why are some Singaporeans despise PRCs???
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That's because they do not know the environment that we grow up in, or the culture that we inherit, which is that of the Straits citizen, where we are not monolingually Chinese.Originally posted by SilverPal:A problem I face when interacting with PRC ppl is that, due to my poor standard of mandarin, the prc person constantly gives me insulting remarks about me being chinese.
ie "A chinese that cannot speak mandarin well... sheesh"
"...you still call yourself a chinese?"
"your mother never teach you? how come you can't speak proper mandarin?"
"are you sure you're educated? you can't even express yourself properly"
It's about ignorance and as long as we feel that we have enlightened others enough, the ball is in their court and we should not feel bitter that others have not come to realise.
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1stly, stupid is not an expletive.Originally posted by dreameryb:At least I have not used any expletives in my comments so far. The same thing cannot be said of certain rude Singaporeans who cannot check their emotions and resort to calling others stupid. If I have made a mistake in reasoning, point it out and argue cogently. Name-calling only betrays your level of education and upbringing. Now who is depicable here? It's sad.
I laugh at the assusation that I do not understand your childish rantings. I have lived in English-speaking countries for many a year and you are in no position to comment on my ability to comprehend.
You assert that some studying in Imperial College are children from criminals families and quickly add that this is a non-contestable fact. I personally do not have friends studying in that college so I really cannot comment on the factuality of your proposition. However, I am curious how your friends found out the criminal family backgrounds of those children. Do they just boast on campus that their parents are felons? In any case, if this is a fact, as you claim it to be, I believe the authorities of that college should be aware of this situation and should have taken necessary measures (such as forcing withdrawls of the students candidature) because apparently the tuition fees they charge are not earned from legal chanels. We have not seen any reportage of this kind in media yet.
Even if I give you the credit of truthfulness, so what do these isolated cases of these "criminals' children" say about PRCs in general, if I may respectfully ask?
2ndly, im asking you if u are stupid, i have not said u to are stupid as a fact. I have left it to you to answer, and if u say no, then no it is.
3rdly, it is very much a fact that u simply have not understood my post earlier. U either did not understand what "on a sidenote" means, or worse, u deliberately choose to ignore it, for what reason, I do not know.
4th, when one interacts with many students in their course(as my friend does), on gradually finds out about the family backgrounds of others. While those who are from crime families do not boast openly about it, 1stly, they are extremely wealthy. Once they know some people well enough, they do open up a bit, and that bit is enough to know they are from crime families. Most of their families are in power within China, and usually not active in the UK, so there is no reason to report it to the authorities. Moreover, Imperial College and other prestigeous unis in UK are known to close an eye to such things when they are receiving hefty school fees from these PRC students. I'm not sure if you are aware but the Business School of Oxford is said to be funded from funds associated with terrorist or criminal(non-PRC, presumably American or Middle Eastern) elements.
5th, I added this as a sidenote, because I thought it would be an interesting thing to share. It never said anything in general about PRCs.
Lastly, I hope that if any of you PRCs cannot take the views that others have of you, nor the criticism that comes along with it, in future kindly refrain from asking questions like the one asked by the topic starter. -
Hmmm....... Just stumbled across this interesting question. Just a little observation here, I noticed that there is a heated arguement between the PRC ppls and the local folks. I agree to a certain extent some of local ppls in one way or another, used quite some strong words, and might have offended others. I also do hope the PRC ppls do take a step back and keep an open mind when reading the post. Since U r interested in finding out wat the Singaporeans think, U should not be afraid to hear from them. Like the saying goes, "The truth hurts", honest words do sound nasty to ppls.
I'm currently studying in a local uni, and I do have a couple of PRC frens. In fact my experience with dealing with them, went all the way back when I was in Secondary school. In general, most PRC students I met before are quite nice and friendly ppls. Of course there are some proud,rich and arrogant ones who boast abt being scholar, and looking down on others especially the poor ones. Here are some of my thought on why PRC ppls perceive Singaporeans as despising them..........
1) Most Singaporeans speak English at work or at school. Bcos this is the official working langguage and the only langguage which can be used to amalgate the various races. Using any other langguages would have defeated the purpose of moulding Singapore into a fair meritocratic society that do not favour a particular race or group. Therefore, some PRC do not understand why Singaporeans choose to speak English when the majority of the ppl are in fact Chinese...... Some came up theories that Singaporeans look down on their country. Some think that with like to boot-lick the western countries or some even think that we harbour evil intentions towards them.
2) Inferiority thinking towards others. With new found military and economical strength, ever-increasing number of ppls studying over-seas and learning English, some PRC ppls tend to be overtly showy,egoisitic abt their culture and nation as being the most elite in the world. The part abt the 5000 yrs history and Chinese food, movies and novels gaining popularity all around the world, together with those patriotic education they receive at school, further bolster this mentality. Thus it has cause the PRC ppls to behave like the Americans, ever-wanting others to idolise and follow their way of life and philosophy. It is common to see PRC webbies and forumers to use crude nick-names to refer to other countries, races or even religious believes. Looking down on the poorer and less well-off nations. For example, I have seen PRC forumer calling Indian "Ah san"( third-rated beings), Russian " Lao mao Zi"( old hairy men), Japan " Wo kou","Wei Guo" ( villian or pirate country)...........the list goes on. Of- course they do have names for Singapore, but since it is even more nasty than the above, I will not mention it. The way some PRC forummers conduct themselves on International forums also reflect poorly on their countries. They like to conduct personal attacks on ppls, and the like to used vulgarities to scold ppls. Thus, it is not surprising that some PRC ppls like to enforce their thinkings and believes on us, as they believe they are more elite than us. There was once I even come across a PRC forummer who claims to be studying in a local Polytechnic, opening a thread by the name of " Why PRC citizens should hate Singapore". I was quite surprised that after studying three yrs in Singapore, he or she is actually writing articles to incite his fellow frens to hate us........how ironic. -
Good point..
We don't need such hate-mongers in our midst.They should be deported if they want to take advantage of what little freedom of speech we have to incite hate and inspire others to take on a belligerent mindset. -
erm, 1 and 7 a bit far apart leh, you sure you typed wrongly or remembered wrongly?Originally posted by huaqing:since when did i treat u like an idiot? haha, i typed 1997 wrongly so it became 1991 instead...
i dun really noe wad u mean in the last para...
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Very simple. Racism. Happens all over the world not just in Singapore.Originally posted by huaqing:i noticed that some Singaporeans despise PRCs although they did nothing wrong. Why are they despising them?
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you dun always assume that sporeans dun bypass law in singapore. of course there are ppl in China who bypas laws, but sporeans sometimes do also.Originally posted by sgdiehard:The posts here should give you a good idea of how we view the ppl from PRC. There is no right or wrong in what they do, and we understand that china is big and opinions and views vary much. But, you should be aware that it is how you behave that give us the impression of you.
1. You need to respect countries' laws. I know in China you always find your own way to bypass laws and regulations. "shang you zheng ce, xia you dui ce" can be innovative but may not be respectful to the locals.
2. You need to understand others who are different from you, especially the ethnic chinese. You must know the difference between a an ethnic chinese and a chinese national. We, in singapore, are chinese but not chinese nationals.
Don't try to insist that beijing qiang mandarin is the correct mandarin. Not even the shanghainese speak that kind of mandarin, and do not think our chinese bu biao zhun.
Overseas ethnic chinese are more chinese in terms of chinese culture, traditions and heritage than you are. PRCs under the communists destroyed much of chinese culture during the cultural revolution. So do not think PRCs chinese has the correct chineseness.
3. Do not assume that we are ignorant of the historical baggages. Much of the disputes are political, and do not force us to take sides with you. Let time heals the wound.
4. Do not be defensive or only react to how others treat you, even if others may misunderstand you. China is growing big and power, your ppl are in every corner, made in china is in every household, ppl do not know you and the rise of your nationalism frightens ppl.
Respect and goodwill cannot be demanded just because you come from a big country. A polite gesture, a smile, a sincere greeting, will carry you a long way.
and ur second point is obvious...
a language always have dialects. for example, i can speak Pu tong hua, which is the standard chinese, and i can also speak Sichuan hua, which is my dialect. in singapore your so-called "bu biao zhun" chinese may be seen as a singaporean dialect too...however, PRCs definitely have better chinese standards than most sporeans cos they learn deeper chinese in schools, just like in singapore u learn deeper english than chinese.
and the cultural revolution is already over for almost 30 years, but i dun see any culture being destroyed. and if u observe, if China is still a communist state until now, will they allow sporeans to go and invest? ok for ur info, they still say that they are communists but they are not communists anymore.
why would u fear a rise in nationalism among PRCs?
of course everybody has to be polite to earn respect. no one really cares if u come from what country.
but all ur points here seems saying that i am doing all these...
when i did not. -
Ermm..... LaserLordz........ are u trying to say I'm trying to incite hatre among ppls? NO!!! I'm just summarizing the things I observed on some Chinese forums especially the military forums and put them here for u all to see. How u try to interpret is up to u.
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I don't despise PRCs, but i just don't like the way they talk loudly, machiam scared people cannot hear what they saying. It maybe the way of life in China, but in Singapore, it isn't, and if u can't adapt to the local culture, u will stick out like a sore thumb. Also, how many cases of China women coming here as study mamas and be prostitutes too?A minority it may be, but it is enough to give the whole lot a bad name.
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PRCs stealing all my grades, all my consultation times with lecturers, all the self-study groups with their own people, all my future jobs.
Damn them!
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You're right I guess... Thanks!!!Originally posted by LazerLordz:That's because they do not know the environment that we grow up in, or the culture that we inherit, which is that of the Straits citizen, where we are not monolingually Chinese.
It's about ignorance and as long as we feel that we have enlightened others enough, the ball is in their court and we should not feel bitter that others have not come to realise.
Don't keep your anger too long, just let it go. -
Either you are under-estimating my IQ or you are being sheer ignorant yourself. When people ask "Hello, are you stupid? ", it is NOT eliciting a yes or no response because it is a rhetorical question that comes with it the evaluation of the speaker already. Look at this other example, "Do you have to be a bigot?" is not a genuine question, rather, it is implying indirectly that you are a bigot. Get it? [It's just an example for illustrative purpose. Please do not take it personally]
Therefore, when you said "im asking you if u are stupid, i have not said u to are stupid as a fact. I have left it to you to answer, and if u say no, then no it is", it is very unclever rationalizing.
If you have questions regarding this, you should consult your primary school teacher.Originally posted by HENG@:2ndly, im asking you if u are stupid, i have not said u to are stupid as a fact. I have left it to you to answer, and if u say no, then no it is.
3rdly, it is very much a fact that u simply have not understood my post earlier. U either did not understand what "on a sidenote" means, or worse, u deliberately choose to ignore it, for what reason, I do not know.
4th, when one interacts with many students in their course(as my friend does), on gradually finds out about the family backgrounds of others. While those who are from crime families do not boast openly about it, 1stly, they are extremely wealthy. Once they know some people well enough, they do open up a bit, and that bit is enough to know they are from crime families. Most of their families are in power within China, and usually not active in the UK, so there is no reason to report it to the authorities. Moreover, Imperial College and other prestigeous unis in UK are known to close an eye to such things when they are receiving hefty school fees from these PRC students. I'm not sure if you are aware but the Business School of Oxford is said to be funded from funds associated with terrorist or criminal(non-PRC, presumably American or Middle Eastern) elements.
5th, I added this as a sidenote, because I thought it would be an interesting thing to share. It never said anything in general about PRCs.
Lastly, I hope that if any of you PRCs cannot take the views that others have of you, nor the criticism that comes along with it, in future kindly refrain from asking questions like the one asked by the topic starter. -
I hope you got the answers you wanted?
There are some amongst them who are sheer prejudiced mules. One forumite said something to the effect that "Although I realize the balck sheep are the minority, I still do not hold Chinese nationals in general in good regard". That should give you the general idea. When those who can afford to be objective still persist in their biased thinking, it would be too much to ask the less enlightened here (quite a few, honestly) to start thinking rationally. If you are unfortunate to have unpleasant encounters with such Sporeans, you should ignore and also forgive them. Sometimes people cannot help with their own ignorance and bigatry. Reasoning with such people is like casting pearls to a swine. And we should not reduce ourselves to their level.
I have noticed the perenial misconceptions amongst certain Chinese singareans regarding how we view their Chinese standard. Honestly, I do not care what varieties of Chinese they speak or with what proficiency. There are more important things in life where I exercise my judgement and discretion. AND contrary to what some have commented here, we do understand the rationale for the official status of English here and we do not think they(Sporeans) harbor any ulteria motives towards us by adopting an English-as-official-language policy. It takes a child's mind to think that way.
Further on this point, someone said here that they were annoyed when we speak with our own accent. Are they equally annoyed when they hear Americans and Brits talking, I do not know. But people generally should not be blamed for their accent. To all intents and purpose, I respect Singlish!!
Then, there is the talk of the town that Chinese nationalism is on the rise and how that frightens some people. I honestly do not know where they got the idea. With a country's fast development naturally comes with a stronger sense of pride amongst its people. Therefore, we may project a more confident and self-assertive image when we deal with people. But that does not necessarily translate into nationalism. Maybe it's because some people are used to us being meek and silent and the idea that we are growing stronger unsettles them. Some people start to take us to task for their inability to digest the changes China has experienced. I say, in such cases, it is their problem.
We may express certain strong views on the Japanese government's (government, not people) selective amnesia in what happened in WW 2. We believe that we are entitled to expressing such views for the sake of justice. Some Chinese nationals have taken extreme measures , (which BTW, most of us do not approve of), but they should be contextually interpreted as expressions of anger, not a display of nationalism.
Lastly, we do believe that there is room for improvement in terms of bahviour amongst some of us. However, I just wish to let certain Sporeans know that MOST of us are aware of and exercise social etiqutte in compliance with international standards. If they let a tree hide the sight of a forest, it is their problem. We thank those for the well-intentioned Dos and Don'ts list though.Originally posted by huaqing:you dun always assume that sporeans dun bypass law in singapore. of course there are ppl in China who bypas laws, but sporeans sometimes do also.
and ur second point is obvious...
a language always have dialects. for example, i can speak Pu tong hua, which is the standard chinese, and i can also speak Sichuan hua, which is my dialect. in singapore your so-called "bu biao zhun" chinese may be seen as a singaporean dialect too...however, PRCs definitely have better chinese standards than most sporeans cos they learn deeper chinese in schools, just like in singapore u learn deeper english than chinese.
and the cultural revolution is already over for almost 30 years, but i dun see any culture being destroyed. and if u observe, if China is still a communist state until now, will they allow sporeans to go and invest? ok for ur info, they still say that they are communists but they are not communists anymore.
why would u fear a rise in nationalism among PRCs?
of course everybody has to be polite to earn respect. no one really cares if u come from what country.
but all ur points here seems saying that i am doing all these...
when i did not. -
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not you brother..Originally posted by equlus84:Ermm..... LaserLordz........ are u trying to say I'm trying to incite hatre among ppls? NO!!! I'm just summarizing the things I observed on some Chinese forums especially the military forums and put them here for u all to see. How u try to interpret is up to u.
damn paiseh
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Well, I'm lucky I'm taking modules where they do not form even a single soul.Originally posted by CoolMyth:PRCs stealing all my grades, all my consultation times with lecturers, all the self-study groups with their own people, all my future jobs.
Damn them! 
They can afford to mug 24/7, cuz they don't have the social networks to maintain, if you get my drift.
Oh and it's curious why I rarely see the PRC dudes eat at Cheese Prata or any local sarabat stall, that's one way to enjoy our local culture. -
Ya also durians.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Oh and it's curious why I rarely see the PRC dudes eat at Cheese Prata or any local sarabat stall, that's one way to enjoy our local culture.
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O RLY?Originally posted by dreameryb:Either you are under-estimating my IQ or you are being sheer ignorant yourself. When people ask "Hello, are you stupid? ", it is NOT eliciting a yes or no response because it is a rhetorical question that comes with it the evaluation of the speaker already. Look at this other example, "Do you have to be a bigot?" is not a genuine question, rather, it is implying indirectly that you are a bigot. Get it? [It's just an example for illustrative purpose. Please do not take it personally]
Therefore, when you said "im asking you if u are stupid, i have not said u to are stupid as a fact. I have left it to you to answer, and if u say no, then no it is", it is very unclever rationalizing.
If you have questions regarding this, you should consult your primary school teacher.
well ultimately, one must ask, if u are then, indeed owning up to being stupid.
even if u think u got this clear, the fact is u still have not understood or assumed a lot of things.
I say again. If u cannot take criticism of your people, then next time make sure your people don't ask questions with answers they won't like. -
hua qing, seeing that im your school senior and your CCA senior as well, all I will tell u is this. 1stly, you can point out as much as you like that just because some people do certain things doesn't mean everyone does, it also doesn't mean that the people who do certain things aren't the minority. What I've said earlier about PRCs who refuse to speak english even in a huge group of non-chinese speakers, is what I have observed amongst majority of the PRCs in my uni and a whole other bunch of PRCs I know in other unis in London.Originally posted by huaqing:you dun always assume that sporeans dun bypass law in singapore. of course there are ppl in China who bypas laws, but sporeans sometimes do also.
and ur second point is obvious...
a language always have dialects. for example, i can speak Pu tong hua, which is the standard chinese, and i can also speak Sichuan hua, which is my dialect. in singapore your so-called "bu biao zhun" chinese may be seen as a singaporean dialect too...however, PRCs definitely have better chinese standards than most sporeans cos they learn deeper chinese in schools, just like in singapore u learn deeper english than chinese.
and the cultural revolution is already over for almost 30 years, but i dun see any culture being destroyed. and if u observe, if China is still a communist state until now, will they allow sporeans to go and invest? ok for ur info, they still say that they are communists but they are not communists anymore.
why would u fear a rise in nationalism among PRCs?
of course everybody has to be polite to earn respect. no one really cares if u come from what country.
but all ur points here seems saying that i am doing all these...
when i did not.
Im also going to tell u that, arguing back at us to try to make us change our minds will just backfire on you. You change perception of others by what you do, not what you say. In fact I will also tell u that you asked the question, and when we answer, you and other PRCs who see this get annoyed. I find that rather pointless. I mean, seriously, if you cannot stomach our answers, then don't ask in the 1st place. By getting all defensive when all we did were to give you our most honest opinion (and in giving you our most honest opinion, it actually shows that we do not disregard you), all it did was to further sour our general views of PRCs. Maybe I have to point out that perhaps PRCs have to learn to swallow their pride somewhat. Belonging to one of the greatest nations on earth is not an excuse to develop an evo by proxy. I hold that view for arrogant white people, I hold the same view for arrogant PRCs. -
There is no need to be judgemental. So stop asking people whether they think they are stupid. It is sheer rude.
On your last point, it is not criticisms I cannot take, it is bias and folly in certain people's criticisms that I find funny and therefore fell obligated to respond. When people seek your opinions on issues, it does not imply that they will agree with everything you say. You are entitled to your own opinions. BUt it does not mean we accept everything you say. After all, the beauty about communication is that it is a TWO-WAY street. When you express your views, others are allowed to respond, Get it? If this response narrowly intepreted by some as defensive, let it be.
Lastly I am least interested in seeking any of your opinions on us. Huaqing asked this question for his/her own reason. And I certainly cannot make sure what other people do or don't.Originally posted by HENG@:O RLY?
well ultimately, one must ask, if u are then, indeed owning up to being stupid.
even if u think u got this clear, the fact is u still have not understood or assumed a lot of things.
I say again. If u cannot take criticism of your people, then next time make sure your people don't ask questions with answers they won't like. -
Originally posted by dreameryb:There is no need to be judgemental. So stop asking people whether they think they are stupid. It is sheer rude.
On your last point, it is not criticisms I cannot take, it is bias and folly in certain people's criticisms that I find funny and therefore fell obligated to respond. When people seek your opinions on issues, it does not imply that they will agree with everything you say. You are entitled to your own opinions. BUt it does not mean we accept everything you say. After all, the beauty about communication is that it is a TWO-WAY street. When you express your views, others are allowed to respond, Get it? If this response narrowly intepreted by some as defensive, let it be.
Lastly I am least interested in seeking any of your opinions on us. Huaqing asked this question for his/her own reason. And I certainly cannot make sure what other people do or don't.
bias and folly? pardon me for making u think what i observe as a bias and folly then. So i guess most of those PRCs whom i've mentioned only put on an act in front of us to make us think they are the way we think they are ya? When they are not with us, they suddenly become very nice and friendly and sociable.
Thanks for the englightenment. I shall go prepare a batch of Golden Horse Award statuettes for them now. -
woah, flames burning here
Anyways, heres my 2cents worth. I dont despice PRC people. They are generally nice and humble people with a slightly stronger sense of nationalism, in my own opinion. Its just that i feel like they are now everywhere in Singapore......schools, workplaces, etc, ......its like our population is being flooded with them (not unlike the people working coming from Bangladesh, but its a job that most Singaporeans wont do, so have no right to complain ). Seems like our culture is being slowly diluted by foreign immigrants. -
Originally posted by abao:
The argument about foreign elements, whether they add to our culture or subtract to it, is not something easily resolved overnight.
woah, flames burning here
Anyways, heres my 2cents worth. I [b]dont despice PRC people. They are generally nice and humble people with a slightly stronger sense of nationalism, in my own opinion. Its just that i feel like they are now everywhere in Singapore......schools, workplaces, etc, ......its like our population is being flooded with them (not unlike the people working coming from Bangladesh, but its a job that most Singaporeans wont do, so have no right to complain ). Seems like our culture is being slowly diluted by foreign immigrants.[/b]
Certain areas in LA are purely Hispanic, and that is the trend.Will our culture become more Chinese, I certainly hope not, because it is not something palatable and certainly unbecoming of a Straits nation like ours. -
but i love durians...
hehe Originally posted by dreameryb:Ya also durians. -
erm...which school and which CCA were u from?Originally posted by HENG@:hua qing, seeing that im your school senior and your CCA senior as well