Soldier's Drowning.
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2nd Sg Ong Jia Hui - a trained lifeguard and strong swimmer - died on june 15.
the 4 SAF instructors - 5m to 10m away - did not see him slip beneath the waves.
the soldier's recently serviced life vest was damaged. the coroner said the leaky vest had not been activated and "did not contribute to his drowning"
there was no medical officer on standby at changi naval base.
all 4 face the possibility of criminal charges.
for details see H3, STimes.
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he had 10kg of equipment with him, including a 3kg ladder, when he drowned. it is common to swim with so much weight in such training.
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i think they will be charged lightly ... wth MO or not ... i think may not be the case ...
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So sad another life is lost.Originally posted by dragg:he had 10kg of equipment with him, including a 3kg ladder, when he drowned. it is common to swim with so much weight in such training.
10kg?
...unless it is SOF kind of training.... 
even it is, the information will not appear on official report. 
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it is in the report and today's straits times.Originally posted by kops21:So sad another life is lost.
10kg? ...unless it is SOF kind of training.... even it is, the information will not appear on official report. -
The stupid thing was it slipped out of thier minds that there should be a medic appointed for the exercise, but it slipped out of one of the IC's mind, and the rest of them didn't ensure?
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they tot 'just another training and we can go back home'....sighOriginally posted by ditzy:The stupid thing was it slipped out of thier minds that there should be a medic appointed for the exercise, but it slipped out of one of the IC's mind, and the rest of them didn't ensure? -
the picture shows only 5 in the water.
yet 4 trainers did not notice he had drown.
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Drowning can happen very fast. It may be too sudden for them to do anything since he had so much weight.
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It's SOF training. He is from the NDU's counter terrorist unit.Originally posted by kops21:So sad another life is lost.
10kg? ...unless it is SOF kind of training.... even it is, the information will not appear on official report.
In the 1983 Grenada operation,a number of US Navy SEAL commandos(supposed to be like fish in water) drowned when their combat loads of over 50kg dragged them down...Originally posted by Salman:Drowning can happen very fast. It may be too sudden for them to do anything since he had so much weight. -
but why was his life vest not even activated?
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precisely, i think SAF really need to go and re-read and redraft the SAF doctrine or TSR.
Also the life-vest SHOULD BE WORKING regardless it is activated or NOT!
Jettison drill NOT properly briefed and conducted, or because it is SIMPLY impossible to do the drill in time for such a heavy load that you carry.
Firstly, way stupid is how can they perform the jettison drill on land, when they say, "jettison" then you swoop...the barang barang come out. THEY should conduct in water to find how MUCH MORE DIFFICULT it is to do the drill. Can easily take 4-5 times more time to take out your barang barang!
Those people never take Science or engineering courses! -
maybe he simply fainted and went down without any struggle...Originally posted by dragg:but why was his life vest not even activated? -
they actually went for a 3rd time as there was enough time before lunch.
isnt 2 times taxing enough? -
well....its the SOF...nuff said.....shit happens...life aint peachy there...everyone who applies to join them noes its dangerous shit
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I suggest they double check on inflatables every time before issue just like they do 100% xray scan of fuzes nowadays since the 155mm blasted in the barrel a few years ago.
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anyone has any idea what the autopsy said?
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read the 1st post....LEAKY vest? what kinda shlt is that? how come the vest is leaky?
life vest should be good no matter its activated or not. -
was it mentioned he frm SOF?
i was looking at the article and found it weird tat it wasn't mentioned wat unit he wass from.. or i missed it out? -
Because they say it is not realistic....elite commando soldiers do not go around wearing inflatable life vests in the water during operations. The enemy will see you a mile away...Originally posted by dragg:but why was his life vest not even activated? -
He's not from SOF.That's all I can say.This issue was discussed a while back, and this is reason why people die, a lack of care in ensuring that proper training equipment is working and a lack of concentration on the trainers part.Originally posted by f50_vapor:was it mentioned he frm SOF?
i was looking at the article and found it weird tat it wasn't mentioned wat unit he wass from.. or i missed it out?
Solve these acts of wanton carelessness and safety will improve, not changing BMT into a chalet.
RIP to this fine man, and may those careless instructors pay a heavy price.You are trainers, soldiers and mentors, you have no excuse to be lax on your watch.Take it like the man you signed on to be. -
He is from SOF. Confirmed it wif my SOF trainee fren after tat incident. And the reason why the life vest din inflate automatically was bcos the ones used by the divers and SOF are manually inflated.Originally posted by LazerLordz:He's not from SOF.That's all I can say.This issue was discussed a while back, and this is reason why people die, a lack of care in ensuring that proper training equipment is working and a lack of concentration on the trainers part.
Solve these acts of wanton carelessness and safety will improve, not changing BMT into a chalet.
RIP to this fine man, and may those careless instructors pay a heavy price.You are trainers, soldiers and mentors, you have no excuse to be lax on your watch.Take it like the man you signed on to be. -
Okay then, thanks for the verification.Originally posted by KKK84:He is from SOF. Confirmed it wif my SOF trainee fren after tat incident. And the reason why the life vest din inflate automatically was bcos the ones used by the divers and SOF are manually inflated. -
just want to show my condolences to these people...
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seems that all 4 trainers were focusing on another trainee who was struggling in the water. It could be during that time that the poor chap drowned.Originally posted by dragg:the picture shows only 5 in the water.
yet 4 trainers did not notice he had drown.
amazing isnt it?