The Future of Taiwan
-
the answer is easy. singapore is a traditional ally of taiwan.Originally posted by LazerLordz:They want to keep the status quo.Do you see them clamouring to return to China either?
Taiwan is the only other Chinese majority republic with a representative democracy.It's not something to be sneezed at.
I'm curious about one thing, how do the politicians in China view Singapore?By forgetting that we are a multi-racial nation and thinking we are Chinese by thought and attitudes?If that is so, they can jolly well forget about influencing our attitudes.
-
No...we "bo chap"
-
Better still, why not reverse it.Originally posted by lovespecter:ask you guys, if Shanghai wants to be independent from China. what do you think?
What IF Hawaii wants to be independent from The US. What do you think ? Not so pleasent, if the situation is reverved ...Ehhh
Then, How about China drafting a Hawaii Relation Act, Then.
Or China placing a Military Base in Cuba ... hoe the sound of that....
If history is any indication, I think I know how the US will likely react.
I do not wish any conflict to arise between Taiwan/China. But in my opinion, even if, China were to give OF to Taiwan Independence. There will not be any peace in the straits. Why the US.... that's why. Look at it this way, look at how the US is playing the global game, the control of shipping choke points, location of Guam, the disregards of UN, the leaning of UN when it suits them and now, with Taiwan free. China is as good as being checked mate.. How to have peace ?
Honestly, with all the missery the US have done to third world countries and asian for the past 50 years, manupilating politic scenes, assassinations, regime changes, CIA death squads, questionable bombings and meddling. I do not wish any US military presence in SEA, who knows what situation they will manufacture. I do not mind another super-power to counter weight them. -
Politically, taiwanese wants status quo. Economically, taiwanese and mainland chinese are very much together.Originally posted by LazerLordz:They want to keep the status quo.Do you see them clamouring to return to China either?
Taiwan is the only other Chinese majority republic with a representative democracy.It's not something to be sneezed at.
I'm curious about one thing, how do the politicians in China view Singapore?By forgetting that we are a multi-racial nation and thinking we are Chinese by thought and attitudes?If that is so, they can jolly well forget about influencing our attitudes.
Politicians in China view Singaporeans as overseas Chinese from an independent country, just like the ABC in america. Their interest is in how chinese singaporean could succeed, especially in a predominantly chinese society. The fact is that they have actually learned from us. So we influence them, not the other way round. They are not interested in other races in singapore, for there are successful indians, malays, caucasians all over the world.
Most chinese on the streets are interested in how "chinese" are those who call themselves chinese. They meet overseas chinese from all over the world, comparisons are made. It is not the politics, not the nationality they are interested. Why do you call yourself chinese? -
jing yao tai wan bu zhang cao
ye yao tong yi tai wan dao -
Originally posted by shenjingbing:
what talking you??
jing yao tai wan bu zhang cao
ye yao tong yi tai wan dao [b][/b] -
Originally posted by shenjingbing:
can u tell us what sound are all these to be pronounced?
jing yao tai wan bu zhang cao
ye yao tong yi tai wan dao [b][/b]
eg. the phrase, "bu4 zhi1 suo3 yun2"
when u mark the hanyu pinyin in this manner it is easier to read.
thanks to the Chinese High teachers who invented this method. Very practical.
-
I agree to a certain extent.Originally posted by MobyDog:Better still, why not reverse it.
What IF Hawaii wants to be independent from The US. What do you think ? Not so pleasent, if the situation is reverved ...Ehhh
Then, How about China drafting a Hawaii Relation Act, Then.
Or China placing a Military Base in Cuba ... hoe the sound of that....
If history is any indication, I think I know how the US will likely react.
I do not wish any conflict to arise between Taiwan/China. But in my opinion, even if, China were to give OF to Taiwan Independence. There will not be any peace in the straits. Why the US.... that's why. Look at it this way, look at how the US is playing the global game, the control of shipping choke points, location of Guam, the disregards of UN, the leaning of UN when it suits them and now, with Taiwan free. China is as good as being checked mate.. How to have peace ?
Honestly, with all the missery the US have done to third world countries and asian for the past 50 years, manupilating politic scenes, assassinations, regime changes, CIA death squads, questionable bombings and meddling. I do not wish any US military presence in SEA, who knows what situation they will manufacture. I do not mind another super-power to counter weight them.
The USA is so kepoh...arrrrgh -
Well, I call myself a Singaporean Straits Chinese.Note that my country and her culture comes before my ethnic bloodline, which reflects the mix of my Peranakan and Chinese heritage, which explains how I think, the customs I practice, and the way of life my ancestors have lived, and our global nature, which will explain how my descendants will grow up in..That is who I am.If they can respect who I am, then it will be so much easier to respect them for their own individuality.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Politically, taiwanese wants status quo. Economically, taiwanese and mainland chinese are very much together.
Politicians in China view Singaporeans as overseas Chinese from an independent country, just like the ABC in america. Their interest is in how chinese singaporean could succeed, especially in a predominantly chinese society. The fact is that they have actually learned from us. So we influence them, not the other way round. They are not interested in other races in singapore, for there are successful indians, malays, caucasians all over the world.
Most chinese on the streets are interested in how "chinese" are those who call themselves chinese. They meet overseas chinese from all over the world, comparisons are made. It is not the politics, not the nationality they are interested. Why do you call yourself chinese?
Engagement is better than conflict anytime, but it does not mean we should be apologetics for those few who attempt to paint us as a people not worthy of their interaction, just because they happen to share the same bloodline.I'll not go further, lest I stir up more grief and irritation. -
Singapore is just playing a strategy game
Balancing here and there -
I wonder why Ah Bian is still the President of Taiwan
He adds more fire to the oil
When he speaks, never think at all and just blurted it out
I hope KMT will rise again -
NING 4 YAO 1 TAIWAN BU 4 ZHANG 2 CAO 3
YE 3 YAO 4 TONG 3 YI 1 TAIWAN DAO
-
i agree to a certain extent.Originally posted by gorby107:I wonder why Ah Bian is still the President of Taiwan
He adds more fire to the oil
When he speaks, never think at all and just blurted it out
I hope KMT will rise again
KMT should rise. -
Originally posted by shenjingbing:
YES!!!
[b]NING 4 YAO 1 TAIWAN BU 4 ZHANG 2 CAO 3
YE 3 YAO 4 TONG 3 YI 1 TAIWAN DAO [/b] -
Originally posted by huaqing:YES!!!
there's a difference between deploying overwhelming firepower in defense of a helpless state and the reckless invasion of one.
perhaps you're still too young to understand realpolitik. -
We have no control and no say over Taiwan's future. The issue is between China and Taiwan. We, Singaporean do not like to interfere with China Business. Pls. do not brought your China topic and non-of-our concern topic to stir up the emotion.
It ll be good if Taiwan can remain as it is, having its own characters. I have a few Taiwanese friends who are very friendly to me, I wouldn't like to see them suffer. -
buddy, politics is irrelevant with individual. see hongkong, people living there is still the same as before. no more happiness(I think so), nor more sadnessOriginally posted by dreamykite:We have no control and no say over Taiwan's future. The issue is between China and Taiwan. We, Singaporean do not like to interfere with China Business. Pls. do not brought your China topic and non-of-our concern topic to stir up the emotion.
It ll be good if Taiwan can remain as it is, having its own characters. I have a few Taiwanese friends who are very friendly to me, I wouldn't like to see them suffer. -
As a people, history has shown that China has been quite divided. Taiwan claims to be different from China even though it was historically a province of China but this divisiveness is to be expected. Singaporeans too are even more divided because the the ruling elites have over-emphasised on leades' elitism and somewhat neglected in developing social and cultural togetherness and mutual trusts, sharing of suffering and prosperity among different ability groups within the society over the years. Singapore leades have no moral authority over the people on the issue of China and Taiwan as it is basically an issue to be determined by cultural affinity, unity and sharing of common goals etc among the people.
It is only when people are united as one that there will arise greater appreciation the importance of building a country and society. But there wasn't such any attempts in building up cultural, social and national affinities among the people so it is difficult to try to survive and grow as one people.
Singapore require great leaders to build a strong bond among the different strata of the people. -
for a rough insight read stuff by one of LKY's fav authors: niccolo machiavelli.
-
i read in the news that USA's backing taiwan...Originally posted by huaqing:why do u think USA will be so kepoh to defend Taiwan? -
Originally posted by shenjingbing:
ben shi tong gen sheng ,xiang jian he tai ji
[b]NING 4 YAO 1 TAIWAN BU 4 ZHANG 2 CAO 3
YE 3 YAO 4 TONG 3 YI 1 TAIWAN DAO [/b]
xiong1 di4 nei4 hong4, diu1 ren2!
-
Taiwan in heavy loan from US, if taiwan return to china, you think china aka taiwan daddy happy to food the bill?
remember chiang kai si time taiwan printed US dollar money? so as to say some us dollar note floating in market are printed from Taiwan?
US also would not allow taiwan independent, without making sure the next country taking the IOU tag with TAIWAN.
Taiwan should try hard to make as much story as possible so as to shift attention.
why our PM travel to taiwan B4 his sitting?
what other kind of publicity the whole world would talk about?
our PM also know how to make FOC pubilcity!Originally posted by lovespecter:do not worry , the war will never happen. the fuse of war is offcially claim of independence. now it is the most chance for taiwan to claim independence but they don't and is not going to either. as mainland becomes more powerful, the chance for taiwain to claim independence is even lower. that is why I said the war will never take place. the statue quo will keep on for a long time,until one day china is more powerful than US and Janpan. at that time, china will reedit the "anti-recession law", use Taiwan as an good excuse to claim war with Janpan and US. at last china will weaken Jananese militarial power and drive US militarial power from Asia -
Originally posted by shenjingbing:
NING 4 YAO 1 TAIWAN BU 4 ZHANG 2 CAO 3
YE 3 YAO 4 TONG 3 YI 1 TAIWAN DAO
Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted EvilOriginally posted by huaqing:
The above words are just so evil.
[b]
YES!!!
-
wah trying to use Malay eh? realpolitik? real politics si boh?Originally posted by LazerLordz: there's a difference between deploying overwhelming firepower in defense of a helpless state and the reckless invasion of one.
perhaps you're still too young to understand realpolitik. -
Yes!!Originally posted by dreamykite:Originally posted by shenjingbing:
[b]NING 4 YAO 1 TAIWAN BU 4 ZHANG 2 CAO 3
YE 3 YAO 4 TONG 3 YI 1 TAIWAN DAO
Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
The above words are just so evil.