On Consolidating topics NKF, Casino
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I came to this forum recently, I noticed this forum has a policy of policing and consolidating of the popular topics whereas other forums do not.
The purpose of a forum is to keep the forums lively. If NKF is the hotest topic, naturally more threads should be be created.
How does consolidating the threads make this forum better? Its not like this forum is meant for research and careful archiving of information is needed for further use. Rather it is more for spontaneous discussion of the latest topics
What do you think forummers? -
the purpose is to consolidate threads of similiar content together so that forumites can concentrate discussions in one thread instead of having to repeat their opinions or comments all over the place.....
this is also to allow the forums to be neat and tidy.....and easier for mods to moderate threads.... -
some of the other forums i go have this policy oso mah....Originally posted by kilua:I noticed this forum has a policy of policing and consolidating of the popular topics whereas other forums do not.
their one more high tech u know....
jit tao move all the posts and put all in one thread
here have to close and hotlink to tell ppl to go to the correct thread.... -
Consolidating has its negative side - it may stifle the spontaneous discussion of the topic, also it appears to be a form of censorship, because people do not read the consolidated threads as much as new threads.
But i appreciate the difficulty of the mods if the threads are not well organized.
Thanks for your reply FireIce -
it works both ways
forumites shd also play their part.....
before opening a new topic (thinking u have the latest news in town), do spend some time to look thru the threads and see if there is already a discussion going on.... -
If a topic is very hot, let there be a bit of flexibility. For example, NKF is a very wide topic concerning not just NKF but the whole of government as many of the policies of NKF are found in the government too.
The suggestion for flexibility is a good and creative one.
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For me it is very simple. I do not restrict on what you post about NKF or the govt or whatever. However in return, I expect that all of you abide by the rulings to consolidate stuff in one thread. We do not wish to allow wanton posting to affect responsible posters.
This is the policy of SC and it will stand. -
I still don't get it :Originally posted by FireIce:it works both ways
forumites shd also play their part.....
before opening a new topic (thinking u have the latest news in town), do spend some time to look thru the threads and see if there is already a discussion going on....
It policing of a forum works BOTH ways, this forum is working for the modeator's not, for the interest of the forumers ? Right ?
Isn't that going against the essence of Internet itself ? -
If forumites do not mind repeating the similar issues again, there isnt a need to stop them from dicussing a second time. Other forums that debate about freewill repeat the same arguments over and over again but sometimes there are fresh perpectives.Originally posted by FireIce:the purpose is to consolidate threads of similiar content together so that forumites can concentrate discussions in one thread instead of having to repeat their opinions or comments all over the place.....
this is also to allow the forums to be neat and tidy.....and easier for mods to moderate threads....
While there are no rules to deny what can be posted, but the fact that the current arrangement stifles new discussion cannot be denied. I know quite a few IT friends who believe technology should change people's habits but i believe technology should change to suit peoples habits. End of the day, if users find that they are stifled by technologies or rules, they would simply migrate to better alternatives. -
Then if server space get clogged and server gets laggy, the usual thing people do is to blame the admin or mods
Admin and mods job very hard
PS: The above is not only true, but also to say it before the someone else does. Kekeke -
Yes forumites understand the policy of SC and we want to know the rationale behind the policy that seems to stifles discussion. We should not stand behind burecratic rules and merely tell others to accept them. This post was to ask what is the rationale of the policy and discuss on alternatives.Originally posted by greengoblin:For me it is very simple. I do not restrict on what you post about NKF or the govt or whatever. However in return, I expect that all of you abide by the rulings to consolidate stuff in one thread. We do not wish to allow wanton posting to affect responsible posters.
This is the policy of SC and it will stand. -
Threads with decent topics have a HIGH tendency to deviate to other discussions unrelated to the thread itself.
The worry is whether this 'disease' will proliferate if the moderators don't streamline similar topics.
Mind you it's not about policing breakaway factions who love to spam differing views but simply to avoid repetitions.
Too much of the same food is never good, so the line must be drawn. Let the mods decide when to draw that line. Of course, like others have candidly pointed out, too much mopping up stifles productive discussion. Again, leave it to the mods to decide. So far the SC forum remains conducive and intellectual.
Can't say the same for other local forums though except hardwarezone and C/Net asia. -
Originally posted by BillyBong:
Isn't that an indication of how certain subject attract differing views and opinons over different times ?
Threads with decent topics have a HIGH tendency to deviate to other discussions unrelated to the thread itself.
I myself frequent other forums like Delphiforums and no such sanitised modeation exist. In fact, the matter of how "decent" a formite shows will automatically be censored, banned or even ignored totally by others if perpertrator repeated similar behaviour. Like I said, that is the very essence of a free public forum on the internet.The worry is whether this 'disease' will proliferate if the moderators don't streamline similar topics.
In biological terms, "diease" actually is a healthy sign of "diversity" and hence the ability to survive in ever changing conditions of its valid existence. That anology applies to ANY human ideology, arguments or opinons as expressed in any fashion, including a forum itself. And if a moderator isn't capable of handling all these "dieases", than isn't that a manifastation of a weak immunity and tolerance to existing differing views and except the diversity of diease ?Mind you it's not about policing breakaway factions who love to spam differing views but simply to avoid repetitions.
No. This is the role of forumite to decide what is a spam or repetitions, not moderator's.Too much of the same food is never good, so the line must be drawn. Let the mods decide when to draw that line. Of course, like others have candidly pointed out, too much mopping up stifles productive discussion. Again, leave it to the mods to decide. So far the SC forum remains conducive and intellectual.
IMO, this forum has crossed the line of free speak (SPEAKER's Corner, remember ?). It has become so overly moderated that is hardly a place for intellectual or conducive even for a simple deviation of subject. -
It will seem that participants enjoy the opportunity to be in the spotlight of starting a thread, and the Moderators could do a better job in understanding the directions of the new thread that is developing before deciding to lock up the thread and directing all discussion in one consolidated place.
While there maybe repetitive threads of NKF that can jar one's senses, some new threads that can be seen to be similar in tone and color - with these new threads "borrowing" the "headlines of the day" but with the new thread heading in a totally new direction.
One clear example is robertteh's "new" thread that "borrowed the publicity of NKF" in the "locked up" thread :
"NKF gives 10 Cents, Govt ? cts of tax dollars to tie citizens"
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=170682
Was robertteh's new thread a discussion concerning the well trodden issues about NKF, OR has it to do with Government's expenditure of tax dollars to benefit Citizens ?
If one is to start a new thread by borrowing the quote from KPMG - "concerning the failures of the checks and balances within NKF due to ONE strong personality" - and impose it on the larger political vista of Singapore, is one referring to NKF or the identical failures of checks and balances of politics in Singapore ?
Will the new thread get locked up and all discussions herded into a crossfire of differing discussions and arguments buried in one thread that bears the acronym "NKF" ?
Have we lost our sense of balance and judgment ? -
Even Straits times today gives more coverage to NKF in the forum letter.
For example, If a forumite want to appeal to the internet community to forgive durai, he would have little means to reach others by posting in the consolidated threads.
Having the SC forums flooded with NKF posting may not be that great, why not limit a max number of 3 new threads per topic? -
While there may be a need sometimes to consolidate threads, I personally feel that the way it is administered is overkilling.
There can often be various aspects on a topic and it would be difficult to develope these aspects w/o starting a new thread.
From my experience on this forum, I don't think people here start unnecessary new threads just to spam.
I suggest relaxing the consolidation and locking by the admin. Thsi will make for a more meaningful and vibrant forum.