Any state burial for Ex-president Devan Nair?
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The meaning of contribution to Singapore will not be decided by the people. It is not defined by the dictionary but by the leaders' own dictionary. If leaders say someone is the people's president then he is.
No matter how dedicated Ong Teng Cheong has been to the president's office, he was not acknowledged for contributing to the people's cause or struggles. He has once gone against the leaders by trying to please people wish for upholding accountability over the people's assets and he recommended a way to help the people from the surpluses in recessions.
As usual then, it is decided that Nair did not do enough to help ward off the communists in his time and there will only be a private burial. There will be most likely state burial and no half mast. -
he will be buried in singapore meh?
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To me, all past Presidents should get a State burial and no negotiations over that.
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It is a matter of the heart where he is.Originally posted by FireIce:he will be buried in singapore meh? -
I doubt... after all, he was the President who was disgraced as a result of his alcoholism and unbecoming behaviour while in office.
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Point of view, point of view.Who told us that?Originally posted by cornyfish2000:I doubt... after all, he was the President who was disgraced as a result of his alcoholism and unbecoming behaviour while in office.
Don't let the media spin get to you.Nothing is truly black and white. -
I don't think he should be given a state burial given his behavior. Besides, he was appointed, not elected.
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double post
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How come the great beloved leaders at that while pushing for Devan to be President couldn't spot such an easy disgrace like alcoholism?Originally posted by cornyfish2000:I doubt... after all, he was the President who was disgraced as a result of his alcoholism and unbecoming behaviour while in office.
Why only after Devan tried to did his duty as a TRUE President then he "became" alcoholic and unruly?
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Saw this poem from another forum and wana share with you all.
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We now bid a fond farewell to Devan Nair
Patriot - dissident - and NTUC Messiah
His passion driven by an alcoholic fire
How dare he called Lee Kuan Yew a liar
"But I only had a couple.." he claimed
For pinching buttocks he has been blamed
From president to outcast he was shamed
His reputation became incurably maimed
Our only Prez who had been to jail
For patriotic acts that were later hailed
In the people's eyes he has now failed
Clouded by all the PAP gas they have inhaled
So he exiles himself to a foreign land
Where he then became a one-man band
Against the excesses of the Lee clan
At least out there he has a free hand
But his ramblings became to distant to be heard
And Singaporeans don't really give a flying turd
To some mamak who fled to avoid being martyrd
While Canadians treat him like some oriental nerd
Goodbye Devan Nair, you have done your time
You have misbehaved but you committed no crime
With your departure they heap praises sublime
In your trouble life, you were not worth a dime
But you are now among the fallen heroes of fate
The rebels, the fighters, and the people Lee hates
Up there with Chin Siong and Siew Choh at the Pearly Gates
Where Johnnie Walker flows freely for you and your mates.
Adieu flawed mamak...at least you are human !
And humans in time....die. -
He was asked to resign, if i'm not wrong... that's why his time as President was unusually short.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:How come the great beloved leaders at that time couldn't spot such an easy disgrace like alcoholism.
UYBD! -
yah, u got proof meh? who knows could be some internal political struggles that ousted him out from presidency.
No comments, just in case i get into trouble. -
The fact is, he was President, the very least is a State burial, no one said anything about full military honours.
Let's not argue too much.The man's passed on to a better place.
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Anyone watched the channel 8 news about Devan just now?
There was a 2 minute clip about him. Half of the time, the clip was saying Devan was a communist. After 15 seconds of chanting he was a communist, I was like DUh! Then after 1 minute I was like is there no other points about him other than he was a communist?
There was also so much excessive focus on another certain person till I was thinking... Whose passing away is it exactly?
The music that accompanies the clip wasn't exactly right. It was like those you will hear when you watch a WWII documentary on Japan bombing singapore.
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I will remember Mr. Devan Nair as a true unionist for what he did as a unionist.
He was appointed as President, but like all appointed president, he din do much. may be he did not have enough time, if he had cut short his presidency with his own uncontrolled drinking habits.
Was he or was he not alcoholic? did he or did he not misbehave in an official event? it is not necessary to dig up the old issue and wash dirty linen in the public.
did he ask for a state funeral? does his family ask for a state funeral? lets not take this as an opportunity to swipe at the government, it may be the late mr. nair and his family who get hurt.
Mr Nair's contribution to the nation, whether as a unionist or as a president, will be remembered by those who were around him, who worked with him, who learned from him, who benefitted from him. May he rest in peace. -
Media.Don't believe what you hear.Look at the vested interests.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Anyone watched the channel 8 news about Devan just now?
There was a 2 minute clip about him. Half of the time, the clip was saying Devan was a communist. After 15 seconds of chanting he was a communist, I was like DUh! Then after 1 minute I was like is there no other points about him other than he was a communist?
There was also so much excessive focus on another certain person till I was thinking... Whose passing away is it exactly?
The music that accompanies the clip wasn't exactly right. It was like those you will hear when you watch a WWII documentary on Japan bombing singapore.
I am disgusted that TCS treated the passing away of a TRUE President so lightly... -
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These anti govt puppies are taking teh death of a man, a sad event to twist it to attack the govt. There is nothing too low for these peope. Shame on them.
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State's recognition of president's service is a major government issue. Is it objectively decided by a panel or only by people who might have their own biases one way or another.
I personally would prefer a panel presiding over such decision so that the country is ruled with objectivity and good corporate governance. Let the contributions of Devan Nair be determined objectively by a new generation with the forward objective to build an inclusive and cosmopolitan society. The new leaders must be more objective and not be colored by self-centred prejudices or face. They should set new examples instead of entrenching in the past biases of men. -
there you go again Robert. So low of you.
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Pardon me, I thought there was half mast when he died? Or I remembered wrongly? In secondary school, I see about two half masts.Originally posted by robertteh:The meaning of contribution to Singapore will not be decided by the people. It is not defined by the dictionary but by the leaders' own dictionary. If leaders say someone is the people's president then he is.
No matter how dedicated Ong Teng Cheong has been to the president's office, he was not acknowledged for contributing to the people's cause or struggles. He has once gone against the leaders by trying to please people wish for upholding accountability over the people's assets and he recommended a way to help the people from the surpluses in recessions.
As usual then, it is decided that Nair did not do enough to help ward off the communists in his time and there will only be a private burial. There will be most likely state burial and no half mast. -
Don't feel that it is a twist. They are just voicing out their thinkings.Originally posted by Salman:These anti govt puppies are taking teh death of a man, a sad event to twist it to attack the govt. There is nothing too low for these peope. Shame on them. -
Even if there is a half mast, Robert Teh will say that is hypocrisy on the part of the govt because the media told us that Nair was a communist and that the students were not taught exactly who Devan Nair was and most don't care.
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As if they really care. My foot!Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Don't feel that it is a twist. They are just voicing out their thinkings. -
There was a thread mourning his passing.This thread's title states it's very much a discussion about hsi burial.Why can't you put together a coherent case on why they should not discuss his burial, instead of using labels again.Originally posted by Salman:Even if there is a half mast, Robert Teh will say that is hypocrisy on the part of the govt because the media told us that Nair was a communist and that the students were not taught exactly who Devan Nair was and most don't care.
Post office your lao peh's?