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sureee. blame the bisexuals then. and where did aids come from anyways? blame the people in africa who were into beastiality?Originally posted by Salman:The truth is, most of the hiv infected men and men who passed it to women git their HIVs in the firstplce thru homosexual sex. Thats one thing that was hidden by the liberals at the UN. Thats why the the HIV problem spread because the truth was hidden.
blaming homosexuality alone is rubbish. The truth is a lot of men got their AIDS from straight casual sex and in turn pass them on to other women they sleep with.
blame immorality yes. immorality and a casual attitude about sex. no matter gay or straight. gay or straight, if u stay faithful and u know both of u are clean, then u're not at risk
this reminds me of the early years when people also just blamed drug abusers for the spread of AIDS. If u got AIDS, u automatically must have been a drug abuser. Now if u have AIDS, that must mean u have had a homosexual experience. This sort of attitude where u find a visible factor and keep pointing a finger at it, while ignoring other factors which may be as big or even bigger than the "blamed" factor, will NOT help stop the spread of AIDS. Its silly, its not helpful, and in the end it makes u look foolish without achieving anything.
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Originally posted by HENG@:
Blame immorality and perversion. Not just in Afica but all over the world.
sureee. blame the bisexuals then. and where did aids come from anyways? blame the people in africa who were into beastiality?
I'm not placing blame only on homosexuals sir, just telling you the truth that the transmission rate is higher thru homosex. Hiding the truth kills more people, including gays. Do you want more gays dead? Do you hate gays? Are you a gay hater? If you really love gay people, you must not hide the truth about HIV!
blaming homosexuality alone is rubbish. The truth is a lot of men got their AIDS from straight casual sex and in turn pass them on to other women they sleep with.
Exactly! HIV kills more people than wars! When must we keep putting up with HIV and its spread?
blame immorality yes. immorality and a casual attitude about sex. no matter gay or straight. gay or straight, if u stay faithful and u know both of u are clean, then u're not at risk
Really? Never heard of such a thingy. you must have invented this up.
this reminds me of the early years when people also just blamed drug abusers for the spread of AIDS. If u got AIDS, u automatically must have been a drug abuser. .
You don't get AIDS only thru gay sex but gay sex has a higher transmission rate. That is the truth!
Now if u have AIDS, that must mean u have had a homosexual experience. This sort of attitude where u find a visible factor and keep pointing a finger at it, while ignoring other factors which may be as big or even bigger than the "blamed" factor, will NOT help stop the spread of AIDS. Its silly, its not helpful, and in the end it makes u look foolish without achieving anything.
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Ok. Perversion itself, does not spread AIDS. Neither does immorality alone does not spread AIDS. If u sleep around, but you religiously use a condom in the right way, you won't get AIDS.Originally posted by Salman:Blame immorality and perversion. Not just in Afica but all over the world.
Of course I am also curious to know if u even see homosexuality as a perversion?
whoooo what a smart way to twist my words. Transmission rate is NOT higher thru homosexuals. Its like saying if u are gay, u will get aids more easily, regardless of whether u practice safe sex, regardless of whether u are faithful and remain with a single life-partner. Heh. Maybe u would be more accurate in saying that gays more often practice unsafe casual sex, thats why they are at risk, but then many straight people do so too, just that there are a lot more declared straight than declared gay people, hence the ratio is higher for gay people, because all the gays who are undeclared are not taken into consideration for statistics. I should be the one asking u if u have anything against gays really. Like i said, applause to you for your ability to twist the words of others.Originally posted by Salman:I'm not placing blame only on homosexuals sir, just telling you the truth that the transmission rate is higher thru homosex. Hiding the truth kills more people, including gays. Do you want more gays dead? Do you hate gays? Are you a gay hater? If you really love gay people, you must not hide the truth about HIV!
right. we have to fight it with information and facts then. Just shouting that "gays are at risk" helsp nothing. it sounds like u think people should turn straight to avoid the risks of getting sex.Originally posted by Salman:Exactly! HIV kills more people than wars! When must we keep putting up with HIV and its spread?
U shouldn't even be shouting "immorality spreads AIDS" as well. Disinformation HELPS spread AIDS at worst, does not help combat the spread of AIDS at best.
U should be shouting "avoid unsafe sex" if u really want to combat the spread of sex.
wahahaha. then u must either be a very young boy, have a very short memory or just pretending to be ignorant to win your argument.Originally posted by Salman:Really? Never heard of such a thingy. you must have invented this up.
Back in the early 90s people commonly shared the view that the people most at risk were drug abusers. I sure as hell didn't have to make this up. Do u think I need so badly to win an argument that I need to invent facts? No dearie, I just need plain good old facts. Perhaps it would do u well to admit to facts and get in your head that saying i invent facts would not make u look any better, or me any worse.
WRONG!Originally posted by Salman:You don't get AIDS only thru gay sex but gay sex has a higher transmission rate. That is the truth!
If u have sex with an infected person, whether u are having gay or straight sex, if u aren't going to take precautions like wearing a condom, u're gonna get it, gay or not. There is no studies to say that anal sex has a higher percentage of spreading AIDS than vaginal intercourse. The fact is, indulge in either one without a condom, with an infected person, and u're marked. Ok? Lets make things clear here. UNSAFE SEX is what increases the chance of ANYBODY getting AIDS. Not homosexuality, not homosexual sex, not anal sex, not immorality, not any sort of perversion. It is UNSAFE SEX. -
Ok. Perversion itself, does not spread AIDS. Neither does immorality alone does not spread AIDS. If u sleep around, but you religiously use a condom in the right way, you won't get AIDS.
Perversion started AIDS among human beings.
I don't think condom is 100% safe, its a myth.
Of course homo is perversion. The as-shole is not meant for sex, thats why transmission rate is higher thru homosex because there is more bleeding.
Of course I am also curious to know if u even see homosexuality as a perversion?
Transmission is higher in homosex, its a fact. A hidden reality that liberals don't want you to know and caused more people to die from AIDS.
whoooo what a smart way to twist my words. Transmission rate is NOT higher thru homosexuals. Its like saying if u are gay, u will get aids more easily, regardless of whether u practice safe sex, regardless of whether u are faithful and remain with a single life-partner. Heh. Maybe u would be more accurate in saying that gays more often practice unsafe casual sex, thats why they are at risk, but then many straight people do so too, just that there are a lot more declared straight than declared gay people, hence the ratio is higher for gay people, because all the gays who are undeclared are not taken into consideration for statistics. I should be the one asking u if u have anything against gays really. Like i said, applause to you for your ability to twist the words of others.
there is no safe sex, its a myth. condom is not full proof.
U shouldn't even be shouting "immorality spreads AIDS" as well. Disinformation HELPS spread AIDS at worst, does not help combat the spread of AIDS at best.
U should be shouting "avoid unsafe sex" if u really want to combat the spread of sex.
proof please.
Back in the early 90s people commonly shared the view that the people most at risk were drug abusers. I sure as hell didn't have to make this up. Do u think I need so badly to win an argument that I need to invent facts? No dearie, I just need plain good old facts. Perhaps it would do u well to admit to facts and get in your head that saying i invent facts would not make u look any better, or me any worse. Laughing
But homosex higher transmission probability cos as-shole bleeds easier.
If u have sex with an infected person, whether u are having gay or straight sex, if u aren't going to take precautions like wearing a condom, u're gonna get it, gay or not. There is no studies to say that anal sex has a higher percentage of spreading AIDS than vaginal intercourse. The fact is, indulge in either one without a condom, with an infected person, and u're marked. Ok? Lets make things clear here. UNSAFE SEX is what increases the chance of ANYBODY getting AIDS. Not homosexuality, not homosexual sex, not anal sex, not immorality, not any sort of perversion. It is UNSAFE SEX. -
Condoms arent 100% safe if you dont use them properly, eg using latex condoms with oil based lubricant, condoms breaking/slipping off etc.
If you do use them properly, they can prevent the spread of HIV.
This seems reminiscent of a rumor that was going on that the virus could actually pass through the latex condoms in the catholic community.It is only a rumor,however.
Look here:http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1059068,00.html
and by the way,beastiality probably wasnt how HIV was transmitted.Its much more probable that it jumped species through the butchering and consumption of monkey meat
Heres some other theories:
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm
While HIV transmission in the US has a significant proportion due to MSM,injection drug use is still pretty large nonetheless.
Check here:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm
I do not agree that the transmission rates of HIV through anal sex are nessarily higher, why do so many gays have AIDS? It probably because in the first place,when HIV was yet to be discovered,it spread like wildfire in the gay community through unprocted sex.This led to more gays having HIV,which would obviously led to higher transmission rates if they had casual sex. I have no doubt that the same would be true if it had started in the heterosexual community, as regardless of orientation,there would be those who practise unproteced casual sex.
On another note,theres no such thing as "homosex",straights practise anal sex too.
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thanks for throwing all your point which i have refuted back at me. You clearly:Originally posted by Salman:But homosex higher transmission probability cos as-shole bleeds easier.
1) have no case.
Your considering being homosexual as a perversion alone shows u are not truely concerned for them. Rather u are hoping to scare them into "being straight" All your "facts" have thus far been pure rubbishOriginally posted by Salman:Of course homo is perversion.
2) nor do u have any idea how AIDS spreads by sexual contact.
AIDS spreads thru sexual contact from bodily fluids during sex, which enters thru membrane-like coverings on the skin of human genitals. Thus whether your arse bleeds or not during sex plays a very very minimal factor.Originally posted by Salman:The as-shole is not meant for sex, thats why transmission rate is higher thru homosex because there is more bleeding.
But homosex higher transmission probability cos as-shole bleeds easier.
3) U are also ignorant about how AIDS was believed to have begun.
AIDS was believed to have spread from monkeys to humans in Africa, due to the close proximity of the human dwellings to the monkeys' natural habitats. I don't see how that can be seen as a perversion. Unless YOU want to provide some credible proof, I don't see how u can be saying anything other than bullsh|t.Originally posted by Salman:Perversion started AIDS among human beings.
I would also like to ask u how u want me to show proof of a public view/opinion of the early 90s. This is a general opinion or belief of the public, its not an official policy, or anything like that, so there won't be any physical evidence of this. And since u seem to be the type who refuse to accept anything without solid proof, I shall do the same.
It is with great plesure that i throw this statement back in your face. Proof please. 1stly all condom makers claim 99.99% efficiency in preventing pregnancies and STDs, IF USED PROPERLY. We know very simply that 0.01% is nothing more than to cover their legal liabilities. Now please show me proof of any medical studies or research papers which proves that even with the proper use of condoms, there is a risk of transmission of STDs. No proof, no talk.Originally posted by Salman:I don't think condom is 100% safe, its a myth.
there is no safe sex, its a myth. condom is not full proof.
Show me CREDIBLE proof that the liberals in UN are covering up. If you can't, and I won't accept any sort of "proof" from biased "anti-homosexual" groups whose agendas are obviously clear, then you are just bullsh|tting. U might be surprised to hear that when u want to argue something, u better have a bit of logic in yr head to work with. Ignorance and trying to hoodwink better informed people is just showing how out of your depth u are.Originally posted by Salman:Transmission is higher in homosex, its a fact. A hidden reality that liberals don't want you to know and caused more people to die from AIDS. -
How can homosexuality not be perversion? How can having sex with animals not be perversion?
Ahh.. now I know you are gay. -
wrong, wrong and wrong.Originally posted by Salman:How can homosexuality not be perversion? How can having sex with animals not be perversion?
Ahh.. now I know you are gay.
1stly, homosexuality is not a perversion because it is all part of nature.
2ndly AIDS did not spread to humans because someone decided to have sex with animals. It more likely spread to humans after someone got bitten by an infected animal
3rdly, i am not gay thank you very much. I champion gay rights because i fight injustice and ignorance of bigots like u, but that doesn't mean i need to be gay. that assumption alone shows how narrow minded people like u are. anyone who champions for gay rights must be gay. well news for you, country bumpkin, lots of gay rights groups are run by straight people, lots of people who speak up against homophobia are straight and i know a straight girl who served as the president of her university's gay les bi trans society. U don't have to be gay to speak up against stupidity, ignorace and hatred. but u HAVE to be a moron to indulge in bigotry and discrimination.
finally, don't change the topic. im now asking YOU for proof. show any credible proof from neutral 3rd party medical or scientific organisations which show that "liberals in the UN are covering up the 'truth' ". go on, proof please.
trying to change tacks and rely on some lame arguments and assumptions just because i've cornered u with good logic and proper reasoning is just sad. -
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895267292/103-0194211-9764651?n=283155Originally posted by HENG@:wrong, wrong and wrong.
1stly, homosexuality is not a perversion because it is all part of nature.[/quote]
Of course homo sexuality is perversion! Nature made the pussy to be screwed and not the as-shole. Nature made man and woman for screwing each other. If man is supposed to screw man, nature wouldn't have made women and yo mama. You are a bloody pervert my dear friend!
How do you know?
2ndly AIDS did not spread to humans because someone decided to have sex with animals. It more likely spread to humans after someone got bitten by an infected animal
Since people don't get aids by kissing but by having sex, its more likely that humans got AIDs from apes thru sex as well.
Why would a pervert like you want to champion gay rights if you are not a gay? You must at least have gay thoughts or molested by teh same sex as a child or at least cross dress even if you are not a gay.
3rdly, i am not gay thank you very much. I champion gay rights because i fight injustice and ignorance of bigots like u, but that doesn't mean i need to be gay. that assumption alone shows how narrow minded people like u are. anyone who champions for gay rights must be gay. well news for you, country bumpkin, lots of gay rights groups are run by straight people, lots of people who speak up against homophobia are straight and i know a straight girl who served as the president of her university's gay les bi trans society. U don't have to be gay to speak up against stupidity, ignorace and hatred. but u HAVE to be a moron to indulge in bigotry and discrimination.
A man must be like a man and a woman must be like a woman! Faggots are simply weirdos and perverts and against nature!
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finally, don't change the topic. im now asking YOU for proof. show any credible proof from neutral 3rd party medical or scientific organisations which show that "liberals in the UN are covering up the 'truth' ". go on, proof please.
trying to change tacks and rely on some lame arguments and assumptions just because i've cornered u with good logic and proper reasoning is just sad.
Proof you say? You got a hwole book on this issue. -
u have some serious ignorance and issues i see.Originally posted by Salman:Why would a pervert like you want to champion gay rights if you are not a gay? You must at least have gay thoughts or molested by teh same sex as a child or at least cross dress even if you are not a gay.
A man must be like a man and a woman must be like a woman! Faggots are simply weirdos and perverts and against nature!
by denying nature and its creations, u are more of a pervert than anyone here. u have also just insulted very noble people like Lord Mountbatten, Florence Nightingale, Lawrence of Arabia and William Shakespeare, who are shining examples that being homosexual has nothing to do with what sort of person you are. Conversely, being straight doesn't mean u aren't a bigotted jerk.
by claiming people got AIDS from animal sex, it shows u're both ignorant and biased in your views.
by being totally heterosexist the way u are, and assuming that every straight person must be bigoted like you or forfeit the claim to be straight, u show that not only are you just totally worse than any KKK members in bigotry, u also have a lot of insecurity in your sexuality.
I said it once, i will say again:
one doesn't have to be gay to speak up against stupidity like yours, straight people can and DO speak up against horrible people like you who are only intent on spreading hate so the world conforms to YOUR narrow view of how it should be. If you are one of those idiots who think that no straight person would speak up for gays, you are WRONG. Maybe its time u OPENED your eyes and took a good look around you, beyond your tiny social circle and looked at the world. Whats the point of having eyes if u're going to be STUPID AND BLIND?
just for your info, psychologists have already established that people who are homophobic are largely so because they are insecure about actually bein straight. in other words, deep inside they think they might be gay. I've never seen anyone who is comfortable and secure being straight have any problems with gay people. to quote an example, Winston Churchill, who is undoubtedly straight and damned macho at that, once had a homosexual liasion with musical comedy star Ivor Novello. Indeed he is so secure in his own sexuality that he is able to experience it and decide that while it was quite an experience, it wasn't his cup of tea. He was never a homophobic. Thats how comfortable and secure in being straight he is.
its only the ones who are insecure and might be gay who have problems because they think they are being "led astray". so take a good long look at yourself salman. u are probably facing homosexual desires and struggles inside you aren't you? of course u will deny it here, as so many who are insecure about their sexuality will deny publicly. I must say I pity you. Your own insecurity has led to you having a unjustified hatred of homosexuals who have done nothing to you. -
only 1 book? and how many books are there out there which says otherwise?Originally posted by Salman:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895267292/103-0194211-9764651?n=283155
Proof you say? You got a hwole book on this issue. -
i checked it up.u only need to read the editorial reviews of the book to see how credible it is.Originally posted by Salman:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895267292/103-0194211-9764651?n=283155
Proof you say? You got a hwole book on this issue.
heres a quote from the link:"the author uses an insidiously homophobic, flippant style to heighten an "us verus them" attitude toward the crisis, claiming that the money spent on research and education is being siphoned from other more deserving diseases. Though Fumento throws a lot of statistics around, his argument is contradicted by the continuing spread of AIDS among heterosexuals. "Not a balanced approach.
Salman,
your opinions are clearly infulenced by your homophobia,you clearly despise homosexuals. All your posts concerning this issue are not objective.
whether you think homosexual acts are perversions or not is clearly you own opinion,however imbalanced in may be, it should have no premise in your arguement that "homosex has a higher chance of HIV transmission" -
its worse than that. salman automatically assumes anyone who doesn't see it his way, who support gay rights, must be gay themselves. the delicious irony is that, people like him have commonly been proven to be closet gays who are in denial.
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While its is possible that humans might have gotten HIV through sex with apes,it is highly negligible.
More probable theories would be the buthering or consumption or primate meat,or wound infection. It could even be the result of a botched poaching attempt. -
dear Mr Know-It-All Salman seems to be very sure its from sex with monkeys. Although he hasn't given any proof.Originally posted by ahpeh:While its is possible that humans might have gotten HIV through sex with apes,it is highly negligible.
More probable theories would be the buthering or consumption or primate meat,or wound infection. It could even be the result of a botched poaching attempt. -
http://www.moh.gov.sg/corp/publications/statistics/hiv.do
I'd advise everyone to take a look at the above b4 linking AIDS with gays..
Yes, it's true that people who practice anal sex has a higher chance to contract with HIV. However, everything must be seen in relativity. Using a condom (established brands like durex) will reduce the chances to almost zero. Use water-based lube during penetrations for a smoother entry.
btw, anal sex is not exclusive in gay circle. In brazil, more than 50% of heterosexual practices anal sex too.
Further, Africa is currently one of the worst hit area with HIV. However, they have the lowest reported "declaration" of gays. Why?
To be honest, I see the move as a positive one. To finally pour money in helping the gay comm with anti-AIDS efforts. Since earlier efforts are all targeted at the heteros. However, the comms should have been done much much better.