Parents--will ur kids become part of Aussie drugs problems
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Hi All Mods
The alarming facts : Australian secondary studentsÂ’ use of over-the-counter
and illicit substances in 2002
I think it worth to discuss the drugs problems in Aussie
for too may parents send their kids there.
I am not asking them not to do so.Just hope they get a full
picture and decide.
Pl let them have some info and decide.Pl read secondart students drugs problems below.
If any one studied there,pl give your true and unbiased info and stated
where , when,and what are u doing there.
2. Mods,will u reconsider sending ur kids there after u read this .ALMOST half of all Australians aged under 25 have used illicit drugs and view their use as acceptable.
Only 20 million people in Aussie. 5 times of Sg.
Although possession or use of most illicit drugs could result in a jail sentence, research shows more than six million people of all ages were undeterred.
Almost half of them took illicit drugs other than marijuana and 2.5 million in total had used illicit drugs of some kind in the past year.
One in three Australians have tried marijuana at least once.
3.Aussie
government drugs reports
by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW):
2004 National Drug Strategy Household Survey: Detailed Findings
Statistics on Drug Use in Australia 2004
4.Tell your friends and relatives their kids are studing there
or they going to send their kids there this message.
DUNT TELL them what to do.Let them decide.
u just tell them,full stop.They may scold u.
Just do u think is right.U have done ur part.
5.The alarming facts : Australian secondary studentsÂ’ use of over-the-counter
and illicit substances in 2002.Report prepared for:
Drug Strategy Branch
Australian Government Department
of Health and Ageing
Report prepared by: March 2004.Centre for Behavioural Research in Cancer
Cancer Control Research Institute
The Cancer Council Victoria.
Frequency in % of abuses
Substances Never Ever Year Month Week
analgesics....4.9.......95.1....92.0.....69.7.....40.6
Tranquillisers83.8.... 16.2.... 9.4..... 4.1....... 2.4
Cannabis......75.0..... 25.0... 20.7... 11.4..... 6.6
Inhalants......79.5..... 20.5 ...14.9 ...9.3........ 5.8
Hallucinogens95.6..... 4.4 ....3.1....... 1.6....... 1.0
Amphetamines93.4..... 6.6....5.0...... 2.6........1.5
Cocaine...........96.9......3.1 ...2.2..... 1.3.........0.82.8 Definitions of frequency of drug use
pl read my post on 29.11.2005
Students were asked how many times they had used a particular drug within specified time periods. For each substance we report the prevalence of use within the time periods asked about (past week, past month, past year and lifetime) for all students and males and females in each age
group between 12 and 17 years.
The categories of use reported are:
Never: Those who had never used the substance.
Ever: Those who indicated any use of the substance,
either in their lifetime, the past month, or past week (ever use).
Year: Those who had used the substance within the past year.
Month: Those who had used the substance within the
four weeks prior to completing the survey.
Week: Those who had used the substance within
the seven days prior to completing the survey.
These categories are not mutually exclusive but rather
overlap so that a student who reported having used a
substance in the past week was included.
2.7 Definitions of substances
The drug categories used in this report were identical
to the categories used in the questionnaire and follow
the descriptions and examples provided to students, as follows:
Amphetamines: Amphetamines or speed, uppers, MDA, Ritalin, ‘Dex’,
Dexamphetamine, ox blood other than for medical reasons.
Cocaine: Cocaine or crack.
Ecstasy: Ecstasy or XTC, E, MDMA, Ecci, X.
Hallucinogens: LSD, ‘acid’, ‘trips’, Magic Mushrooms, Datura, Angel’s Trumpet.
Inhalants: Deliberately sniffed (inhaled) from spray cans or sniffed things
like glue, paint, petrol or thinners in order to get high or for the
way it makes you feel.
Cannabis: Marijuana, grass, hash, cannabis, dope, weed, mull, pot or a joint.
Opiates: Heroin, smack, horse, skag, or other opiates (narcotics) such
as methadone, morphine or pethidine other than for medical
reasons.
Analgesics: Painkillers/analgesics such as ‘Disprin’, Panadol’ or ‘Aspro’.
Tranquillisers: Sleeping tablets, tranquillisers or sedatives such as ‘Rohies’,
‘Rohypnol’, ‘Barbs’, ‘Valium’ or ‘Serepax’, for non-medical
reasons.
Steroids: Steroids, muscle or roids without a doctorÂ’s prescription
to make you better at sport, to increase muscle size or
to improve your general appearance. -
Mod no one to make me pregnant....so how to have kids... manicure nails....Originally posted by lionnoisy:Hi All Mods
2. Mods,will u reconsider sending ur kids there after u read this . -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
I wonder ... what are the statistics in Singapore? Are we any better?
Hi All Mods
I think it worth to discuss the drugs problems in Aussie
for too may parents send their kids there.
I am not asking them not to do so.Just hope they get a full
picture and decide.
Pl let them have some info and decide.
If any one studied there,pl give your true and unbiased info and stated
where , when,and what are u doing there.
2. Mods,will u reconsider sending ur kids there after u read this .
Only 20 million people in Aussie. 5 times of Sg.
3.[b]Aussie
government drugs reports
by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW):
2004 National Drug Strategy Household Survey: Detailed Findings
Statistics on Drug Use in Australia 2004
4.Tell your friends and relatives their kids are studing there
or they going to send their kids there this message.
DUNT TELL them what to do.Let them decide.
u just tell them,full stop.They may scold u.
Just do u think is right.U have done ur part.[/b] -
Read http://www.sana.org.sg/news2002.htmOriginally posted by pikamaster:I wonder ... what are the statistics in Singapore? Are we any better?
Definitely better....the army is a good time to pick up drug addicts among the men and although we will never know the size of the invisible problem, we have a fairly good idea from the army boy cohort. Those who are caught are sent to detention barracks, of course, and I know their cells are not full yet. -
It is much better in Spore,thanks to the mandatory death penalty
The results speaks volume for death penalty:Spore arrest
2.u can said this may be the tip of iceberg.Well u may be right.
Year.. Total no. of drugs ......First time abusers
............abusers..arrested........arrested
1993....5857................................1293
2003....1785..................................714
But how about millions in Aussie as quoted above by Aussie media and
official report.
3.Even with such harsh law,fr time to time u can learn fr media
drugs were found in Spore.I wonder what would happen
if we send a warn singal to local and foreign drugs traffickers.
Dunt allow lenient punishment for drugs found which is
for foerign destination .We would have more agruments in court.
Desides,it is Spore
international oligations to address drugs problems. -
Using drugs before isn't really a problem, abusing and being addicted to it then is a problem, how many actually are abusing and being addicted to drugs??
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many people 'abuse' cigatettes.......how many will admit that they are cigarette addicts?
If they are true to themselves, they must admit that most, if not all smokers will not be able to quit without terrific will power...........ie......they are addicted to nicotine, physically and psychologically...........
What about drugs?.....1000x worse than cigarettes...... -
It is harder to get drugs than cigarette , some drugs like party drugs are definitely not more worse than cigarettes.
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we have to praise Victorian
government to use 9 languages ,beside English,to inform
drugs problems
Shall Sg take a cue from them?? -
My God! Over 90% of Australian secondary school students' have used over-the-counter and illicit substances in 2002.Do u think it will
be better or worse now?
What is the chance of seconadry students involved in drugs--
Australian secondary school students' use of over-the-counter and illicit substances in 2002 by the Centre for Behavioural Research in Cancer at The Cancer Council Victoria for the Australian Government Department of Health and Ageing 2004.
This Monograph describes the results of the third national survey on the use of over-the-counter and illicit substances by Australian secondary school students. The survey was conducted in 2002 in each State and Territory. This report is based on data collected from 23,417 male and female students aged 12-17 years surveyed in 363 schools.
This report is in very detailed into every age.
Your secondary school kid has a chance of 2% to use cocaine.
Table 2: Analgesics: Percentage of students according to recency of analgesics use by aged 12-17 years
Period.....,,,Never...Ever...Year...Month...Week
in %.............. 5.........95......92.......70........41
Regularity of use: Of the students who had used analgesics in the past year, 54% of females and 44% of males had used analgesics 10 or more times in the previous year. Only 16% of males and 11% of females had used analgesics once or twice in this time period and this was inversely related to age, decreasing from 18% among males and females aged 12 to 13% of males aged 15 and 7% of females aged 15–16.
Among male students who had used analgesics in the past week, 73% of males had used them only once or twice, while 18% had used them 3–5 times in the previous week. Among females who had used analgesics in the past week, 69% had used them once or twice and 21% had used them 3–5 times.
2.COCAINE
Table 16: Cocaine: Percentage of students aged 12–17 according
to recency of cocaine use by age and gender
Period... Never.......Ever..... Year..... Month..... Week
Total (%).. 96.9..... 3.1.......2.2....... 1.3.......... 0.8
Male (%) ...96.3.....3.7...... 2.8 ........1.7........ 1.2
Female(%)97.5.. ....2.5 .....1.7..........0.9..........0.5
The situation of not so serious drugs also very bad.Table 8: Inhalants: Percentage of students according to recency of inhalant use by age
There are much more other drugs.
Period.......Never.... Ever.... Year.... Month... Week
in %...........79.5....... 20.5 ....14.9 .....9.3.......5.8
Sg Parents,is it the time u do some home works before u want
send your kids to Down Under??
I would rather send my kid to poly in Sg rather than U in Aussie.
Die Die must not go lah.
Want to know more,The National Drug Strategy can help u -
Among the friends and relatives, those who went down under to study are those who couldn't make it into the singapore higher institutes of learning, then there are those who have relatives already there (they will most likely migrate there after their studies), then come those who are good but cannot get to study the courses they want in singapore, too expensive to go to the states, too far to go to the UK.
Those who can study in local U will save their money and go down under for holidays.
When you go to australia, or send your children there, you have to realise it is a diff society altogether. Singaporean generally do well but many Indonesian chinese ended up spending lots of money, got into trouble and went back indonesia with or w/o the papers, but they don't need that to run their parents business anyway. -
The alarming facts : Australian secondary studentsÂ’ use of over-the-counter
and illicit substances in 2002.Report prepared for:
Drug Strategy Branch
Australian Government Department
of Health and Ageing
Report prepared by: March 2004.Centre for Behavioural Research in Cancer
Cancer Control Research Institute
The Cancer Council Victoria.Table 16----Ages 12--17
Frequency in % of abuses
Substances.. Never.. Ever...Year....Month...Week
analgesics....4.9.......95.1....92.0.....69.7.....40.6
Tranquillisers83.8.... 16.2.... 9.4..... 4.1....... 2.4
Cannabis......75.0..... 25.0... 20.7... 11.4..... 6.6
Inhalants......79.5..... 20.5 ...14.9 ...9.3........ 5.8
Hallucinogens95.6..... 4.4 ....3.1....... 1.6....... 1.0
Amphetamines93.4..... 6.6....5.0...... 2.6........1.5
Cocaine.......96.9......3.1 ...2.2..... 1.3.........0.8Only 3% of all students had ever used cocaine and the proportions across age groups ranged from 2% to 4%. Three-quarters of the students who had ever used cocaine reported using this substance in the past year. Around 1% of students had used cocaine in the month and week preceding the survey. Examining each age group, use in the past month was between 1% and 2%.
Ok .Your kids get 3% chance to puff cocaine in Secondary school---
in Aussie.
pl read my amened opening post for more info. -
Today ST has those Aussie press forums... Many are worried abt their children
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
We can't say for sure. Firstly, Australia has a bigger population than us. When the number of addicts per population is converted to percentage, their percentage may be smaller than us.
[b]It is much better in Spore,thanks to the mandatory death penalty
2.u can said this may be the tip of iceberg.Well u may be right.
But how about millions in Aussie as quoted above by Aussie media and
official report.
3.Even with such harsh law,fr time to time u can learn fr media
drugs were found in Spore.I wonder what would happen
if we send a warn singal to local and foreign drugs traffickers.
Dunt allow lenient punishment for drugs found which is
for foerign destination .We would have more agruments in court.
Desides,it is Spore
international oligations to address drugs problems.[/b]
For example, we have 2700 drug addicts. Converted to percentage will be 0.0675%.
Australia has 4700 drug addicts. Converted to percentage will be 0.0235%.
On the surface, Australia seems to have more drug addicts than us. However, if we are to do total number of drug addicts/population * 100%, we will see that our rates are higher than Australia.
Secondly, harsh sentence does not deter drug addicts. We already say that they are addicts, meaning they need the drugs. Besides, the more drugs a trafficker trafficks, the more money he can get. It is lucrative. It may send a warning, but it only cures the symptoms, not the illness. -
2.How did u get the figures of 4700?Pl read the opening thread and postings in this thread:Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Australia has 4700 drug addicts. Converted to percentage will be 0.0235%.
Secondly, harsh sentence does not deter drug addicts. We already say that they are addicts, meaning they need the drugs. Besides, the more drugs a trafficker trafficks, the more money he can get. It is lucrative. It may send a warning, but it only cures the symptoms, not the illness.
------quote:ALMOST half of all Australians aged under 25 have used illicit drugs and view their use as acceptable.
Although possession or use of most illicit drugs could result in a jail sentence, research shows more than six million people of all ages were undeterred.
Almost half of them took illicit drugs other than marijuana and 2.5 million in total had used illicit drugs of some kind in the past year.
------Over 90% of Australian secondary school students' have used over-the-counter and illicit substances in 2002.Do u think it will
be better or worse now?
3.U says the Aussie drugs problems is better than Sg?
Are u kidding?All my info from their own findings.
Harsh penalty is not a good way,but the best way.Any better way?
Give any successful story?Tell us here.
In other countries,many people-----drugs dealers,police,politicians,
lawyers----all have a cut in this biz.
It is a dream u expect them to deal with the problem seriously.
4.Never mind Aussie.Look after our back yard----protect
our kids.Do not follow Aussie foot step---
1 heroin addict in a class of 40 secondary students,on average. -
Australia has one of the highest rates of illegal substance abuse in the
STimes 03.12.2005
world, according to University of Queensland alcohol and drug research and
education centre director Jake Najman.
He said that despite the publicity given to recent arrests of Australians
overseas, those cases accounted for a 'minuscule' percentage of the people
involved in the drug chain.
A National Drug Strategy report not only found that huge numbers of
Australians used drugs, but also that it was easy to get them despite police
efforts.
2.
Of these (under covered )operations 83 per cent targeted criminal activities associated with the supply, possession, cultivation or manufacture of prohibited drugs. -
let the aussies decide their own fate. nothing to do with us anyway.
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This Aussie association aims to reform drug laws and give drug users a say when new laws are being drafted and supported financially by the NSW Health Department.
Use of amphetamines grew ten fold between 1996 and 2002What a country?I cant believe!
Why I spent time on Aussie drugs problems?Many Sg kids are already there and many are on the way going there to study or migration.Have u seen there are many migration consultants around,putting up so many adv?
I want Sg parents get some info and decide.
1.
NSW encourage using drugs illicitly?
If not whythe NSW Health Department provided $1,076,000 last financial year. Who was the minister responsible? Morris Iemma. Now the Premier.
2.Look at ''Advancing the rights, health and dignity of people who use drugs illicitly, especially those who inject drugs''They say:
The tone which permeates everything the association says on its site is that shooting heroin is cool.Our emphasis is always on promoting and defending the health, dignity, wellbeing and rights of injecting and other illicit drug users.
They also teach you how to use drugs safely.They say:
NUAA strives to work closely with both government and non-government organisations to reform drug laws and give drug users a say when new laws are being drafted.Our policies, submissions and media releases tackle issues from the use of drug sniffer dogs to changes to Federal laws that make it lawful to discriminate against drug use
2.With so many drugs users in Aussie,whether hard or soft drugs,A Drug addicted MP is not long before he/she sit in parliment.
Funded primarily by the NSW Health Department, NUAA provides education, practical support, information and advocacy to users of illicit drugs, their friends, and allies.
As a user group weÂ’ve tried to utilize all the expertise out there, starting with drug users and other user groups, as well as researchers and clinicians.
3.
The outbreak(latest wave of amphetamines, known to users as "crystal" or "ice") has created serious problems for hospital emergency rooms as well as doctors, who are often faced with young people who become aggressive, agitated or psychotic after overuse, or depressed during withdrawal.In Australia, national data indicate the supply and use of amphetamines grew ten fold between 1996 and 2002
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The most problematic problem among Australian children is alcohol abuse. A drug forced down the throat of many Australians in the past on duty free shopping trips to Singapore. Don't preach when in a money grab you have had legallised pushing youselves. A pusher is a pusher, not matter if it is legal or not. A drug that has just about destroyed aboriginal race. Singapore has pushed it. Free drinks all round to to try and extract dollars from tourists.
Heroin in Australia, a drug a young man was murderded for having in Singapore, is believed by many to be the result of giving refugees from Asia a home here. Many argue that before Asian immigration here heroin was unheard of. This is actually supported by fact. Chinese crime syndicates and Vietnamese gangs have always over represented in the crime of drug smuggling into Australia.
Those who call Singapore barbaric in this case do not refer to the people otherwise they would not mind that a young Vietnamese man was being executed. They refer to the government. By all accounts, the information for Singaporean people to make an informed decision of their own is denied them.
The people who call Singapore barbaric for this murder are in shock because in general they respected Singapore. A tiny nation that seems to have punched way above it's weight. They may have heard that Singapore had the death penalty but we never heard too much about it so it not mar our respect for that nation.
Indonesia and Malaysia we expected this but now we are learning that both those country's application of the death penalty is in fact far more humane with fairer trials, assessment periods and subject to degrees of guilt rather than the mandatory death penalty so harshly and without discretion applied in Singapore. I guess we thought Singapore was a cut above but now see it may just have been a clever marketing campaign to go down in history along with "Singapore Girls".
Drugs are a problem everywhere. You can get more information about the problem here in Australia purely because that information is available. We are transparent. We do not hide facts.
Just remember please, that the ones that spoke out against the death penalty probably had a great respect for Singapore. They felt a greater connection than there actually is it seems. They probably thought you were the same as us.
The ones that approved felt no respect for Asia in general because they see it as the guilty party as a whole for drug importation into Australia, they think Asia it up to it's knees in drugs and really do not care if you kill one another if it means Asia stop bringing it here. Like the US has South America we have asia.
So please don't use this brainwashed nonsense about how we are up to our knees in drugs unless you understand that the same Australians that supported the death penalty think it is ok because you are up to your knees in drugs.
And the more you kill each other over it the better off we will be.
I really grieve over this young mans death. No-one really had the moral authority to kill him. -
What people's children become or get into, is just a matter of how well disciplined and parented they are.
period... -
A well-written piece from Down Under that does not degenerate into jingoism.Well, some of us can understand and see beyond the media spin, however, to the man in the street, be it Australian or Singaporean, they only see it as verbal fisticuffs and name-calling, which to them, is pretty insulting.Originally posted by Babs:The most problematic problem among Australian children is alcohol abuse. A drug forced down the throat of many Australians in the past on duty free shopping trips to Singapore. Don't preach when in a money grab you have had legallised pushing youselves. A pusher is a pusher, not matter if it is legal or not. A drug that has just about destroyed aboriginal race. Singapore has pushed it. Free drinks all round to to try and extract dollars from tourists.
Heroin in Australia, a drug a young man was murderded for having in Singapore, is believed by many to be the result of giving refugees from Asia a home here. Many argue that before Asian immigration here heroin was unheard of. This is actually supported by fact. Chinese crime syndicates and Vietnamese gangs have always over represented in the crime of drug smuggling into Australia.
Those who call Singapore barbaric in this case do not refer to the people otherwise they would not mind that a young Vietnamese man was being executed. They refer to the government. By all accounts, the information for Singaporean people to make an informed decision of their own is denied them.
The people who call Singapore barbaric for this murder are in shock because in general they respected Singapore. A tiny nation that seems to have punched way above it's weight. They may have heard that Singapore had the death penalty but we never heard too much about it so it not mar our respect for that nation.
Indonesia and Malaysia we expected this but now we are learning that both those country's application of the death penalty is in fact far more humane with fairer trials, assessment periods and subject to degrees of guilt rather than the mandatory death penalty so harshly and without discretion applied in Singapore. I guess we thought Singapore was a cut above but now see it may just have been a clever marketing campaign to go down in history along with "Singapore Girls".
Drugs are a problem everywhere. You can get more information about the problem here in Australia purely because that information is available. We are transparent. We do not hide facts.
Just remember please, that the ones that spoke out against the death penalty probably had a great respect for Singapore. They felt a greater connection than there actually is it seems. They probably thought you were the same as us.
The ones that approved felt no respect for Asia in general because they see it as the guilty party as a whole for drug importation into Australia, they think Asia it up to it's knees in drugs and really do not care if you kill one another if it means Asia stop bringing it here. Like the US has South America we have asia.
So please don't use this brainwashed nonsense about how we are up to our knees in drugs unless you understand that the same Australians that supported the death penalty think it is ok because you are up to your knees in drugs.
And the more you kill each other over it the better off we will be.
I really grieve over this young mans death. No-one really had the moral authority to kill him. -
alcoholism does not kill, and alcohol is legal. Not all drugs kill, bringing along 100 kg of panadol does not make you a trafficker, but highly addictive drugs that kill are illegal, more than 15 gm means death. If you can't tell the diff, no more discussion needed. Stay downunder.Originally posted by Babs:The most problematic problem among Australian children is alcohol abuse. A drug forced down the throat of many Australians in the past on duty free shopping trips to Singapore. Don't preach when in a money grab you have had legallised pushing youselves. A pusher is a pusher, not matter if it is legal or not. A drug that has just about destroyed aboriginal race. Singapore has pushed it. Free drinks all round to to try and extract dollars from tourists.
the young man was not "murdered", he was executed after two years of fair trial, with full knowledge of everybody. He deserved it because he broke THE law. With or without facts, blame the problem on asian immigrants as you like, but to singaporean, we do not look the race, vietnamese or white oz, he is an australian. We cannot join you in passing racist remarks.Originally posted by Babs:Heroin in Australia, a drug a young man was murderded for having in Singapore, is believed by many to be the result of giving refugees from Asia a home here. Many argue that before Asian immigration here heroin was unheard of. This is actually supported by fact. Chinese crime syndicates and Vietnamese gangs have always over represented in the crime of drug smuggling into Australia.
you can call singaporean barbaric as most singaporeans approve the death penalty, for drug traffickers. We are fully aware of what's happen to Nguyen and we are well informed.Originally posted by Babs:Those who call Singapore barbaric in this case do not refer to the people otherwise they would not mind that a young Vietnamese man was being executed. They refer to the government. By all accounts, the information for Singaporean people to make an informed decision of their own is denied them.
We are known as a little red dot, and its about time you recognise that not everybody think the way you do. We don't blame you, you are not asian.Originally posted by Babs:The people who call Singapore barbaric for this murder are in shock because in general they respected Singapore. A tiny nation that seems to have punched way above it's weight. They may have heard that Singapore had the death penalty but we never heard too much about it so it not mar our respect for that nation.
I sure hope that the suspects involved in the bali bombing, killing 88 australians, will receive fairer trials and more humane treatment.Originally posted by Babs:Indonesia and Malaysia we expected this but now we are learning that both those country's application of the death penalty is in fact far more humane with fairer trials, assessment periods and subject to degrees of guilt rather than the mandatory death penalty so harshly and without discretion applied in Singapore. I guess we thought Singapore was a cut above but now see it may just have been a clever marketing campaign to go down in history along with "Singapore Girls".
We are fully aware of the problem too, the difference is that we are taking actions to reduce it, death penalty is the ultimate deterence. What are you Ozs doing about it? have compassion on the traffickers??Originally posted by Babs:Drugs are a problem everywhere. You can get more information about the problem here in Australia purely because that information is available. We are transparent. We do not hide facts.
Its about time you realise that we are not the same. When the australian j_lu86 wrote in, we saw how singaporeans, retentionists, abolitionists or whatever, were quick to dissociate from him. We are not the same. We don't want drugs here.Originally posted by Babs:Just remember please, that the ones that spoke out against the death penalty probably had a great respect for Singapore. They felt a greater connection than there actually is it seems. They probably thought you were the same as us.
We don't take a brush and generalize, we are clear who are the guilty parties. bear in mind, it was an australia who was carrying the drugs, not any other nationalities.Originally posted by Babs:The ones that approved felt no respect for Asia in general because they see it as the guilty party as a whole for drug importation into Australia, they think Asia it up to it's knees in drugs and really do not care if you kill one another if it means Asia stop bringing it here. Like the US has South America we have asia.
brainwashed? believe it or not, if another australian get caught again in singapore, he will be hanged, let it be in yr brain if it has not been damaged by drugs.Originally posted by Babs:So please don't use this brainwashed nonsense about how we are up to our knees in drugs unless you understand that the same Australians that supported the death penalty think it is ok because you are up to your knees in drugs.
that is a racist remarks.Originally posted by Babs:And the more you kill each other over it the better off we will be.
I thought it is better off for you that he was killed? crocodile tears?Originally posted by Babs:I really grieve over this young mans death. No-one really had the moral authority to kill him. -
sgdiehard
Read what I have written again. I did not approve the drug penalty. However I write about the views of those who did. Their attitude is exactly the same to the original thread authors, except who has the problem in their eyes is not Australia, it is Asia. Some Asians may see drug abuse as a problem in Australia but some Australians sees Asia as the pusher, the supplier and Australian asians as the bridge. For Singapore to have the death penalty underlines to them the problem in the region and it's association to it.
I do NOT agree in either case. Both depend on stereotypical images.
As I read in here a warning not to go to Australia or your children may become drug users, the same mentality in Australians who don't want Asians to come here because they may lead our children to being drug pushers.
Another reason why I detest the death penalty, it brings out the worst in a country and lets it rise to the surface for all to see. And I see that this happened in both countries. -
Well fark me, I've never realised how Singapore was the only source of alcohol for Aussie school kids!!! Why any Australian (or indeed any foreigner) would willingly consume our vaunted Tiger Piss is frankly beyond me, but I suppose we must accept this as the gospel truth, since you say so.Originally posted by Babs:The most problematic problem among Australian children is alcohol abuse. A drug forced down the throat of many Australians in the past on duty free shopping trips to Singapore.
Nor did I know that we force Aussie tourists to consume alcohol in Singapore!!! Judging by the quantites I've seen most Australians chug down, the revenues our country earns from alcohol must be spectacular!!! And here I was thinking that those guys were doing a good and proper job stoning themselves down at Boat Quay without our government's interference. Guess I was wrong. Could you provide more info on the compulsory drinking of Singaporean alcohol forced onto visiting Australians? Something called 'evidence' could greatly help in a process known as 'substantiation', which could help greatly improve the credibility of this statement. It could really really help!!! Thanks!!!
Wah lau!!! You mean that alcohol is illegal in Australia??? 80 This is a revelation!!!Originally posted by Babs:Don't preach when in a money grab you have had legallised pushing youselves. A pusher is a pusher, not matter if it is legal or not.
Hmmmm... it is sad indeed what has happened to the poor Abos. Too often while in Sydney I have seen groups of tipsy Aboriginal men wandering in the streets, engaging in loud and raunchy banter with passers-by and parked cars. Curiously enough, did you know that the Abos did not know about the delightful stuff until some two hundred years ago? :!Originally posted by Babs:A drug that has just about destroyed aboriginal race. Singapore has pushed it.
Surprise Surprise!!! Alcohol coincidentially showed up in Australia at the exact same time that Europeans settled the continent!!! I bet none of you knew this little fact, eh?
And you know you like it!!!Originally posted by Babs:Free drinks all round to to try and extract dollars from tourists.
What are you implying? That Asians brought drugs came to Australia? Nothing new there mate. Europeans brought alchohol, tobacco, small pox, and lots of other pleasant surprises. Now you have heroin and your society seems to have adapted quite well to it. Where's the fuss?? Live and let live mate, as you lot are fond of saying.Originally posted by Babs:Heroin in Australia, a drug a young man was murderded for having in Singapore, is believed by many to be the result of giving refugees from Asia a home here. Many argue that before Asian immigration here heroin was unheard of. This is actually supported by fact. Chinese crime syndicates and Vietnamese gangs have always over represented in the crime of drug smuggling into Australia.
Misinformed? Simi misinformed?Originally posted by Babs:Those who call Singapore barbaric in this case do not refer to the people otherwise they would not mind that a young Vietnamese man was being executed. They refer to the government. By all accounts, the information for Singaporean people to make an informed decision of their own is denied them.
http://www2.mha.gov.sg/mha/detailed.jsp?artid=1539&type=4&root=0&parent=0&cat=0&mode=arc
Read and weep!!!
If you'd ask me, I'd rather not have the respect of a nation which gives the same honours to its war heroes and convicted criminals.Originally posted by Babs:The people who call Singapore barbaric for this murder are in shock because in general they respected Singapore. A tiny nation that seems to have punched way above it's weight. They may have heard that Singapore had the death penalty but we never heard too much about it so it not mar our respect for that nation.
LLIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!!Originally posted by Babs:Indonesia and Malaysia we expected this but now we are learning that both those country's application of the death penalty is in fact far more humane with fairer trials, assessment periods and subject to degrees of guilt rather than the mandatory death penalty so harshly and without discretion applied in Singapore.
Guess you must have been sleeping while your press screamed about the corrupt Indonesian courts and the lack of due process for poor poor Schapelle Corby...
Seems that Aussieland by self-ordained anointment is the only place where you can get a fair trial, eh?
Oh yah... the Indons buckled under the pressure of a unending multitude of screeching Aussie media harpies... I don't blame them, I would have done anything to shut you people up.
Unfortunately for you, everybody in Singapore knows that our dear govt is DEAF.......
You twits actually bought it??? HAHAHAHAHAOriginally posted by Babs:I guess we thought Singapore was a cut above but now see it may just have been a clever marketing campaign to go down in history along with "Singapore Girls".
And we do?Originally posted by Babs:Drugs are a problem everywhere. You can get more information about the problem here in Australia purely because that information is available. We are transparent. We do not hide facts.
"ROUGE CHINESE PORT CITY"Originally posted by Babs:Just remember please, that the ones that spoke out against the death penalty probably had a great respect for Singapore. They felt a greater connection than there actually is it seems.
Thank heavens, we are not.Originally posted by Babs:They probably thought you were the same as us.
Well, then, where was the outcry from you Aussies over the thousands hanged in Asia for drug related offences? Curious how the death penalty becomes an issue in Australia when an Aussie gets it...Originally posted by Babs:The ones that approved felt no respect for Asia in general because they see it as the guilty party as a whole for drug importation into Australia, they think Asia it up to it's knees in drugs and really do not care if you kill one another if it means Asia stop bringing it here. Like the US has South America we have asia.
A tempting case for further study, don't you agree?
Last time I checked, the city where you could buy heroin off the street in broad daylight was MELBOURNE, not SINGAPORE.Originally posted by Babs:So please don't use this brainwashed nonsense about how we are up to our knees in drugs unless you understand that the same Australians that supported the death penalty think it is ok because you are up to your knees in drugs.
And thus, the truth intention is revealed...Originally posted by Babs:And the more you kill each other over it the better off we will be.
I'll stop here because even though a criminal, Nyugen has my respect. One of the few Aussies to have earned this distinction.Originally posted by Babs:I really grieve over this young mans death. No-one really had the moral authority to kill him.
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Babs,
I fully agree illegal drugs is a serious problem in Asia, especially South East Asia, your immediate neighbors. We are aware and have to resort to using death penalty as the ultimate deterrence. Mandatory is necessary so that nobody should attempt to bribe the judges or the police.
Australia is now very cosmopolitan with ppl from all over the world migrating there for a better life, they bring along with them the goods the bad and the ugly.
But when outsiders look at Australia, we do not differentiate the whites, the Asians or the African. Even among the Asians there are Chinese from china, HKÂ… Vietnamese, Korean and even Japanese, same like whites from eastern and southern Europe. Its diff for us to tell the diff. When we send our kids to Australia, we cannot tell them to mix around only with the Singaporean immigrants, the whites Â….. If drugs abuse is a problem in Australia, it is the Australian problem. Those who want to study there ought to be warned.
Our views on drugs abuses are very diff. Asians drugs abusers are usually schools dropouts, and no so well educated, but in Australia, drugs is an acceptable stress relief for even the well educated. DonÂ’t measure the problem using the same yardsticks.
Nobody likes death penalty, but if there is a strong medicine for a grave illness, we take it if we have to, even it does not show well about our countries. DP is by itself a tool, it wonÂ’t harm nobody by itself.
If we both agree that drug abuses, trafficking are problems, then we should be talking about how we can help each other in solving or reducing the problem, and respect our respective ways. have compassion on those addicted and punish the pushers, there should be no diff in the skin color or the nationalities.