Artist's protest feels the noose
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Absolutely irrelevent.Originally posted by Typhoon:It is also a country that collaborated with the Nazis during the war. Is that what you find so admirable? -
Study a little bit about art before, but really cannot agree with the school. An art piece about suicide? I would say no. But this art piece really says something, more than what words can say. No wonder people say a picture paints a thousand words.Originally posted by M©+square:Art has political messages, at times. More powerful then words. -
Ya. Though it's somewhat a 'insensitive' thing to do.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Study a little bit about art before, but really cannot agree with the school. An art piece about suicide? I would say no. But this art piece really says something, more than what words can say. No wonder people say a picture paints a thousand words.
The budding Artist is smart enough to take this opportunity to be known.
This is something which many Artist make use to strike their success.
Suicidal Art is not new.
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Then you agree that Slobodan Milosevic should have been left alone in peace?Originally posted by pat33:Slovenian Matija Milkovic Biloslav engaged in more than just art in Sg.
Foreigners who don't like our law should leave our country. Sg's politic and law, no matter how oppressive, are for Singaporean to settle. It is not for them to talk down to us on how to run our country, esp doing it so within our country.
And are you trying to say that we cannot protest in America against the war in Iraq?
Don't twist your words. -
I wonder what his artwork would look like in Bali.
Probably a bullseye board with a card number stuck in the centre or something. -
When will the people up there learn....
Building up an arts hub is not just about building the Esplanade. $600 million durians are nice, but allowing the arts scene to flourish also has to do with allowing artists the right to freedom of expression. It is a slap in the face for the arts world when you tell them what they can or can't do.
I may not want foreigners to tell my country what it should or should not do, but I still want to listen to what they have to say. -
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What is art? feels like its more of a protest.
if you live or visit a country, you have to obey its rules. its the people who live in it that makes up the society, he is aussie, if he comes to singapore, he has to obey by singapore's rules, we have to obey aussie rules when we go there too. -
Then what is Art to you?Originally posted by cavinkoh:What is art? feels like its more of a protest.
if you live or visit a country, you have to obey its rules. its the people who live in it that makes up the society, he is aussie, if he comes to singapore, he has to obey by singapore's rules, we have to obey aussie rules when we go there too. -
Not when the government will learn. They don't want to worsen the situation so the only way is to do what they can do --> censor.Originally posted by fudgester:When will the people up there learn....
Building up an arts hub is not just about building the Esplanade. $600 million durians are nice, but allowing the arts scene to flourish also has to do with allowing artists the right to freedom of expression. It is a slap in the face for the arts world when you tell them what they can or can't do.
I may not want foreigners to tell my country what it should or should not do, but I still want to listen to what they have to say. -
And is protest a sin?Originally posted by cavinkoh:What is art? feels like its more of a protest.
if you live or visit a country, you have to obey its rules. its the people who live in it that makes up the society, he is aussie, if he comes to singapore, he has to obey by singapore's rules, we have to obey aussie rules when we go there too. -
Seriously, how is the situation 'worsened' if that artist isn't censored?Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Not when the government will learn. They don't want to worsen the situation so the only way is to do what they can do --> censor.
Care to clarify your statement? -
Sad to say, Singapore is all about nice, grand buildings.Originally posted by fudgester:When will the people up there learn....
Building up an arts hub is not just about building the Esplanade. $600 million durians are nice, but allowing the arts scene to flourish also has to do with allowing artists the right to freedom of expression. It is a slap in the face for the arts world when you tell them what they can or can't do.
I may not want foreigners to tell my country what it should or should not do, but I still want to listen to what they have to say.
Beneath it all, is a country devoid of any soul. -
sadly, from this statement, is the cause of it all...
the gabrament can only build buildings..
it's the people who put the soul in them...
the people are sorely lacking... yet want to blame the gabrament...Originally posted by charlize:Sad to say, Singapore is all about nice, grand buildings.
Beneath it all, is a country devoid of any soul. -
Precisely.We have a right to express our agreement or displeasure as we see fit, but we should never muzzle anyone.Muzzling removes a way to let off steam peacefully.Originally posted by fudgester:When will the people up there learn....
Building up an arts hub is not just about building the Esplanade. $600 million durians are nice, but allowing the arts scene to flourish also has to do with allowing artists the right to freedom of expression. It is a slap in the face for the arts world when you tell them what they can or can't do.
I may not want foreigners to tell my country what it should or should not do, but I still want to listen to what they have to say.
But long-term vision is not something found really readily here. -
Not the artist is censored. The art piece is censored. I feel that his art piece carries strong feelings against the death penalty in Singapore and if this art piece is allowed to the outside world, and other people start to comment, and Singapore cannot manage.Originally posted by fudgester:Seriously, how is the situation 'worsened' if that artist isn't censored?
Care to clarify your statement? -
Dude, censoring the artist's work is the same as censoring the guy. Censoring the work is an order for him to shut up and say only the things we want to hear. So exactly what is your definition of censoring the guy? Gagging his mouth? So much for creativity.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Not the artist is censored. The art piece is censored. I feel that his art piece carries strong feelings against the death penalty in Singapore and if this art piece is allowed to the outside world, and other people start to comment, and Singapore cannot manage.
Yes, the art piece has strong feelings against the death penalty. Well, artists create their work to display their feelings. So he's against the death penalty and wants others to know his feelings. He's not imposing his opinions onto others, is he? If you don't like the piece, then don't see it. He's not forcing everyone to see it, right?
If anything, we're the ones imposing our opinions onto him by censoring him. As I've said before, I don't want foreigners to tell us how our country should be run, but I still want to listen to what they have to say.
Besides, do you seriously think the government can't manage a few 'comments' over a piece of art? -
Protest is fine, but hey this guy got it coming. he knew his actions were wrong and he was so bold to bring drugs into a country that he knew they will kill him if he does.
Sometimes you have to pick your fights. If its a singaporean wrongly accused of smuggling drugs because someone put the drugs in there. that's a better protest than this guy -
so much for an elite Civil Service eh.And what's with all that tax-funded scholarship?Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Not the artist is censored. The art piece is censored. I feel that his art piece carries strong feelings against the death penalty in Singapore and if this art piece is allowed to the outside world, and other people start to comment, and Singapore cannot manage.
Don't impose your own failing to handle things well on the population and use it as an excuse to clamp down unnecessarily.By banning, more attention will be paid.That is the first rule of the media game. -
You are right about that we are imposing our opinions onto him by censoring him, and I get the impression that Singapore Government wants to "improve" the situation by censoring his art piece/him.Originally posted by fudgester:Dude, censoring the artist's work is the same as censoring the guy. Censoring the work is an order for him to shut up and say only the things we want to hear. So exactly what is your definition of censoring the guy? Gagging his mouth? So much for creativity.
Yes, the art piece has strong feelings against the death penalty. Well, artists create their work to display their feelings. So he's against the death penalty and wants others to know his feelings. He's not imposing his opinions onto others, is he? If you don't like the piece, then don't see it. He's not forcing everyone to see it, right?
If anything, we're the ones imposing our opinions onto him by censoring him. As I've said before, I don't want foreigners to tell us how our country should be run, but I still want to listen to what they have to say.
Besides, do you seriously think the government can't manage a few 'comments' over a piece of art? -
Try telling that to the Australian; period. For one, I think the Australia handle the issue very badly, they should know that Singapore never back down on threats. Remember the SIA pilot union case, MM once said, SIA union executive board are for Singaporean only and "hands will be broken". We all know who have his broken.Originally posted by fudgester:When will the people up there learn....
I may not want foreigners to tell my country what it should or should not do, but I still want to listen to what they have to say.
Singapore is a small nation, we need a strong leader to do that. -
Art is an expression of one's thoughts. Good art is one that speaks a message that is true and knowledge of ones views, bad art is one that does not. if this piece was done before the sensationalisation of this story, it would have been a great piece of art, now its just a lame protest to grab attention and be hip. There is the difference. The piece just screams for attention to the school and the artist, but the piece of art does not speak for itself
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Can I ask: do you have the authority to decide what constitutes 'good' or 'bad' art?Originally posted by cavinkoh:Art is an expression of one's thoughts. Good art is one that speaks a message that is true and knowledge of ones views, bad art is one that does not. if this piece was done before the sensationalisation of this story, it would have been a great piece of art, now its just a lame protest to grab attention and be hip. There is the difference. The piece just screams for attention to the school and the artist, but the piece of art does not speak for itself
So if the artist is just expressing his thoughts that he hates the death penalty, that constitutes lameness and a desire to 'grab attention and be hip'?
Think about it.
By the way, if you want to know, I am in favour of the death penalty for serious crimes, and that includes drug trafficking. However, I am not in favour imposing my opinions on others and telling them what they should or should not do. The guy just wants to say something; let him have his say. If you think it's lame, attention-seeking and a poor attempt at being hip, then don't watch it. Simple as that. -
You see?Originally posted by cavinkoh:Protest is fine, but hey this guy got it coming. he knew his actions were wrong and he was so bold to bring drugs into a country that he knew they will kill him if he does.
Sometimes you have to pick your fights. If its a singaporean wrongly accused of smuggling drugs because someone put the drugs in there. that's a better protest than this guy
The media is indeed powerful.
The media uses word play to form sensation and emotions of audience through this word 'Protest'
But is it really a protest? Did the artist meant it that way? Was it the exact expression of the artist and his very own words to use his artwork to 'protest' against the recent case?
These are sensitive words which spurs the reaction of readers.
The artist might be misunderstood. Most likely. -
Wait, hold your horses.Originally posted by cavinkoh:Art is an expression of one's thoughts. Good art is one that speaks a message that is true and knowledge of ones views, bad art is one that does not. if this piece was done before the sensationalisation of this story, it would have been a great piece of art, now its just a lame protest to grab attention and be hip. There is the difference. The piece just screams for attention to the school and the artist, but the piece of art does not speak for itself
What facts do you base on to have said that the artist's work was a 'protest'
How are you sure it is a protest?
Have you interviewed the Artist himself?
Please do not use the media's word as a tool to drive your point.
Prove your point.
Too many times the media have twisted our minds.
:addition:::We cannot take media's words too literally.