Scholar system may become obsolete
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Can you teach a bull to dance?Nope.Originally posted by macjoe:Experts are saying IQ academically-made scholars made leaders make poor, not good leaders.
That's why stubbornness is always around. -
At least know how to read. Professional sportsman also need to sign contract. Don't know how to read people can con you.Originally posted by Salman:At least you realised your mistake of equating bureaucracy as anti democracy.
Please don't make such errors again.
As for studying, its not true that you cannot survive w/o studying. You can be a professional sportsman, an artist, a performer, a chef, bartender etc and still do well in a diverse economy. Ppl don't have to go thru O level and A level at all if they don't like to study. -
Because they are not the ones competing. And they believe planning is good. So when their whatever plan works, praises goes to them. If plan never works, blame the athletes. Never work hard enough, that so called internationally acclaimed coach is of no use (Singapore Sports School) and more.........Originally posted by charlize:Hanor, hanor.
You don't see sports ministers resigning or apologising when team Singapore does badly at say the SEA games or Asian games. It's the athletes fault that they lost or performed badly blah blah blah. But when the team does better than expected, the accolades and praises go to the ministers for their brilliant 2040 vision or support or what nots.
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Although there are CCAs, people joined for the sake of joining it and getting as much points as possible so as to get the scholarship. Not many people joined for the sake of interest. And that is another reason why CCAs are so limited in Singapore. Other countries got so much variety that you want to try out.Originally posted by redstone:Awarding scholarships based 100% purely on results....
Admitting students to schools based 100% on results....
Yet the sheer irony is that government had been "recognising, developing and promoting" young talent.
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This is on the whole correct, but it doesn't apply to LKY. LKY made it because he survived the war and has experienced the British rule.Originally posted by macjoe:Experts are saying IQ academically-made scholars made leaders make poor, not good leaders.
I think he succeeded in making Singapore a better place because of these two reasons, not because he is some scholar. His knowledge probably helped him in getting Singapore self-independence and guiding Singapore when we were out of Malaysia. -
But it applies to every other scholar?Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:This is on the whole correct, but it doesn't apply to LKY.
See the prob? -
Do you people think leaders are chosen based only on academic results?
Are you people Singaporeans? -
I have already replied there are CCAs.Originally posted by Salman:Do you people think leaders are chosen based only on academic results?
Are you people Singaporeans?
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LKY was successful as a leader because he had his baptism of fire and had undergone trials.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:This is on the whole correct, but it doesn't apply to LKY. LKY made it because he survived the war and has experienced the British rule.
I think he succeeded in making Singapore a better place because of these two reasons, not because he is some scholar. His knowledge probably helped him in getting Singapore self-independence and guiding Singapore when we were out of Malaysia.
Don't even compare our scholars to him.
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The sad thing is this:Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Although there are CCAs, people joined for the sake of joining it and getting as much points as possible so as to get the scholarship. Not many people joined for the sake of interest. And that is another reason why CCAs are so limited in Singapore. Other countries got so much variety that you want to try out.
For example, there is the photography CCA. Not many schools have this, but this is a common activity in other countries.
Candidate A:
A1, A1, A1, A1, D7. All his A1 results have other outside awards, prizes.
Candidate B:
C6, C6, C6, C6,C6. Nothing
Both apply into the same course. Requirement is C6.
By theory Candidate B would be accepted because all his subjects met entry requirements.
Whatever you have cannot compensate for 1 grade miss in entry requirement.
The only exception is English in some courses. -
What makes you think so? Did the govt say that or did Robert say so?Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:I have already replied there are CCAs.
But it gives the impression that academic results come first -
That's the point. Although criteria has been relaxed a little, English, Maths and Science still have to pass. Fail any of these forget about continuing education. The only place that accept you is ITE.Originally posted by redstone:The sad thing is this:
Candidate A:
A1, A1, A1, A1, D7. All his A1 results have other outside awards, prizes.
Candidate B:
C6, C6, C6, C6,C6. Nothing
Both apply into the same course. Requirement is C6.
By theory Candidate B would be accepted because all his subjects met entry requirements.
Whatever you have cannot compensate for 1 grade miss in entry requirement.
The only exception is English in some courses.
Although I don't like to say that ITE is second-class, they still accept students who did not meet entry requirements. I wonder what are the revamps for. -
Not Robert say so, neither did the government. I say it gives the impression. Every time Straits Times print the Scholar copy, government agencies always say the same thing to students applying for scholarship:Originally posted by Salman:What makes you think so? Did the govt say that or did Robert say so?
Good A Level results or Good Diploma.
CCA is a plus. It will be better if you hold some posts like the vice-president of your club.
The word "a plus" gives me the impression that results first, CCA second. -
We don't have many leaders who have gone through the same thing as LKY, but I believe they have the baptism of fire in them --> money.Originally posted by LazerLordz:LKY was successful as a leader because he had his baptism of fire and had undergone trials.
Don't even compare our scholars to him. -
I wonder why MOE didn't see this issue. This had been overlooked, while govt "recognised, promoted, developed" young talent somewhere else.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:That's the point. Although criteria has been relaxed a little, English, Maths and Science still have to pass. Fail any of these forget about continuing education. The only place that accept you is ITE.
Although I don't like to say that ITE is second-class, they still accept students who did not meet entry requirements. I wonder what are the revamps for.
Oh, the contradiction!!!
It's damn rigid. Nothing, absolutely nothing is recognised besides official exam results.
Even if you win some international Science competition, and you failed math, you'll still be rejected. -
Results before anything else.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:The word "a plus" gives me the impression that results first, CCA second.
Appeals are only considered if you have the results. -
Uniquely Singapore.Originally posted by redstone:I wonder why MOE didn't see this issue. This had been overlooked, while govt "recognised, promoted, developed" young talent somewhere else.
Oh, the contradiction!!!
It's damn rigid. Nothing, absolutely nothing is recognised besides official exam results.
Even if you win some international Science competition, and you failed math, you'll still be rejected. -
So some people cannot go NUS High. Because it is for people who do very well in both Maths and Science, not just Science or Maths.Originally posted by redstone:I wonder why MOE didn't see this issue. This had been overlooked, while govt "recognised, promoted, developed" young talent somewhere else.
Oh, the contradiction!!!
It's damn rigid. Nothing, absolutely nothing is recognised besides official exam results.
Even if you win some international Science competition, and you failed math, you'll still be rejected.
This is called recognizing talent. Build a school that caters to both but not one. -
Here, there's a Sec 3 RI student who got into Music course in NUS because he's 'talented'.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:So some people cannot go NUS High. Because it is for people who do very well in both Maths and Science, not just Science or Maths.
This is called recognizing talent. Build a school that caters to both but not one.
From PSLE qualification jump directly to degree.
If that can be done, why can't O level holders be admitted to poly/jc based to talent also?
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the gabrament "scholar system" is already obsolete.. actually, it was more than a decade ago..
it's typical of most managements... they WILL throw good money after bad, instead of scrapping the whole system..
they are all too myopic and cowardly to rock the boat..
that's the long and short of it.. -
Ya...Originally posted by the Bear:the gabrament "scholar system" is already obsolete.. actually, it was more than a decade ago..
it's typical of most managements... they WILL throw good money after bad, instead of scrapping the whole system..
they are all too myopic and cowardly to rock the boat..
that's the long and short of it..
So what if you get all distinctions?
What if you do not have the capability? -
Poly got. For example, students talented in IT will study IT and will continue this at poly. But hor, this is limited to certain schools and neighbourhood schools no chance of trying this out.Originally posted by redstone:Here, there's a Sec 3 RI student who got into Music course in NUS because he's 'talented'.
From PSLE qualification jump directly to degree.
If that can be done, why can't O level holders be admitted to poly/jc based to talent also?
Talent should compliment results.
I don't understand how Singapore can stress that humans are our only resource and come up with such an obsolete system. -
I would say the guts to try new things. There is still not enough changes in the education scene. And with this education system, I don't think we are prepared enough to step into this knowledge-based economy.Originally posted by redstone:Ya...
So what if you get all distinctions?
What if you do not have the capability? -
You won't want to know what happened to me...Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Poly got. For example, students talented in IT will study IT and will continue this at poly. But hor, this is limited to certain schools and neighbourhood schools no chance of trying this out.
I don't understand how Singapore can stress that humans are our only resource and come up with such an obsolete system.
Even if you have all the passion, strong interest, high grades, other awards/certs....
BUT you miss an entry requirement, everything is equal to zero. -
I am all for that instead of what we have nowOriginally posted by Salman:I don't support the govt for the sake of it. I just think a lot of criticisms are cheap.
Lotus 999 spinned the title of this article, thats why he does not want to show us the URL of the site.
Even if you make the cirriculum more hands on, there will still be schorlars. It will be a hands on schorlar scheme. So its back to square one.