Melvyn Tan Should Not Be Punished
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I agree with you but from another perspective it is also about not having too many loopholes where Singaporeans can exploit it for their own benefit.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well, if they intend to migrate and give up citizenship, of course they won't come back what.
So isn't this the same as holding the kid hostage?By not letting him renounce his citizenship?If Melvyn Tan had been allowed to renounce his citizenship at anytime ,this hoo-ha would not have happened.If someone chooses to leave, who are we to stop him?
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there's no loophole.you renounce your citizenship, you don't owe us anything.Originally posted by pat33:I agree with you but from another perspective it is also about not having too many loopholes where Singaporean can exploit it for their own benefit.
simple and sweet. -
all rules have loopholes.
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i know someone who renounced his citizenship. He did it well before he was due to serve. He called and informed them and they said ok.
Then he went back to sg a few years later n got arrested. Lol. Apparently he need to inform in writing as well. So they fined him only because he never do proper paperwork. -
cos he's a pianist? BTW a 'deformed' right leg can escape from ns ornot?
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The loophole is simple- renounce your citizenship comes back freely to Singapore as foreign talent. Enough of Singaporeans do that and this country goes down the drain. That is the loophole, escape NS liability if you can.Originally posted by LazerLordz:there's no loophole.you renounce your citizenship, you don't owe us anything.
simple and sweet. -
define deformed.Originally posted by finoq:cos he's a pianist? BTW a 'deformed' right leg can escape from ns ornot?
deformed as in, "only 5 inches long" then ya, perhaps. deformed as in "I got a pimple on my leg" the no way jose. -
missing part of ankle boneOriginally posted by HENG@:define deformed.
deformed as in, "only 5 inches long" then ya, perhaps. deformed as in "I got a pimple on my leg" the no way jose. -
hmmm. that sounds serious enuf to me. I guess u need to see what your doctors say.Originally posted by finoq:missing part of ankle bone -
People are just wondering why is there this double standard. -
simple! becos of who's in charge. When they allow whitehorses to get away with manslaughter, of course there will be double standard.Originally posted by Parka: People are just wondering why is there this double standard. -
is there such a case?Originally posted by HENG@:simple! becos of who's in charge. When they allow whitehorses to get away with manslaughter, of course there will be double standard.
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This Foreign Talent policy was instituted by the government.Originally posted by pat33:The loophole is simple- renounce your citizenship comes back freely to Singapore as foreign talent. Enough of Singaporeans do that and this country goes down the drain. That is the loophole, escape NS liability if you can.
Go figure.Never blame the people for the policies of the state if they never had a real say in them.This continual existence of this law just shows our insecurity and inability to retain talent and citizens by choice.Why do you want people who do not want to live nor serve you?
Look, if it comes to a point where we have more emigrants than people staying put, then something is wrong don't you think?And at least we can correct the state of affairs than artificially making people stay put because of subtle threat to personal freedom?
I do not believe that you can benefit from making people stay.This kind of law does not have a place in civil society.Why should the rights of the citizens and minors be infringed upon by the consequences of a policy that is already flawed and has shown to many as one that favors foreigners over citizens unfairly?You cannot blame them for wanting to come back as FTs, and even so, just think about it, those that hate living here, would leave and not really want to come back.
So where's the huge exploitation?Surely you would see many post-NS citizens doing so if it were that easy for the man-in-the-street to do so, and have a critical impact?
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Y E SOriginally posted by dragg:is there such a case? -
Please do not mistaken me for being a govt's spokeman. Iam not and I am with you guys on the foreign talent stuff. I am angry too. But as I said I was explaining things on why they doing thing in a particular way.Originally posted by LazerLordz:This Foreign Talent policy was instituted by the government. Go figure.Never blame the people for the policies of the state if they never had a real say in them.This continual existence of this law just shows our insecurity and inability to retain talent and citizens by choice.Why do you want people who do not want to live nor serve you?
Look, if it comes to a point where we have more emigrants than people staying put, then something is wrong don't you think?And at least we can correct the state of affairs than artificially making people stay put because of subtle threat to personal freedom?
I do not believe that you can benefit from making people stay.This kind of law does not have a place in civil society.Why should the rights of the citizens and minors be infringed upon by the consequences of a policy that is already flawed and has shown to many as one that favors foreigners over citizens unfairly?You cannot blame them for wanting to come back as FTs, and even so, just think about it, those that hate living here, would leave and not really want to come back.
So where's the huge exploitation?Surely you would see many post-NS citizens doing so if it were that easy for the man-in-the-street to do so, and have a critical impact? -
no offence taken.Originally posted by pat33:Please do not mistaken me for being a govt's spokeman. Iam not and I am with you guys on the foreign talent stuff. I am angry too. But as I said I was explaining things on why they doing thing in a particular way.
sorry if I was harsh etc...this issue of NS and migration happens to strike me pretty hard. -
oh laz. you weren't harsh. harsh is getting me properly started off on this, and how singaporeans are being petty, ungracious, ugly and vindicative. THAT is being harsh.Originally posted by LazerLordz:no offence taken. sorry if I was harsh etc...this issue of NS and migration happens to strike me pretty hard. -
No problem I understand...Originally posted by LazerLordz:no offence taken. sorry if I was harsh etc...this issue of NS and migration happens to strike me pretty hard.
NS stuff is very dear to many of us...... -
Originally posted by HENG@:oh laz. you weren't harsh. harsh is getting me properly started off on this, and how singaporeans are being petty, ungracious, ugly and vindicative. THAT is being harsh.
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i could go on and on. and be VERY nasty but truthful about it. I don't think many people realise HOW much i was restraining myself and being civil in the other threads previously.
i don't think they also realise how fairly shaking with rage i am now. -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:Might have gotten too carried away..sorry.
Well, right points you have there.
I think we should all move on too..
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I think we should reduce the voting age. It is not fair that the bulk of conscripts are not alowed to vote but are called up to bear arms.
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they will never let you vote before you do ns.
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you can vote w/o doing NS if you passed 18 years old.Originally posted by Ara:they will never let you vote before you do ns. -
21 years old, you mean.