Many Singaporeans migrating....How come???
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wad sideline business did u registered?Originally posted by Weirdo80:Yes, take home salary is more than what you would get in Singapore. The Aussie dollar is strong now so if you earn AUD and send back money your dollar will go further. Of course it varies by industry but on average that's how it is. It's just that if you want to lower tax even more, register your own business as a sideline and claim business expenses through there as it will reduce your overall taxable income.
meanin dat u r ur primary job is still wrkin for others nw? -
double postOriginally posted by Weirdo80:Yes, take home salary is more than what you would get in Singapore. The Aussie dollar is strong now so if you earn AUD and send back money your dollar will go further. Of course it varies by industry but on average that's how it is. It's just that if you want to lower tax even more, register your own business as a sideline and claim business expenses through there as it will reduce your overall taxable income. -
if you are not a defeatist go abroad and get skills that are truly global then whats the point of getting your skills here in a mediocritic country that you find unbearable, aren't you also using singapore as a stepping stone, you have the balls to talk big walk the talk.Originally posted by LazerLordz:go abroad if your skills are truly global.what for go abroad and work at macs.
it's the defeatist attitude of accepting mediocrity that's killing us. -
I registered a business as an IT consultancy. Just do like 2 or 3 websites or software packages a year to make it seem like you are "in business". Otherwise, my primary job is still working for a corporation. Moonlighting is acceptable in Australia, so long as it doesn't affect your performance. You are not required to declare other jobs with the employer, only the tax office will know. If you register a business, whatever income that you obtain from that business will be added to your taxable income. Similarly, whatever net losses you make are deducted from your taxable income.Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:wad sideline business did u registered?
meanin dat u r ur primary job is still wrkin for others nw?
There is a lot more stuff, if you are interested you should find out more from the ATO (www.ato.gov.au). There are certain rules like if you buy certain assets you are only allowed to depreciate them over a period of time and not claim it as an expense immediately, unless you claim it under "cost of goods sold". There's a lot of reading to do, but if you can master it and still stay legal, you have effectively "played the system". -
There r thing which Australia can offer but not Singapore.Originally posted by KumSioJui:well those that complain that old people have to lift trash bag at food courts or life is too fast here for an educated young graduate maybe you like to suggest how we can earn our living when we don't have any oil or natural resources instead of complaining and complaining non stop.
I seem to remember those old friends and neighbours who left for "greener pastures" in 83 to australia or canada during a bad recession only to realise that the place the went are good only if you are white and I'm not being prejudiced here, and sure you can make it if you willing to work hard taking any job like a bus driver, cleaner or working in macdonalds, jobs that white people don't want. They realise just how difficult it was and many sent their daughters back here to find work or send their sons back to do national service just so to get the citizenship, So what was the point to leave in the first place then?
Those that want to go it's up to you, it's your life, it's your choice but if you have the balls to talk big and want to go in the first place please don't ever come back here begging for work when things turn bad for you over there because you will be competiting for the local jobs with the true sons of this country who didn't cut tail and run. -
Too many say many Sg citizens migrated .How many?Pl tell the exact
no. here.How can we discuss without knowing the facts?
We have some 3.1 million citizens,and 300,000 PR,
and some 800,000 non-citizen nor PR,total popualtion 4.2 million.
I read fr ST that for the past few years,the no. is few thousand per year.
Is it many compared with 3.1 million? -
I can't speak for all singaporeans who've migrated to Australia but my personal experience, having lived both in Singapore and Australia, is that the Australians on the whole are definitely not racist people. Of course there'll be the odd case where the singaporean migrant may encounter some of the less educated type but this to me seems to be the exception rather than the norm. At a guess I'd say the singaporean living in australia receives no less hassling than the australian living in singapore.
I seem to remember those old friends and neighbours who left for "greener pastures" in 83 to australia or canada during a bad recession only to realise that the place the went are good only if you are white and I'm not being prejudiced here, and sure you can make it if you willing to work hard taking any job like a bus driver, cleaner or working in macdonalds, jobs that white people don't want. They realise just how difficult it was and many sent their daughters back here to find work or send their sons back to do national service just so to get the citizenship, So what was the point to leave in the first place then? -
Yeah, I'm thinking you might sound like a person who has been there and could not acheive what he wanted, therefore the sourpuss and argy-bargy about this whole issue.Apparently, it really grates on your nerves loads to see others talking about making a life for themselves abroad.Originally posted by KumSioJui:if you are not a defeatist go abroad and get skills that are truly global then whats the point of getting your skills here in a mediocritic country that you find unbearable, aren't you also using singapore as a stepping stone, you have the balls to talk big walk the talk.
We who have moved or will move, do so for many reasons other than mere work.They can be family related reasons, the search for a good place to pursue our interests which we cannot do so here, like hunting, aviation and affordable boating.Some of us move there to get away from the rat race and the lack of real say in our own government/local interest group/council issue.Many reasons exist., and you seem to tell us that it's all a pointless exercise?
Walk the talk eh, sounds like one of the typical refrain you find in our propagandist media thrown to people who have the ability to debate out loud over real, substantial issues.There is a difference between fair discussion and action.You do not criticise the analyst for not being an activist, because he has no need, and not beholden to just anyone to do so either.
Calm down.It works to reduce your blood pressure.
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the first part sounds like salman.Originally posted by lionnoisy:Too many say many Sg citizens migrated .How many?Pl tell the exact
no. here.How can we discuss without knowing the facts?
We have some 3.1 million citizens,and 300,000 PR,
and some 800,000 non-citizen nor PR,total popualtion 4.2 million.
I read fr ST that for the past few years,the no. is few thousand per year.
Is it many compared with 3.1 million?
anyway whatever figures we can get have to be from the immigration authorities. will they tell the truth in the first place? -
With almost all official information on the subject of migration numbers treated as SECRET - under the Official Secrets Act - can Singaporeans have any intelligent discussion on this subject ?
Most discussion is based on keen observation of the superficial changes to the social environment, and from gleaming small information from all UNOFFICIAL SOURCES.
Singaporeans see migration as way out to safeguard livelihood: report (April 4, 2004)
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw04/040404af.htm
Mounting concerns over job security are forcing many Singaporeans to consider migrating abroad, the Sunday Times said.
Australia granted 2656 Singaporeans permanent residency in 2003, up from 2064 in the previous year, and 1786 in the year before.
Canada was the second-most favored with 991 locals taking residency visas, up from 666 in 2001.
Orderly Singapore seeks more heart and soul – (Sept 16, 2002)
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw02/020916re.htm
A survey by pollsters AC Nielsen found that more Singaporeans were considering migrating, with the numbers rising from 14 percent last October (2001) to 21 percent in July (2002).
Two out of 10 Singaporeans in the poll, which surveyed 1000 people, wanted to settle permanently overseas.
The government has been worried for some time that the best and brightest are leaving, including those on expensive scholarships poached by foreign multinationals and universities.
It is also concerned that unlike some other Asian nations whose nationals go abroad and then come back, Singaporeans tend to stay away.
A lot of these people are taking out their wealth and reinvesting it in other countries and making these countries their own and not coming back at all – said one official involved in monitoring the flow of Singaporeans overseas.
Some feel the outflow may have been exacerbated by cracks in the social compact under which citizens trade some freedom for benevolent policies and economic development by the state.
"One of the prerequisite of creativity is freedom. People must feel that they are free to express themselves so long as it's not a malicious kind of expression" architect Richard Ho told Reuters.
The city state of four million people... has been a spectacular example of economic success.
But it is also renowned for social engineering that strongly encourages people to marry, educated couples to have more babies and students to enter key fields.
A long list of rules includes a ban on chewing gum sales and fines for spitting, littering, dancing on bar tops and not flushing public toilets.
Beyond rebuilding the recession-damaged economy, the government is also working on a longer-term issue - - ensuring the young country grows into a cohesive enduring nation.
Growing desire to leave – (April 18, 2004)
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw04/040418st.htm
The brain drain is adding to its crisis of low birth rates and rapid ageing. The gap can be filled by a systematic input of young, qualified foreigners.
As a result, the population has increased – instead of declined – by more than one million since 1990 to reach 4.2 million.
Some 800,000 are foreigners. Roughly one in seven are professionals, businessmen or white-collar workers.
For every ONE Singaporean who leaves, however, some SIX or MORE foreigners become PRs here. The trends are changing the demographic history of the country. -
No actually it doesn't grate on my nerves to see other people having a good life even if it's bettter than mine. It grates on my nerves after they have gone over there they tend to talk bad about the shortcomings to the people who are still here as if to justify whatever reason why they had to go away in the first place and try to influence others to do the same so that if more people see their point of view and also leave it makes them feel good that they got even somehow with the system, f.uck you lah I find that to be most immature and coward thinking. How one improve his/her life anywhere depends on your own attitude with your kind of attitude better you stay there and don't ever come back. Good riddance.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Yeah, I'm thinking you might sound like a person who has been there and could not acheive what he wanted, therefore the sourpuss and argy-bargy about this whole issue.Apparently, it really grates on your nerves loads to see others talking about making a life for themselves abroad.
We who have moved or will move, do so for many reasons other than mere work.They can be family related reasons, the search for a good place to pursue our interests which we cannot do so here, like hunting, aviation and affordable boating.Some of us move there to get away from the rat race and the lack of real say in our own government/local interest group/council issue.Many reasons exist., and you seem to tell us that it's all a pointless exercise?
Walk the talk eh, sounds like one of the typical refrain you find in our propagandist media thrown to people who have the ability to debate out loud over real, substantial issues.There is a difference between fair discussion and action.You do not criticise the analyst for not being an activist, because he has no need, and not beholden to just anyone to do so either.
Calm down.It works to reduce your blood pressure. -
Problems that we faced is nothing new. Since early 1980s, the first batch of sg elites began to move out of the country. As the global economy structure matures, together with the digital age tech revolution, alot of Singaporeans find their personal space for development overseas (some in first world countries like US and UK, while others find it in our neighbouring countries Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand or China / HK / Taiwan).
Why?
Singapore is a small country running very effectively using a set of rules and regulations, together with a lot of top-down "monitoring". This type of typical Sg system thrive in city state like Singapore, it encourages mass consensus over personal innovation.
Hence, alot of younger gen Singaporeans decided to have their own style of living - this is absolutely nothing wrong or shame of. We as human beings need to have our own unique development paths. And in Sg, the paths available for Singaporean seems to be too limited or constraint due to some out-dated social values and contradiction with the conventional Sg model.
When time are good, all the under grad in our university just take up Business studies or Accountacy. When biotech is in the heat, u see all go towards the bio sector. I still have a large pool of friends from Civil Engg were forced to change their job after our property bubble burst in 1999-2000. many are good engineers, some went overseas and found their second spring in China / Vietnam. Those who stayed, are switching to new jobs like finance consultants and insurance agents, tution teachers or school teachers. This add-on to many agonies as they found mismatching expection between their job and their personal goals. As pressure build up, more singaporeans decided to move on to other places for opporunities. -
Is there anything wrong with converting others to their cause.Frankly, they could have just shut up, but it's only human to share what you have learnt.Originally posted by KumSioJui:No actually it doesn't grate on my nerves to see other people having a good life even if it's bettter than mine. It grates on my nerves after they have gone over there they tend to talk bad about the shortcomings to the people who are still here as if to justify whatever reason why they had to go away in the first place and try to influence others to do the same so that if more people see their point of view and also leave it makes them feel good that they got even somehow with the system, f.uck you lah I find that to be most immature and coward thinking. How one improve his/her life anywhere depends on your own attitude with your kind of attitude better you stay there and don't ever come back. Good riddance.
You don't want to leave this place, you can choose not to listen.Don't wag your finger at those who have left and wish to enlighten some of those who are still in the dark about opportunities abroad.How much of the world have you really seen?No offence, but many Singaporeans have not seen much of the world and yet they think that our fair little island is the crown jewel of the world, because they have been exposed to only one point of view.
Cheers.It's your life anyway. -
u look at the govt. then worse, u look at people like salman who seems to think the govt can do no wrong, when they are basically denying people their right to be a living, breathing individual and be manufactured cogs in a machine. u look at the way singaporans slag off, abuse or neglect sg-born talents. no wonder people want to leave.Originally posted by gill_hfc:Salman and the other writer are missing the point in my thread....this so called 'Part Time Singaporeans' are using us to move on further.....If one migrates to Australia, chances are one will settle down in Australia for good....in the case of Singapore I think alot of these people from third world countries use us to get a Singapore passport and then move on to other developed countries....this new 'Part Time Singaporeans' have no loyalty or intentions of staying here forever.....like the case of the guy i met in London he used a Singapore passport, achieved through his citizenship, to apply to migrate to London...he never had any intentions of staying in singapore forever... -
it's sad that to maintain a real native Singaporean identity, we have to be abroad.Do you think our own little culture will survive the influx of foreigners who use us as a stepping stone, and refuse to integrate fully?Originally posted by HENG@:u look at the govt. then worse, u look at people like salman who seems to think the govt can do no wrong, when they are basically denying people their right to be a living, breathing individual and be manufactured cogs in a machine. u look at the way singaporans slag off, abuse or neglect sg-born talents. no wonder people want to leave.
well, HENG@, you might have made a good choice to stay in the Isles. -
if i ever migrate away from Singapore, it will be because of the fact that more and more foreigners are setting up homes here in Singapore, and taking away our jobs, our flats, our women. And the fact that I felt sometimes like an second rate citizen in my own country, given the fact that the service industry tends to treat ang mohs better than their own countrymen convince me that maybe its time to move on overseas
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honestly, the way it is going now, i might not want to keep the Singaporean identity either. I mean, im already telling people now, that im a Londoner, just that I also tell them where I was born.Originally posted by LazerLordz:it's sad that to maintain a real native Singaporean identity, we have to be abroad.Do you think our own little culture will survive the influx of foreigners who use us as a stepping stone, and refuse to integrate fully?
well, HENG@, you might have made a good choice to stay in the Isles. -
I'm not wagging my finger at those who have left, I'm wagging my finger at people like you who have left and trying to be funny to use other people to get even with our system. As for seeing much of the world I won't say I have seen everything but I think I have been to more places than most here and I don't think you have seen very much of it yourself either so pls don't talk big.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Is there anything wrong with converting others to their cause.Frankly, they could have just shut up, but it's only human to share what you have learnt.
You don't want to leave this place, you can choose not to listen.Don't wag your finger at those who have left and wish to enlighten some of those who are still in the dark about opportunities abroad.How much of the world have you really seen?No offence, but many Singaporeans have not seen much of the world and yet they think that our fair little island is the crown jewel of the world, because they have been exposed to only one point of view.
Cheers.It's your life anyway.
Please don't try to make it sound like opportunities abroad are a sure thing, don't they have their own locals who are also qualified? Firstly being a migrant you come in what do you have in common with them, you can't understand their white jokes, you dunno their sports, their politics and you don't even talk like them so why should they hire you? Because you have a NUS degree?
As for "our fair little island" you and the rest of your kind who have left or are leaving are not considered part of "our" anymore you are a foreigner here or soon to be one and maybe even a second class citizen in your new country. Shouldn't you be joining australian or canadian online forum instead? Why you still so keen in singapore politics or singaporean things since you hate your kind here so much. Oh I see you can't understand their politics even while you are there and probably they don't invite you to their weekend BBQ or drinks after work so you're bored or maybe in your job you have kiss @ss or suck up to your white colleagues or employers everyday so at night you come here to brag abt the great opportunities to be had over there to try to con gullible people to go over and join you so that after a while there will be a flourishing "ex-singaporean" community over there so at least your weekends in future won't be so boring huh? Have a great life. -
Originally posted by KumSioJui:I'm not wagging my finger at those who have left, I'm wagging my finger at people like you who have left and trying to be funny to use other people to get even with our system. As for seeing much of the world I won't say I have seen everything but I think I have been to more places than most here and I don't think you have seen very much of it yourself either so pls don't talk big.
Please don't try to make it sound like opportunities abroad are a sure thing, don't they have their own locals who are also qualified? Firstly being a migrant you come in what do you have in common with them, you can't understand their white jokes, you dunno their sports, their politics and you don't even talk like them so why should they hire you? Because you have a NUS degree?
As for "our fair little island" you and the rest of your kind who have left or are leaving are not considered part of "our" anymore you are a foreigner here or soon to be one and maybe even a second class citizen in your new country. Shouldn't you be joining australian or canadian online forum instead? Why you still so keen in singapore politics or singaporean things since you hate your kind here so much. Oh I see you can't understand their politics even while you are there and probably they don't invite you to their weekend BBQ or drinks after work so you're bored or maybe in your job you have kiss @ss or suck up to your white colleagues or employers everyday so at night you come here to brag abt the great opportunities to be had over there to try to con gullible people to go over and join you so that after a while there will be a flourishing "ex-singaporean" community over there so at least your weekends in future won't be so boring huh? Have a great life. You actually think I stay in Australia. Goodness me..
Oh, anyway, it doesn't mean you have to be a Caucasian to fully immerse and appreciate and live in other cultures.All it takes is some study in anthropology, cultural communications, and a dash of semiotics.
If you wish to condemn those who have left, and spit on them, it only shows how insecure you are.Does it make you happy at night to have scolded a emigrant?Is that the way you assuage your subconscious?Your posts have only served to inflame me and a few silent individuals here, and I do not want to go on and be a dickhead, so here's to your beliefs and I sincerely wish you the best in whatever you do because you need it.
Cheers.This will be my last reply to you.Believe it if you wish to, or not. -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:
We who have moved or will move, do so for many reasons other than mere work.They can be family related reasons, the search for a good place to pursue our interests which we cannot do so here, like hunting, aviation and affordable boating.Some of us move there to get away from the rat race and the lack of real say in our own government/local interest group/council issue.Many reasons exist., and you seem to tell us that it's all a pointless exercise? -
Originally posted by KumSioJui:
As for "our fair little island" you and the rest of your kind who have left or are leaving -
goodbyeOriginally posted by LazerLordz: You actually think I stay in Australia. Goodness me..
Oh, anyway, it doesn't mean you have to be a Caucasian to fully immerse and appreciate and live in other cultures.All it takes is some study in anthropology, cultural communications, and a dash of semiotics.
If you wish to condemn those who have left, and spit on them, it only shows how insecure you are.Does it make you happy at night to have scolded a emigrant?Is that the way you assuage your subconscious?Your posts have only served to inflame me and a few silent individuals here, and I do not want to go on and be a dickhead, so here's to your beliefs and I sincerely wish you the best in whatever you do because you need it.
Cheers.This will be my last reply to you.Believe it if you wish to, or not. -
everyone has their favourate place. but if you have never been to overseas, surely you will find your born place is the best, until one day you find some place better or more suitable for you than it .
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My family and I are now in China, as I've found a job there. I have never thought of changing my citizenship (not that China has such a policy, but they do have a PR policy), so I suppose I did not "migrate".
Being here for 2 years has given me much thoughts. As a "foreign talent" here, the locals do give me somewhat more respect than back in Singapore, and my bilingual abilities are very much appreciated here as well.
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leave means not part of sg anymore meh? i think the stayers should be the people who still have an active interest in singapore society, whether they are physically there or not. the REAL QUITTERS are the ones who just bo chup whether the system is turning into cow dung or not.Originally posted by KumSioJui:I'm not wagging my finger at those who have left, I'm wagging my finger at people like you who have left and trying to be funny to use other people to get even with our system. As for seeing much of the world I won't say I have seen everything but I think I have been to more places than most here and I don't think you have seen very much of it yourself either so pls don't talk big.
Please don't try to make it sound like opportunities abroad are a sure thing, don't they have their own locals who are also qualified? Firstly being a migrant you come in what do you have in common with them, you can't understand their white jokes, you dunno their sports, their politics and you don't even talk like them so why should they hire you? Because you have a NUS degree?
As for "our fair little island" you and the rest of your kind who have left or are leaving are not considered part of "our" anymore you are a foreigner here or soon to be one and maybe even a second class citizen in your new country. Shouldn't you be joining australian or canadian online forum instead? Why you still so keen in singapore politics or singaporean things since you hate your kind here so much. Oh I see you can't understand their politics even while you are there and probably they don't invite you to their weekend BBQ or drinks after work so you're bored or maybe in your job you have kiss @ss or suck up to your white colleagues or employers everyday so at night you come here to brag abt the great opportunities to be had over there to try to con gullible people to go over and join you so that after a while there will be a flourishing "ex-singaporean" community over there so at least your weekends in future won't be so boring huh? Have a great life.
u think we're trying to get even with the F-ed up system? what do we get from that? we're just trying to improve the system, so that people would not have to suffer what we suffered. u want to look down on people who moved away, thats your call. Nobody can stop u from being the brainwashed product the PAP wants u to be. But before u want to come onto us n call us quitters and say things like "you and the rest of your kind who have left or are leaving are not considered part of "our" anymore you are a foreigner here or soon to be one and maybe even a second class citizen in your new country." u better think twice. U might have seen more physically, but your mind never really left the bloody well.
Its always the frogs in the wells who sound the most indignant and smug about their wells.