Singaporeans want George Yeo as Prime Minister.
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Before Khaw even became a Minister, there was already the NKF.Originally posted by anonymouscoward:Khaw?? He the reason why we have a NKF saga in the first place. Looking at the way he defended Durai and then acted and replied defensively (like a Malaysian minister) during the press, not even fit to be a Minister!
NKF has been with us for at least THIRTY YEARS !!!
Ruling Party has been with us for at least FORTY YEARS !!!!
Durai had ten years to learn all the arrogant and confrontational approach from the Ruling Party, and use similar strategy towards all those who dare to query and check the every move and decisions of the NKF.
Khaw came into the limelight less then five years as a Minister, and had to clear up the mess made by NKF.
Perhaps with this experience he will be in a better position to sweep up the mess in his Ruling Party - especially to implement more transparency in the GIC and Temasek operations. -
Yes, I've intentionally left out his admission but that is because it was expected of him. After so much revelation, I would be utterly disgusted if he would still insist he has no fault!Originally posted by BillyBong:As you evidently failed to acknowledge, he personally admitted to being 'silly' for blindly defending Durai and the NKF in the first place and was partially critical of his own MOH for failing to pre-empt the flaws of the NKF system despite numerous opportunities and the whistle-blowing of Archie Ong, Piragasum Singavelu and Tan Kiat Noi (all were sued and setted payments).
For a minister to admit to certain failings within his own ministery, this is already a milestone from the previously 'infallible' mentality of the Ruling party.
Admitting to his mistake doesn't make him a cut above the rest. As a matter of fact, we should not expect anything less from any Minister. However, it is unfortunately that most of our Ministers lack responsibility, ownership and the courage to step down for their failure.
Blaming PWC (althought they should take part of the blame) and speaking in a defensive tone is unbecoming for a man of his stature. Like many of his colleague, I find that our Minister lack the ability to carry themselves properly in public. Repeatingly, our Ministers have shown a lack of class and preparation when asking the public; speaking defensively and giving stupid analogy. -
How long NKF and the ruling party has been with us is of no relevance!!Originally posted by Atobe:Before Khaw even became a Minister, there was already the NKF.
NKF has been with us for at least THIRTY YEARS !!!
Ruling Party has been with us for at least FORTY YEARS !!!!
Durai had ten years to learn all the arrogant and confrontational approach from the Ruling Party, and use similar strategy towards all those who dare to query and check the every move and decisions of the NKF.
Khaw came into the limelight less then five years as a Minister, and had to clear up the mess made by NKF.
Perhaps with this experience he will be in a better position to sweep up the mess in his Ruling Party - especially to implement more transparency in the GIC and Temasek operations.
Durai did not abuse his authorities until a few years ago. Khaw was already the health minister when warning signs first appeared!
The fact remains that it was under his watch and he turned a blind eye. -
As was revealed in the article, the 3 whistle-blowers, Durai, Ong Su Ying and Matilda Chua etc etc have been abusing and mismanaging NKF funds and promoting cronism for longer than a 'few years'.Originally posted by anonymouscoward:How long NKF and the ruling party has been with us is of no relevance!!
Durai did not abuse his authorities until a few years ago. Khaw was already the health minister when warning signs first appeared!
The fact remains that it was under his watch and he turned a blind eye.
Well-entrenched in their lofty perch and using the same 'skills' practiced by the Ruling party, their two-pronged approach of suing potential dissenters and promoting NKF as THE reputable charity origanisation worked to perfection.
Their positions was further strengthened when the NKF won all 3 defamation suits, prompting the general public to be deceived that these whistle-blowers were mere disgruntled ex-employees with a bone to pick.
Who in his right mind would not have realised that Libel Laws have a greater propensity to protect the rich and wealthy, skewing the truth so long as high-profile lawyers are engaged to both intimidate and distort? That the preceived transparent-running of the NKF was the greatest sham propagated in the history of SG?
Khaw Boon Wan had argubly bits and shreds of unsubstantiated info, difficult to assess and impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Most were word of mouth. Anyone would have made the same mistake in his position.
That he admits these mistakes unreservedly and promises changes is candid and down-to-earth. -
Granted that 'admitting' to mistakes may have been the 'only way out' as you have suggested. However, we cannot presume our ministers to be 'infallible'. Else we play right into the hands of the 'infallible' mentality of the Ruling Party.Originally posted by anonymouscoward:Yes, I've intentionally left out his admission but that is because it was expected of him. After so much revelation, I would be utterly disgusted if he would still insist he has no fault!
Admitting to his mistake doesn't make him a cut above the rest. As a matter of fact, we should not expect anything less from any Minister. However, it is unfortunately that most of our Ministers lack responsibility, ownership and the courage to step down for their failure.
Blaming PWC (althought they should take part of the blame) and speaking in a defensive tone is unbecoming for a man of his stature. Like many of his colleague, I find that our Minister lack the ability to carry themselves properly in public. Repeatingly, our Ministers have shown a lack of class and preparation when asking the public; speaking defensively and giving stupid analogy.
A minister should be gauged by how he responds and reacts to mistakes made; everyone falls down, its how they pick themselves up.
Khaw Boon Wan managed the health ministry at the height of SARS, an unenviable position in most eyes. Now he is indirectly responsible to clean up the mess of NKF.
Shouldn't he or anyone be prepared when faced by a hungry media clamouring for attention and juicy tales? Shoudn't he have a right to be correctly positioned before presenting himself? Is it considered 'stupid' for a minister to assign appropriate blame to relevant parties rather than 'stupidly' absording all the blame?
Isn't it a measure of 'class' and basic etiquette that our ministers speak well at press conferences with measured words rather than emotional tandrums? -
yeah i think khaw's all right ... my doctor brother says he is very well respected amongst medical professionals, that he understands how the industry ticks and the problems it faces.Originally posted by BillyBong:Granted that 'admitting' to mistakes may have been the 'only way out' as you have suggested. However, we cannot presume our ministers to be 'infallible'. Else we play right into the hands of the 'infallible' mentality of the Ruling Party.
A minister should be gauged by how he responds and reacts to mistakes made; everyone falls down, its how they pick themselves up.
Khaw Boon Wan managed the health ministry at the height of SARS, an unenviable position in most eyes. Now he is indirectly responsible to clean up the mess of NKF.
Shouldn't he or anyone be prepared when faced by a hungry media clamouring for attention and juicy tales? Shoudn't he have a right to be correctly positioned before presenting himself? Is it considered 'stupid' for a minister to assign appropriate blame to relevant parties rather than 'stupidly' absording all the blame?
Isn't it a measure of 'class' and basic etiquette that our ministers speak well at press conferences with measured words rather than emotional tandrums? -
Reminds me of the time Environment minister Lim Swee Say took responsibility for the NEA scientist coming down with Sars despite the chief of the NEA lab denying that there safety measures at his workplace were lacking.Originally posted by BillyBong:As you evidently failed to acknowledge, he personally admitted to being 'silly' for blindly defending Durai and the NKF in the first place and was partially critical of his own MOH for failing to pre-empt the flaws of the NKF system despite numerous opportunities and the whistle-blowing of Archie Ong, Piragasum Singavelu and Tan Kiat Noi (all were sued and setted payments).
For a minister to admit to certain failings within his own ministery, this is already a milestone from the previously 'infallible' mentality of the Ruling party. -
Khaw Boon Wan has screwed up the health system. Its sometimes more expensive to purchase medicines from the poly clinics than from the govt hospitals as a subsidised patient. He has inceased the burden for the poor without any regards even getting your blood tested in the polys can be more expensive than as a subsidised patient in the govt hospitals.
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George Yeo has screwed up our racial mindsets. S Rajaratam did a fine job of getting all the races to stand as one people but George sort of back tracked and created the mess we are seeing today. Malays are grouping among themselves more today, the same with the Chinese and so with the Indians. Very few are mixing among the other races all thanks to George Yeo and some of his party fellows!
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The govt's typical method of assigning blame is to find the most inconvenient target and hang him as the scapegoat.Originally posted by claudetnt:Khaw Boon Wan has screwed up the health system. Its sometimes more expensive to purchase medicines from the poly clinics than from the govt hospitals as a subsidised patient. He has inceased the burden for the poor without any regards even getting your blood tested in the polys can be more expensive than as a subsidised patient in the govt hospitals.
Could your labelling of Khaw Boon Wan as the sole responsible party for the 'screw-up' of the health scene be any different?
While medical cost has on the whole increased by a possible 0.5% Khaw has at least addressed the issue. He re-instigated the Medisave and medishield CPF policies and lobbied for a greater percentile to be channelled from the ordinary acc. He has placed, on priority, more health schemes and payment terms to be tied to medisave accs, ensuring affordable costs for generic treatments and easing the burden on the older generation.
Contrary to your beliefs, polyclinic costs are still rated at very affordable prices for the general public. A general checkup for generic illnesses like fever or cough amounts to under $15/-. Again, if you have special requests for specific medication, then prices will rise accordingly. A standard blood test performed at a private institution will cost at least $10/- more than a polyclinic.
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Billy Bong:
"---Could your labelling of Khaw Boon Wan as the sole responsible party for the 'screw-up' of the health scene be any different?---"
Please do check up for your self the rates at the polys. i had experienced it for myself and so had another person who wrote to ST forum page just last week complaining about the rate charged at the poly vs a govt hospital is his case it was more than 4 times for some medications. Todate no response from MOH to his claims but it will be interesting to note their excuse!
In my case it was for mediaction and it could have been cheaper if i had purchased it from TTS hospital.
your response is typical as that of the govt - compare with the private sector but why should we?
The polys are meant to provide a cheaper alternative than the govt and private health services but the polys are deviating and seems to going into the business of making money and its happening now when Khaw is in charge so he has to take the balme, surely! -
the US of A is too huge and racism varies in degree from region to region..in large, cosmopolitan areas such as new york city or the major californian cities where people of different colours are about as common as sunshine you seldom experience racism..as for more remote or rather...places which recieve less migrants then thats a different case but again i've never been to places like arizona or red-neck hotspots so cant comment on that.Originally posted by Salman:Thats because US is extremely multi racial whereas we are not.
USA is definitely more racist country.
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George Yeo hmmm
Let us see what he has done for his ward
But he also not bad
If he become the next PM, Aljunied GRC will become like AMK or MP one
It would be a big pressure on HG SMC(WP) then -
oh pls...Originally posted by spencer99:I prefer Teo Chee Hean as PM rather then George Yeo. TCH got more charisma.
we dun need another teo dynasty in govt...
ever wonder why ns got cut to 2 yrs?
coz someone's son is in ns now... if wan to cut ns duration...
why dun wan wait until his son finish ns then cut???
ever watch movies at the firing range???
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Thankfully, i am not a regular at a polyclinic since the first rule is never get sick!Originally posted by claudetnt:Billy Bong:
"---Could your labelling of Khaw Boon Wan as the sole responsible party for the 'screw-up' of the health scene be any different?---"
Please do check up for your self the rates at the polys. i had experienced it for myself and so had another person who wrote to ST forum page just last week complaining about the rate charged at the poly vs a govt hospital is his case it was more than 4 times for some medications. Todate no response from MOH to his claims but it will be interesting to note their excuse!
In my case it was for mediaction and it could have been cheaper if i had purchased it from TTS hospital.
your response is typical as that of the govt - compare with the private sector but why should we?
The polys are meant to provide a cheaper alternative than the govt and private health services but the polys are deviating and seems to going into the business of making money and its happening now when Khaw is in charge so he has to take the balme, surely!
My rates i provided are based on the few times last year (once in Apr 05, another in Jun 05) when i visited AMK Polyclinic for Fever and Cough respectively.
The prices i quoted you are based on the cost i paid for consultation and medication. Consultation came to 6 bucks (or was it 8?) and the medication a further 6~8 bucks. All in all, well below 20 bucks and i actually requested for a senior doc (the junior ones are quite inexperienced) and stronger medication (i.e. antibiotics against the doc's recommendation of cough mixture)
If you have different rates and have compared them against TTS, perhaps you could share them? It is surprising if the rates vastly differ. -
Folks, choose Teo Chee Hean lah. I heard from an ex-army high ranker that TCH is analytical and friendly.
choose yellow ones better as the old sayings say that the yellow ones belong to the 'dragon' descendants
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as long as it is not george yeo and yao zhao dong.
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By "stingy", I suppose what you meant was "overly hard-nosed" or "overly calculative and only take and not give" or shyster-like who will squeeze and suck as much as he can.Originally posted by dreamykite:Folks, choose Teo Chee Hean lah. I heard from an ex-army high ranker that TCH is analytical and friendly.
Be wise in our decision, we mustn't choose the stingy ones else will lead to a downfall. You know I know who are the stingy ones....
choose yellow ones better as the old sayings say that the yellow ones belong to the 'dragon' descendants -
Just look at the classifieds in Singapore...
Just look at the affrimative programs in schools, work places and media.
You call that equality? -
u try calling a negro "negro" see wat happen to uOriginally posted by Salman:Here teh definition from dictionary.com
1. A Black person. See Usage Note at black.
2. A member of the Negroid race. Not in scientific use.
You see, 'negro' is not a racist term.
I think your vocab is just not good. You need to read the dictionary more. -
Just because it's a technical term, does not make it culturally acceptable.You must be the type that would have failed Cultural Studies and Postcoloniality.Originally posted by RaTtY81:u try calling a negro "negro" see wat happen to u -
my fren call a black negro n tat guy got offended by his comments.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Just because it's a technical term, does not make it culturally acceptable.You must be the type that would have failed Cultural Studies and Postcoloniality. -
Billy Bong:
"---If you have different rates and have compared them against TTS, perhaps you could share them? It is surprising if the rates vastly differ.---"
You're just lucky. i like to comply to your request but will not cos i had writen to khaw and am yet to receive a response. If you like you can refer to mr. Ngoh Tee Seah's letter to the ST forum on 4/1/2006 (which i mentioned in my earlier note) who had also complained about the exorbitant rates he was charged at the poly and the response from MOH, refer ST forum 13/1/2006, page h26). As usual they had not directly answered his charges but will skirt the issue! -
definitely not tharman...he is messing up the education with his ever-so-frequent changes...u dun want ur NS term to reduce to 1.5 yrs then within 2 mths change to 2.5 yrs back...Originally posted by iveco:George Yeo? Not another SAF scholar like LHL.
I prefer the current Education Minister for PM. Who says Indians can't take over the top post? -
In fact,I don't see any PM material in the Cabinet.Originally posted by chunyong:definitely not tharman...he is messing up the education with his ever-so-frequent changes...u dun want ur NS term to reduce to 1.5 yrs then within 2 mths change to 2.5 yrs back...
If I had to name a competent leader, it would be Kishore Mahbubani.As Singapore's Representative to the UN, he served as President of the Security Council twice.