Someone please give me good reasons to hate Chee Soon Juan
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I have been to SDP website, hear his speech and i feel that he has meritable points on his comments and such. I don't really understand why singaporeans hate him so much. Even my father dislike him.
That being said, I am not a member of SDP atm and maybe not in the future and i will bet 1 mil dollars for anyone to challenge this claim. -
I was quite disappointed in him when he reacted very emotionally and defensively to a question I asked at a conference.
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mind sharing some info?
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i thought there are more than enough to go around?
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I feel that his a little bit flamboyant at times but considering the fact that singaporeans r so apathetic they can't even bother like the casino thingy, i feel that i need more than just that to change my opinion of him
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i don't hate him, just dislike him.
His greatest fault is his behaviour. He should learn to control his emotions and learn to keep his cool. Maybe he needs an image consultant.
But i also find him very suspicious. Forever travelling overseas to attend workshops and seminars as though he doesn't need to work. And does he have to pay for all those travelling and workshops? Don't think they are all free. If he is paying on his own, then he must be quite rich. And is he a rich man? i doubt so. -
He is funded by those who share his views, and in the same light, many aid groups are also overseas funded.Originally posted by pearlie27:i don't hate him, just dislike him.
His greatest fault is his behaviour. He should learn to control his emotions and learn to keep his cool. Maybe he needs an image consultant.
But i also find him very suspicious. Forever travelling overseas to attend workshops and seminars as though he doesn't need to work. And does he have to pay for all those travelling and workshops? Don't think they are all free. If he is paying on his own, then he must be quite rich. And is he a rich man? i doubt so.
Anyway, the push for a global civil society is a trend that cannot be reversed.Only important thing is how it is applied correctly to each society so that we can all benefit.Some factions see that as coming close to Singapore bashing and it's not helped by CSJ's many overkill actions and over-the-top emotional outbursts.
But the man has guts.He could have left, but he chose to stay.Not exactly rich too. -
show us ur 1 mil dollars 1st b4 u tokOriginally posted by depressed:I have been to SDP website, hear his speech and i feel that he has meritable points on his comments and such. I don't really understand why singaporeans hate him so much. Even my father dislike him.
That being said, I am not a member of SDP atm and maybe not in the future and i will bet 1 mil dollars for anyone to challenge this claim. -
It is important not to equate CSJ solely as the oppositon in S'pore. That seems to be what the outside media perceive him as.
To give credit where it is due, we do have creditable opposition figures. -
Like Chia TiLik?Originally posted by meleagent:To give credit where it is due, we do have creditable opposition figures.
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CSJ is a crooked figure with an axe to grind with the govt.
He has lost his objectivity and integrity in the process and has lost credibility among Singaporeans.
I too asked him questions and he was disapointingly shifty, just like some of the forumners here.
The govt is great but not be perfect and I don't ever expect them to be.
One thing is for sure, never elect a crook into office. Never!
Anyway, i wonder why the SDP got hijacked by him. Why would anyone in the right mind associate with this guy and hope to do anything in Singapore? -
Because ad nauseum, they still believe that they can contribute inthe way think it's best.After all, a marketplace of ideas is still the best.Originally posted by Salman:CSJ is a crooked figure with an axe to grind with the govt.
He has lost his objectivity and integrity in the process and has lost credibility among Singaporeans.
I too asked him questions and he was disapointingly shifty, just like some of the forumners here.
The govt is great but not be perfect and I don't ever expect them to be.
One thing is for sure, never elect a crook into office. Never!
Anyway, i wonder why the SDP got hijacked by him. Why would anyone in the right mind associate with this guy and hope to do anything in Singapore?
I may not like what you say, but I'll make sure you have the freedom to say it for all to judge. -
+1!Originally posted by LazerLordz:Because ad nauseum, they still believe that they can contribute inthe way think it's best.After all, a marketplace of ideas is still the best.
I may not like what you say, but I'll make sure you have the freedom to say it for all to judge.
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I find it weird. Two of you quoted bad reviews about how CSJ responded to your questions. Yet none of you said what were the questions abt and how did he respond. I am curious.
Mind sharing?
maybe I might go and email him some questions some time if i have something interesting to ask so that i can see are those allegations made by the two of you true or false. -
Unfortunately, its not just a marketplace of ideas if the guy gets elected. It would mean running of a constituency and meaningless debates in parliament.
What did I ask him? I aksed him about his funding and the blatant lies over the USD10 billion donation to Indonesia. He couldn't explain his behavior. -
Yes, it's not just a marketplace of ideas, but it's also not purely whatever you have stated.It is a collection of everything.Originally posted by Salman:Unfortunately, its not just a marketplace of ideas if the guy gets elected. It would mean running of a constituency and meaningless debates in parliament.
What did I ask him? I aksed him about his funding and the blatant lies over the USD10 billion donation to Indonesia. He couldn't explain his behavior. -
You guys try it. Ask him questions and see how he reacts and explain his behavior. See with your own eyes.
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funding? whats wrong with how he got his money? why should you even care how he got his money in the first place? do you questions a person's behaviour by asking how much he got? why don't you go to every single member of the opposition parties ask how they got their money? so what even if his bankrupt and his rumored to live in a shophouse? if he refuses to give names, its only right because this invades his privacy. What if the PAP members decided to take action against those who fund him the money? what if telling the names of the people that fund him would harm public relations if they consist of foreigners?
We should be more concerned where our own money goes in terms of CPF and such, which our government till now has refused to reveal. I doubt things will change tho.
As for the Indonesia loan..hmm it would be an overboard statement if he doesn't have proof to back up his claim. I should probably ask him abt it
Salman, I saw some of your posts including mine and most of your posts are completely biased and some even lacked merit. -
If memory serves me right, CSJ is ineligible to stand for the coming parlimentary election. So Salman, you don't have to worry about him running a constituency or having so-called meaningless debates in parliament.
As for his funding, the Political Donations Act will definitely apply on him and if there is any mispropriety on his part, MHA will be more than willing to sick their attacks dogs on him.
As for the supposed loan to Indonesia, well whos to say the loan did not take place.
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I'm gonna attend his rallies if he manage to hold any in the upcoming General Elections (in the streets without a permit). He's not charismatic as Lee Kuan Yew but I do not doubt his perserverence and guts. I wanna hear wad he has to say abt the govt this year..confirm mention abt the Australian kana hang and he'll lecture the audience on human rights issues. He wrote a book too. It's banned in S'pore right?
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All his books are in our National Library branches.Originally posted by markzz:I'm gonna attend his rallies if he manage to hold any in the upcoming General Elections (in the streets without a permit). He's not charismatic as Lee Kuan Yew but I do not doubt his perserverence and guts. I wanna hear wad he has to say abt the govt this year..confirm mention abt the Australian kana hang and he'll lecture the audience on human rights issues. He wrote a book too. It's banned in S'pore right?
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So who are his funders. Why is he mums about it?
As for his funding, the Political Donations Act will definitely apply on him and if there is any mispropriety on his part, MHA will be more than willing to sick their attacks dogs on him.
Where is the basis for the charge it took place? Please show us.
As for the supposed loan to Indonesia, well whos to say the loan did not take place. -
Well if he choses to keep mum about it what right do you have to keep probing? Let me guess your political masters have given you the right to make a citizens arrest now.Originally posted by Salman:So who are his funders. Why is he mums about it?
Well spoken. There is none. If there were, your political masters would have alot of explaining to do wouldn't itOriginally posted by Salman:Where is the basis for the charge it took place? Please show us. -
I was at a conference for some Rights movement (can't remember which one...) and CSJ was one of the guest speakers. When it was open to the floor to ask questions, I asked him if it was strategic for him, given his political standing and reputation, to be seen as spearheading an otherwise politically neutral issue raised on a politically neutral platform. He reacted rather violently and emotionally to that, saying if we don't want him there (at the conference) he can leave. Um... really, all I expected was a simple rationale and composed reply to what I thought was a fair question (albeit somewhat confrontational). That emotional and not so mature reaction didn't leave a good impression.
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Chee Soon Juan is a politician, very emotional, I don't really know what he wants to do for singapore and I don't think he can do much for Singapore.
You can like him, dislike him, support him don't support him, BUT you don't have to love him and
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AND NO NEED TO HATE HIM!!!