CNA deleted my posts, now they banned me.
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I will treat this case of banning of my objective views by CNA on govrnment's meritocracy, high cost problems and anti-business policies as lack of sincerity in promoting an inclusive and freer society.
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My last post in CNA before I was banned was posted on 3.12.2005 at 9:47 pm. Please read it for yourself as given below:-Originally posted by dragg:why dont you post here the thread that resulted in getting you banned?
"QUOTE: The past policies are causing too many problems:-
(1) Meritocracy - over-produces academicians, breeds elitism and class divisions, hyping the government civil service wage costs, neglect of practical knowledge application and developing entrepreneurship.
(2) Pro-foreign investment and jobs policy - foreign companies are gradually proving to be our nemesis. They have been pulling out from our economy for quite some time now and are still doing so because of our high costs of doing business (not necessarily due to workers' wages, but overpaid higher echelons)
The above-stated policies are not likely to change for a while. Government is still pushing for foreign investments as the main pillar of our economy.
Sad to say, we do not have that much time to wait for another ten years to upgrade our economic structure to VALUE-ADDING TECHNOLOGY-ORIENTED MODEL LIKE THAT OF Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, Korea and Japan.
Yet the above-stated major problems are unlikely to be solved by the present ministers very soon. They have been trying to do so since the last two recessions with no news about implementing their VALUE-ADDING economic model. There is no news of consistent applications of knowledge and innovations at the workers' level.
What is for certain is that the ministers have totally neglected maximizing the returns on our available assets e.g. hundreds of thousands of middle-aged and older unemployed, new graduates who cannot find jobs for prolonged period of up to 6 months, and over-supply of scholars who are under-used.
My suggestion is to set up a NEW MINISTRY - Ministry of Internal Resources to create investments and jobs ...making use of all our unemployed available at lower costs than even FTs...making use of empty lands and factories which need not be charged at full rentals etc." UNQUOTE -
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/cna/forum/index.htmOriginally posted by BillyBong:The only reason they banned you is because you wrote something that may have infringed on their forum regs, meaning should the write-up have been deemed inflamatory and open for a lawsuit by some govt body, CNA would be dragged into it and lectured on how their moderators don't rein in such topics.
Bottomline: you probably touched a nerve.
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Robert, why dun you post your writings in as many forums as possible. Not a lot of people read the channelnewsasia forum any way.
You can post in popular forums like this one and hardwarezone. I am sure your post will be more read in these forums. -
I have posted at other forums which are objective and people-friendly like sgforums : http://www.findsingapore.net/forum. Sure I will try hardwarezone.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Robert, why dun you post your writings in as many forums as possible. Not a lot of people read the channelnewsasia forum any way.
You can post in popular forums like this one and hardwarezone. I am sure your post will be more read in these forums. -
Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
For a Regional channel, their responsibilities should be to the Asia Pacific audience.
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As I read you post, it is hardly objective but sweeping in nature and devoid of reality.Originally posted by robertteh:I will treat this case of banning of my objective views by CNA on govrnment's meritocracy, high cost problems and anti-business policies as lack of sincerity in promoting an inclusive and freer society.
I just don't understand why you are so jealous of the success of others who worked hard. -
Yet the above-stated major problems are unlikely to be solved by the present ministers very soon. They have been trying to do so since the last two recessions with no news about implementing their VALUE-ADDING economic model. There is no news of consistent applications of knowledge and innovations at the workers' level.
there's whats wrong!!! .. you shooting down people. Even if you do not think highly of them, these are respectable statesmen not some kopi kia you can holler out your orders to ok.
What is for certain is that the ministers have totally neglected maximizing the returns on our available assets e.g. hundreds of thousands of middle-aged and older unemployed, new graduates who cannot find jobs for prolonged period of up to 6 months, and over-supply of scholars who are under-used.
You want their attention you have to start becoming nicer in phrasing your words, you must first praise their efforts then only can you zero in on their faults. Thats how it's done, flip thu straits times forum and go study hows it's done before you make yourself into a joke. It's not carry balls or apple polishing but common courtesy, if you don't have courtesy nobody will listen to you.
You must remember you want their attention, they very busy people do not need to allocate time and resources from their busy schedule to listen to a graduated or graduating young punk accusing them of negligence and making sweeping statements telling them how incapable they are and how you think they should run the country when they have been doing it for decades providing employment and education opportunities for the masses including you robert long before anybody here even born. -
For 40 years this has been the way it is run, self-centred and self-confident about assumptions that the economy will do well based on the talents or abilities of the few men or elites. How is the economy going to take off without maximizing the opportunities of citizens and the masses to do well in practical skills and knowledge applications. It does seem that there is some recognition of the importance of knowledge applications about many strong posts to the FU since 2002.
There is a lot needed to be done to open up and empower the masses. How about the people sector of the economy? How about practical entrepreneurial development? How about innovations? -
i am listening.Originally posted by KumSioJui:if you don't have courtesy nobody will listen to you.
O let me repeat again...
Jobs creation and growth were really by default, due to the post WWII boom. Most of the countries ravaged by WWII grew! -
A artful PR person can easily make a few speeches to turn WWWII default growth due to people's post-war toils and sacrifices into his own success stories.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:i am listening.
O let me repeat again...
Jobs creation and growth were really by default, due to the post WWII boom. Most of the countries ravaged by WWII grew! -
wrong ace, job creation opp aft WWII are by default only if you have the means to grasp it. To do that your people need skills that requires some form of knowledge system to be in place, the country needs raw materials that requires money and sometimes in the form of foreign investments.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:i am listening.
O let me repeat again...
Jobs creation and growth were really by default, due to the post WWII boom. Most of the countries ravaged by WWII grew!
We were then part of british then part of malaya and then our status after independence we became backwater outpost and we started out with nothing. We were a bit fortunate, after WWII, there was the conflict in vietnam and korea which provided us some work but even then these opportunities require skills and investments, pray tell where did all these knowledge systems and investments come from? -
People like Cindy and Robert haven't a clue how Singapore got to where it is in the first place. They have nothing but air and trash in their heads like Chee Soon Juan. How can we trust them to tell us what is happening and what to do? Only fools will listen to them.
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Another clear example of how this ruling party running dog is trying to shift focus away from the failings of the PAPpy policies and is instead focusing on personal attacks on individuals.Originally posted by Salman:People like Cindy and Robert haven't a clue how Singapore got to where it is in the first place. They have nothing but air and trash in their heads like Chee Soon Juan. How can we trust them to tell us what is happening and what to do? Only fools will listen to them.
Mark my words, history has proven that all totalitarian regimes will fail in the end and the forces of democracy will eventually triumph against the Supreme Conster dictatorship. -
I am not a running dog like you. I am only telling the truth. I just can't stand liars out there spreading lies abt others and trying to fool Singaporeans.
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It is not in the nature of the beast to admit to being a running dog of the ruling party.Originally posted by Salman:I am not a running dog like you. I am only telling the truth. I just can't stand liars out there spreading lies abt others and trying to fool Singaporeans.
But it is in his nature to defend his masters policy at every turn, to spread vile lies about about honest and hardworking people like Robert and Cindy
Repent Salman. Realise the folly of your actions before it is too late -
I never worked for the govt. I think yu ppl are so divorced from reality that anyone that does not agree with your lies, you call a running dog. What a pathetic fella.
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The only lies here is the vile ones that you are spouting from your PAPpy endorsed mouth.
The promises of "More good years ahead" and "swiss standard of living" are just some of the lies propagated by your masters.
Why don't you mix more with your kind at the YPAP forum. Regaling each other with tales of the wonderful success of the policies and actions of your masters.
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Personal attacks.The hallmark of the less evolved.Originally posted by Salman:People like Cindy and Robert haven't a clue how Singapore got to where it is in the first place. They have nothing but air and trash in their heads like Chee Soon Juan. How can we trust them to tell us what is happening and what to do? Only fools will listen to them. -
Dude, don't feed the troll.Originally posted by meleagent:The only lies here is the vile ones that you are spouting from your PAPpy endorsed mouth.
The promises of "More good years ahead" and "swiss standard of living" are just some of the lies propagated by your masters.
Why don't you mix more with your kind at the YPAP forum. Regaling each other with tales of the wonderful success of the policies and actions of your masters.
Regards
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Double wrong ace.Originally posted by KumSioJui:wrong ace, job creation opp aft WWII are by default only if you have the means to grasp it. To do that your people need skills that requires some form of knowledge system to be in place, the country needs raw materials that requires money and sometimes in the form of foreign investments.
We were then part of british then part of malaya and then our status after independence we became backwater outpost and we started out with nothing. We were a bit fortunate, after WWII, there was the conflict in vietnam and korea which provided us some work but even then these opportunities require skills and investments, pray tell where did all these knowledge systems and investments come from?
In the past, it was not a knowledge-based economy. It was a plain labour economy. The world needed labour for manufacturing and construction to rebuild. It was not hard then to invite investors to come in as long as you were willing to give cheap land and labour (look at China now, are its leaders exceptionally bright or capable?).
Besides, singapore itself has a deep natural harbour which is a natural resource that is the merit of NO ONE. A deep harbour, located in a busy shipping lane = ships berthing by DEFAULT.
Cheap land + Cheap labour + natural deep harbour + good geographical location = good post war growth
Can you account any of the above growth-contributing factors to our beloved leaders? Basically, our beloved leaders would just need to be excellent administrators to enjoy the easy post-war default growth.
Luxembourg, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, etc were all salvaged by the war and like singapore had minimum natural resources and yet they are what they are today. Either on par with singapore or better (by GDP per capital standard). -
Would Singapore have grown so much w/o an efficient and corruption free business environment?
New Orleans is a very good example. It has a naturally great location to be a major port and regional HQ to serve the oil indutsry but no investors want to go there because it is very corrupt.
Port Klang has the same locational & natural advantages as well but they are no where compared to Singapore. -
That is only one factor.Originally posted by Salman:Would Singapore have grown so much w/o an efficient and corruption free business environment?
New Orleans is a very good example. It has a naturally great location to be a major port and regional HQ to serve the oil indutsry but no investors want to go there because it is very corrupt.
Port Klang has the same locational & natural advantages as well but they are no where compared to Singapore. -
Efficent? yeah thats why i said "Administrator"Originally posted by Salman:Would Singapore have grown so much w/o an efficient and corruption free business environment?
New Orleans is a very good example. It has a naturally great location to be a major port and regional HQ to serve the oil indutsry but no investors want to go there because it is very corrupt.
Port Klang has the same locational & natural advantages as well but they are no where compared to Singapore.
Corruption free after war till late 70s? Everywhere was corrupted.
No investors want to go to New Orlands?
HMMMMM... Very tough question... Wait!!!
How about the petroleum companies?
Next time, think before you write. Shooting yourself. But thanks for making me laugh. You are one joker dude!
I don't think ships which are heading to Australia from Japan would want to dock in Port Klang. By the way, KL (port Klang) isn't far off from singapore in development. You try to ask any KLness if he or she wants to migrate to singapore and he will think you are siao. The best they will want from singapore is a PR. -
Originally posted by Cindyfeh:
helo, can you name me one oil company, just ONE, that has their head office, or regional office in new orlean.
Efficent? yeah thats why i said "Administrator"
Corruption free after war till late 70s? Everywhere was corrupted.
No investors want to go to New Orlands?
HMMMMM... Very tough question... Wait!!!
[b]How about the petroleum companies?
Next time, think before you write. Shooting yourself. But thanks for making me laugh. You are one joker dude!
I don't think ships which are heading to Australia from Japan would want to dock in Port Klang. By the way, KL (port Klang) isn't far off from singapore in development. You try to ask any KLness if he or she wants to migrate to singapore and he will think you are siao. The best they will want from singapore is a PR.
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why would ships heading for Australia from Japan even want to dock in Singapore?
I don't know about what is 'KLness' and its relationship with KL(port klang) and what has it got to do with migration to singapore, but singapore is full of malaysians and even some of our ministers came here from malaysia.
This thread makes me laugh and your post is really a joke.