Is Japan a thorn in Asia's development/corporation?
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we are not in the position to take sides. we are at the mercy of many parties.Originally posted by LazerLordz:yes that's we..
however our policymakers are hard at work looking at all sides
for a small country without resources survival is the main thing. -
acknowledged what?Originally posted by sgdiehard:thank you for your acknowledgement.
if you like to be self-righteous by all means carry on. -
ah but surely you can see that we do have an almost unspoken influence with certain parties, but we do not publicise it..Originally posted by dragg:we are not in the position to take sides. we are at the mercy of many parties.
for a small country without resources survival is the main thing.
it's the degree that's all.but it's still better for us to beef up and stay neutral. -
My feeling often goes left and right, got pissed off with china when their nationalism went wild during LHL's visit to Taiwan, but stood firmly on their side, and that of the Koreans whenever the japs visit the shrines and denied WW2 atrocities. I felt china should restrained themselves when they faced off the Phil in Spretly but I feel they are entitled to voice out loud in protecting their tourists visiting Malaysia. Put it this way, I am never on the side of the Japanese, with whoever they are disputing.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:It is very hard to find balance even if you want to. Even if you take a neutral stand, there is still some parts of you that will swayed towards one side. You may not feel so, but it is true.
I always think that I am taking a neutral stand for this WWII thingy, but I still find myself getting angry when the newspapers report.
Balancing is nvr easy, more so for chinese who know about modern chinese history but I am looking at a balance of power in Asia, involving china, korea, india, japan, russian and Asean. with a balance of power, no small country will be forced, and I hope we will never have to take side, for we will never win if we do.
We have stood firm against the US, the OZ, the Chinese, the Malaysia, the Indonesia, the Phil, who else?? I dont' believe we will ever be forced to take side, we choose which side to take. -
hehehe, won't engage in po4 fu4 ma4 jie1 with you.Originally posted by dragg:acknowledged what?
if you like to be self-righteous by all means carry on. -
never forget how china (the taiwan issue) and taiwan (the L-P issue) treated us. they boycotted our singers and insulted us as a country.
to think that they (china or taiwan) will accord us special treatment is wrong.
we have to depend on ourselves. -
i actually agree.Originally posted by sgdiehard:hehehe, won't engage in po4 fu4 ma4 jie1 with you.
lets forget about it.
we can keep our opinions to ourselves.
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dragg, one small wrong doesn't cancel the other major wrong,Originally posted by dragg:never forget how china (the taiwan issue) and taiwan (the L-P issue) treated us. they boycotted our singers and insulted us as a country.
to think that they (china or taiwan) will accord us special treatment is wrong.
we have to depend on ourselves.
as they are totally different issues.
yes, i am a singaporean.
I do not take side.
Im only looking at it at a humanity and political point of view.
Some say that the atomic bomb cancels japan wrong doings.
Does that really?
If there hadn't been the atomic bomb pressurising on japan,
do you think japan would have surrendered?
Did the US have a better choice then?
Fast forward to this day.
WWII veterans and victims still live on till this day.
I repeat, I do not take side.
Im only looking at it at a humanity and political point of view.
Have the Japan done enough like Germany on the official level?
Its not just China, there is Korea too.
On the political level, China and Korea are also our 'friends' too.
All the nations in Asia wants to move forward.
Japan, apart from the lack of compensation like Germany do,
its political leaders actions are still not too agreeable.
This thread is not meant to stir up hatred or sidings.
Its just a simple discussion on current politics. -
if you feel that the japanese are not wrong in doing what they're doing and as such stand on their side in this argument, then, you're not free of individual judgement and prejudices and when you're not completely neutral about the issue, you have no right to ask people to stop arguing about it. that would have been pretentious.Originally posted by dragg:that is exactly why i dont want people to argue over it.
if you dont have better things to say dont post anything. why do you have to ask me to shut up?
you go fark yourself!!
i'm not asking you to shut up, i'm asking you to walk your talk, if you want people to shut up, you do it first. -
learn to know the difference. all i merely suggested was that they read the past postings instead of arguing it all over again. i did not ask anyone to shut up.Originally posted by snow leopard:if you feel that the japanese are not wrong in doing what they're doing and as such stand on their side in this argument, then, you're not free of individual judgement and prejudices and when you're not completely neutral about the issue, you have no right to ask people to stop arguing about it. that would have been pretentious.
i'm not asking you to shut up, i'm asking you to walk your talk, if you want people to shut up, you do it first.
and please stop making assumptions. -
Do you think u have the right to ask people to shut up and fark off??Originally posted by dragg:learn to know the difference. all i merely suggested was that they read the past postings instead of arguing it all over again. i did not ask anyone to shut up.
and please stop making assumptions.
I feel you are only unable to handle your own thoughts,
not knowing what is right or wrong.
In the end, choose to forgive and forget.
And continue to adore the Japanese culture and products
and their 'superiority'.
This is common.
That is why the Japanese are mocking at useless chinese.
Talk only, no action.
In the end still need them and suck up to them.
Unlike Japanese, who can create and use their own creations,
and make others 'worship' their creations/culture.
If you look at Japanese political leaders,
(even some japanese if you had work with them)
this is the type of arrogance that is still exording.
Some may say its 2 different things,
but the truth is, the Japanese leaders are playing such games right now.
using its neighbours people's dependence on japan's economy/products
as a pressure to them,
and as a pride to itself not give-in to its neightbours expectation
of Japan on its WWII crimes.
Think about it. (especially those with dragg's kiddish mentality).
Are they really different issues???
Personally, I feel I just wanna give a tight slap to their PM face. -
-------Originally posted by NuLife:Do you think u have the right to ask people to shut up and fark off??
I feel you are only unable to handle your own thoughts,
not knowing what is right or wrong.
In the end, choose to forgive and forget.
And continue to adore the Japanese culture and products
and their 'superiority'.
This is common.
That is why the Japanese are mocking at useless chinese.
Talk only, no action.
In the end still need them and suck up to them.
Unlike Japanese, who can create and use their own creations,
and make others 'worship' their creations/culture.
If you look at Japanese political leaders,
(even some japanese if you had work with them)
this is the type of arrogance that is still exording.
Some may say its 2 different things,
but the truth is, the Japanese leaders are playing such games right now.
using its neighbours people's dependence on japan's economy/products
as a pressure to them,
and as a pride to itself not give-in to its neightbours expectation
of Japan on its WWII crimes.
Think about it. (especially those with dragg's kiddish mentality).
Are they really different issues???
Personally, I feel I just wanna give a tight slap to their PM face. -
you said one thing right.
NO ACTION, TALK ONLY -
i quote your previous posting "why do you just go read all the postings in the past? dont have to start everything all over again."Originally posted by dragg:learn to know the difference. all i merely suggested was that they read the past postings instead of arguing it all over again. i did not ask anyone to shut up.
and please stop making assumptions.
what is the difference between "dont have to start everything all over again." and "shut up"? don't have to start all over again then why you still continue with your same, old crap? you go read your, old postings and stop the same old dragg. -
thank you NuLife ...Originally posted by NuLife:Do you think u have the right to ask people to shut up and fark off??
I feel you are only unable to handle your own thoughts,
not knowing what is right or wrong. -
great minds think alike ... though my stance was given that we've become so robotically obedient to the commands of our leaders, i fear someday we might just end up like imperialist japan or germany ...Originally posted by sgdiehard:you are absolutely right, it is the fear within some of us, out of ignorance or did we do anything wrong?.
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Roh, Wen Unite on Yasukuni Issue
DECEMBER 13, 2005 07:21
by Yeon-Wook Jung ([email protected])
President Roh Moo-hyun met Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao on December 12 and agreed that South Korea and China would closely cooperate for the success of the six-party talks which aim to resolve the North Korean nuclear issue.
President Roh and Premier Wen also shared the opinion that Japanese political leaders need to take a more accurate historical view and act accordingly.
President Roh and Premier Wen, who are in Malaysia to participate in the “ASEAN +3” summit, met at a hotel in Kuala Lumpur this morning (local time).
Premier Wen stated, “The Japanese leadership has dealt an emotional blow to the people of China and South Korea by paying tribute at the Yasukuni Shrine five times, creating an obstacle in Sino-Japan and Korea-Japan relations. Whether the goal of strengthening cooperation between Korea, China, and Japan can be reached depends on the Japanese leadership.”
President Roh said, “I clearly stated three principles: no paying tribute at the Yasukuni Shrine, accurate history education, and no mentioning of the Dokdo Islet issue by Japan to Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi during the Busan APEC Summit,” and Premier Wen expressed his agreement, stating, “Visits to Yasukuni Shrine and history education are also controversial issues between China and Japan.”
Regarding the six-party talks, Premier Wen said, “We must continue to make efforts to achieve desired results,” and President Roh requested, “I hope China will continue its efforts in persuading North Korea.”
In particular, President Roh requested that South Korea be allowed to participate in ChinaÂ’s nuclear power plant project aiming to build a 40 million kW plant within the next 15 years.
Regarding this request, Premier Wen replied, “Korean companies will be treated equally with other foreign companies, and as a neighboring nation, Korea’s participation in the project will be considered.”
The leaders of South Korea, China, and Japan are known to have met briefly in the waiting room before the ninth “ASEAN +3” Summit began at the Kuala Lumpur Convention Center this day but did not hold dialogue with one another.
At the summit, the “Kuala Lumpur Joint Statement” on the vision of forming an East Asian community was adopted and each nation’s measure for cooperation was discussed broadly.
President Roh suggested the designation of an “East Asia Week” aimed at strengthening East Asia’s sense of identity and promoting cultural understanding within the region and said that Korea would expand its support in IT cooperation projects for the joint prosperity of nations participating in the summit. -
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China, RoK agree to cancel scheduled summit with Japan
12/13/2005 -- 11:16(GMT+7)
Seoul (VNA) - President Roh Moo-huyn of the Republic of Korea (RoK) and Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao have agreed to call-off a three-way meeting on the sidelines of the East Asia Summit (EAS), scheduled in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, on Dec. 14, in order to oppose Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro KoizumiÂ’s repeated visit to the Yasukuni Shrine.
The decision was made at a bilateral meeting between Roh and Wen in Kuala Lumpur on Dec. 12.
During the meeting, Roh and Wen agreed that parties involved in the six-party talks should seek flexible and confident ways in order to resolve nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula.-Enditem -
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Premier Wen meets with ROK president
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2005-12-12 17:24
KUALA LUMPUR -- Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao met here Monday with President of the Republic of Korea (ROK) Roh Moo-hyun on the all-round partnership cooperation between the two countries.
During the meeting, Wen said that the relations of the all-round partnership cooperation between China and the ROK are developing smoothly, with the two sides having strategically clarified the direction for continued development of bilateral relations between the two countries.
Pushing the Sino-ROK all-round partnership relations to forge ahead will benefit the two countries and the two peoples, and is also conducive to peace, stability and prosperity of the region, Wen said.
The Chinese side, fully confident of the development of relations with the ROK, is willing to continue to work together with the ROK side in the following three aspects: -- First, enhancing high-level exchanges and often swapping views and coordinating stances over bilateral ties and significant international issues of common concern; -- Second, expanding and deepening trade and economic cooperation, implementing the goal increasing bilateral trade volume between China and ROK to 200 billion US dollars by 2012, which has been decided by the two sides through consultations; -- Third, strengthening exchanges in culture and other fields between the two countries.
Roh agreed with Wen's proposals, saying that the Sino-ROK ties have registered a rapid development over recent years.
The goal to increase bilateral trade volume to 100 billion dollars by 2008 has been realized three years ahead of schedule, he noted, China's social stability and economic development have also provided opportunities to the ROK.
The ROK and China both belong to a cultural circle, and the ROK is deeply influenced by the Chinese culture and attaches importance to draw nourishment from it, he noted.
Each year, there are some 3 million ROK nationals going to China for tourism and business purposes, the president added, saying that the ROK will, together with the Chinese side, push for further development of the bilateral relations.
The two leaders also exchanged views on the nuclear issue of the Korean peninsula.
Wen expressed his hope that the parties involved would be flexible and sincere in implementing their respective political promises on the basis of "promise-to-promise, action-to-action" principle, so as to push the six-party talks to proceed forward and make a headway.
Roh agreed with the Chinese side, expressing thanks for the role it has played in pushing forward the six-party talks.
The president spoke highly of the Chinese foreign policy of equality, mutual benefit and good neighborhood, saying that the policy is of significance to peace and stability in Asia, and sets a fine example for the world order in the 21st century.
The Chinese premier arrived here Sunday to attend East-Asian summits and pay an official visit to Malaysia. -
Japan's embassy protests to Singapore daily over Yasukuni editorials
Saturday, November 26, 2005 at 04:00 JST
SINGAPORE — The Japanese Embassy in Singapore has sent a rare letter of protest to Singapore's main Chinese-language Lianhe Zaobao newspaper over two editorials criticizing Japan that were published in the wake of Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's visit to Yasukuni Shrine last month.
The letter also defended Koizumi's trips to the shrine, saying they are not aimed at whitewashing Japan's militarism in the war. It claimed Koizumi believes the peace and prosperity that Japan enjoys today has been built upon the valuable sacrifices of those who perished in that war, and so it is important to show appreciation for their sacrifice.
© 2005 Kyodo News.
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To those who think Japan has repent and is forgiveable:
The above only showed that the Japan still has the same imperialism
mentality since WWII.
Japan had never regret being the aggressors in WWII.
Instead, Japan is gladful to its ancestors for it!!!