Holland Villiage residents also very bay song that they have pay so much parking fee every month and ended up with no parking space.
Of course, if you are living in the area, you will definitely complain also.
Please note that the carpark was built at the "right " time before a great event going to happened.
If you have any complaints about the facilities at your constituency, please kindly voice it out LOUD.
This opportunity only happens once in 4 years.
Just like the Olympics.
Once the moment is over, you have to live with the defect.
Unless the ST publish your comments on the forums.
I just feel that they should built in near blk 15 behind NTUC or behing Holland V which is more appropriate. -
Definately not going into yours or my account...Originally posted by qooorange:$2m is definitely worth it. carparks can earn a lot of $$$ with a month. can earn the amount back probably within 2 yrs.
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I dont think you should add season parking into the sum. revenue from season remain doesn't matter if it has been bulit or not.Originally posted by soloken:ok lets add the additional 9 lots, its still require hoovering around 4 years for payback.
Ok let say no Free Sunday parkings, it will definately takes 4 year to breakeven for 2 mill.
Solution:- Increase parking fees - that was the reason for last increase of parking & removal of free weekend parking. So who is losing in the end. You & I pay for the 2 million spent on a temp carpark for temp solution. -
Increase parking fees is not a solution, on the immediate term is to understand the breakdown of the $2 million spend. I am in favour of building carpark cos it makes economical sense to the shopowner there, to have a vibrant shopping area. Next, will be the valuation loss for the residents that residing at Blk 12 near the carpark as the property value will deplete as it is the carpark is too close for comfort. The residents will probably loose out for the next few years without increasing their property value.Originally posted by euphratis:I dont think you should add season parking into the sum. revenue from season remain doesn't matter if it has been bulit or not.
Ok let say no Free Sunday parkings, it will definately takes 4 year to breakeven for 2 mill.
Solution:- Increase parking fees - that was the reason for last increase of parking & removal of free weekend parking. So who is losing in the end. You & I pay for the 2 million spent on a temp carpark for temp solution.
What amase me is that the structure of the carpark do not have the 2million fee and also why not take the opportunity to increase one more level since the objective is to increase the vibrancy of Holland V.
Lastly, why was it constructed there and not somewhere near blk 15? -
well, it's tax money that we've GIVEN away to the men in whites. it's not like they are going to return us back or reduce our tax even if they dun build this build that. 2 million is really a tiny tiny sum to the garment. just hope that watever they build will really benefit us lorOriginally posted by euphratis:are they really short of carparks? or are they really too "short" (in the brain) to park further & walk...
Of course if ever tommy, dicky & harry wants to park next to cold storage. u there will be shortage. I been there. Nobody wants to park at this new building. it was empty Why? u have to walk & climb the stairs. In the end ppl are still waiting at the old car park for lots....
2 mill for how many parking lots again? This is your tax money...
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Prior the construction of the temporary car park deck, LTA had spent $100K to upgrade the Holland V carpark in mid 2004. Here was my contribution to cutwaste panel.
From LTA reply, the new car park deck will still be there after Holland Village station is built.
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I had earlier commented on the $100K spent to enhance Holland V carpark in mid 2004.
LTA had earlier performed survey on the demand on carpark lots in that carpark, that $100K could have be saved.
Now, in less than a year, another $2.08m will be spent to built a temporary carpark deck for 80 vehicles.
During the construction, more parking spaces were gone. If only LTA had done a demand analysis, that $100K cold have be saved and that temporary carpark deck could have be built earlier too.
Cheers!
Category : Transport
Subject : Car Park Upgrading
Suggestion : LTA had recently awarded a car park upgrading project for Holland Village at a sum of $100K.
The upgraded car park at Holland Village had seen no increase in the number of car park lots.
The same site would probably be a big construction site when the Circle Line Phase 5 project kick in. As the site sits between the proposed Holland and Buona Vista stations.
Why upgrade a car park when it derived benefits are not long lasting and essential?
Date of Reply : 05/07/2004
Reply : Thank you for your feedback.
To facilitate the construction of Holland Station of the Circle Line (CCL), two car parks in the Holland Village area will be closed from 25 Oct 2004. The car park at the junction of Holland Road / Holland Avenue will be reopened after construction works are completed around 2008. The other carpark at Taman Warna will have part of it occupied by one of the entrances of Holland Station, and the rest of it will be reinstated after construction completes.
To address parking demand due to the closure of these car parks, LTA has completed the following works as part of the car park upgrading contract:
1) Reconfigured the car park next to Block 14, adding 30 car park lots, increasing the number of lots to 328.
2) Widened the access road to allow for two exit lanes.
3) Erected signs along the road to direct motorists to these parking lots and directional signs on pedestrian walkway to lead them to Holland Village.
This upgraded car park will not be affected by CCL construction works and will remain even after Holland Station is completed.
Should you require further clarification, please feel free to contact us at Tel: 6858 7621 or email at [email protected].
Leow Yew Chin
Cut Waste Secretariat
Land Transport Authority
DID: 6858 7621
[email protected]
Date of Reply : 17/08/2005
Reply : Clarification
We thank you for your feedback.
The earlier works carried out in 2004, such as the widening of the access road, included preparatory works for the construction of the Circle Line Holland station. As an intermediate solution to alleviate the parking demand, we provided parking lots along the access road. Some were removed when the final traffic scheme was completed. As part of the earlier works, we also added 30 lots by reconfiguring the existing carpark. It may have been perceived that there had been no increase because of the removal of some lots previously barricaded off by the Police for security reasons. This upgraded car park will not be affected by the Circle Line construction works and will remain even after Holland Station is completed.
LTA had reviewed the parking demand together with URA and HDB. There are more than 200 parking spaces available in the multi-storey car parks, Blocks 5A and 10A. These car parks are within a few minutes? walk to the Holland Village. Nevertheless, we monitored the traffic condition with URA and HDB and found that motorists are reluctant to utilise the alternative car parking facilities. We had also received feedback from residents. To address these concerns, we decided to implement the car park deck.
URA and HDB are working on the upgrading and redevelopment plans for the area. The car park deck may be removed or retained, depending on their final plans. So far, there has been no decision made on its removal.
Should you require further clarification, please feel free to contact us at Tel: 6375 7085 or email at [email protected]. Thank you.
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when will gahment cut the red tape. It think some top ppl r ready to move forward but ppl at the bottom stills like to sit on things, work the good old ways, dont change , dont disturb, just like me retire attitude...
feedback. yes good. but not action or not taken seriously. sad case. these r public money. -
They probably have bigger plans for that piece of land. They are tearing down the community club, the HDB branch office building, and soon the Swimming pool. That car park together with Blk 14, 15, 16, 17, 22, 23, swimming complex will probably provide HDB with more land mass for more 40 storeys flats.Originally posted by soloken:Lastly, why was it constructed there and not somewhere near blk 15? -
ok but we do not know what is after tearing down?? The 40 storeys flats is at the old blk 18, not the Blk 14, 15, 16, 17, 22, 23, swimming complex. maybe they can tell us more what are they going to do after tear down?Originally posted by iamgoondu:They probably have bigger plans for that piece of land. They are tearing down the community club, the HDB branch office building, and soon the Swimming pool. That car park together with Blk 14, 15, 16, 17, 22, 23, swimming complex will probably provide HDB with more land mass for more 40 storeys flats. -
[quote]Originally posted by iamgoondu:
[b]Prior the construction of the temporary car park deck, LTA had spent $100K to upgrade the Holland V carpark in mid 2004. Here was my contribution to cutwaste panel.
From LTA reply, the new car park deck will still be there after Holland Village station is built.
Thought the circle line will be ready in 2010, so the $2million spend may or maynot be covered back on time.... -
Enbloc for Blk 18 and 19 was announced in 1996, residents moved to Dawson place in 1998. It took them 10 years to decide to built 40 storeys of flats there.Originally posted by soloken:ok but we do not know what is after tearing down?? The 40 storeys flats is at the old blk 18, not the Blk 14, 15, 16, 17, 22, 23, swimming complex. maybe they can tell us more what are they going to do after tear down?
Many lands acquired through SERS still left vacant, like Margaret Drive, Alexandra Road/Tiong bahru Road, Outram park/Outram Hill, after many years.
By extrapolation, plans for the acqurired Holland Drive SERS Site could probably announced only in 2020. As a resident, hopefully that's not the case. -
That means no swimming pool anymore...sad to say that it is one of the better swimming pool built at its time.Originally posted by iamgoondu:Enbloc for Blk 18 and 19 was announced in 1996, residents moved to Dawson place in 1998. It took them 10 years to decide to built 40 storeys of flats there.
Many lands acquired through SERS still left vacant, like Margaret Drive, Alexandra Road/Tiong bahru Road, Outram park/Outram Hill, after many years.
By extrapolation, plans for the acqurired Holland Drive SERS Site could probably announced only in 2020. As a resident, hopefully that's not the case. -
I have not idea how the LTA works but if u notice those land are planned for development, upgrading were still being done like walk ways & etc. I cannot remember which estate. it was such a waste.
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Not sure if you are referring the MUP in Farrer Road (Farrer Gardens, Tanglin Gardens). The CCL phase 4 (Farrer Road) construction has removed many of the landscaping, shelters and walkways, at their place are many HUGE cylinders instead.Originally posted by euphratis:I have not idea how the LTA works but if u notice those land are planned for development, upgrading were still being done like walk ways & etc. I cannot remember which estate. it was such a waste.
Another form of dynamism? After 3 years of MUP, another 3 years of chaos for CCL.
Anyway when CCL roll into in 2010, the residents will rejoice. -
More construction is always good, Gives more jobs to Singaporeans, and helps to build the economy as well. Of course given to small business private contractors will help to support their revenues