The Future of Taiwan
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Taiwan is falling.News on 14.01.2006.
Credit card thief cheated NT$2 billion,but fined less than NT$450,000
This group obtained technology fr Malaysia to intercept credit card code fr
fixed phone line.Then they sell the data to down stream bad guys.
2.Taipei city have to
cut off water and electricity to stop an illegal transport co. operates in passenger terminal
Read Taiwan news day by day and u will understand Taiwan---the democratic
society!!Full of abductions,thugs,guns,crimnial--turns--MP, -
Realpolitik is not a malay word.Try reading some Noam Chomsky before you want to play in the major leagues of political terms.Originally posted by huaqing:wah trying to use Malay eh? realpolitik? real politics si boh?
Realpolitik - politics based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations
practical politics. -
i am referring to the part "politik".Originally posted by LazerLordz:Realpolitik is not a malay word.Try reading some Noam Chomsky before you want to play in the major leagues of political terms.
Realpolitik - politics based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations
practical politics. -
It was Lee Teng Hui who made this situation in Taiwan for today
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Taiwan is culturally and historically so different from China.
I think they should decide their own destiny for themselves.
I say let the Taiwanese decide for themselves whether they like to join China.
China should respect the will of the Taiwanese people and stop war mongering. -
i agree to a certain extent.Originally posted by gorby107:It was Lee Teng Hui who made this situation in Taiwan for today
The Japanese occupation and militarism are partly responsible too. -
So you want to reach back and uproot everything is that it?Originally posted by huaqing:i agree to a certain extent.
The Japanese occupation and militarism are partly responsible too.
Just move on and move forward.Treat Taiwan as an equal, and perhaps they might accept being in a confederation. -
You have no understanding of Chinese history or culture. Taiwan has been and will always be part of China, whether it be the Republic of China or the People's Republic of China is a separate issue.Originally posted by Salman:Taiwan is culturally and historically so different from China.
I think they should decide their own destiny for themselves.
I say let the Taiwanese decide for themselves whether they like to join China.
China should respect the will of the Taiwanese people and stop war mongering. -
Hmmmmm .....
The last time the political science department of my uni organized a forum on this issue, a fight nearly broke out between the Chinese and Taiwanese students in the auditorium. I must say, PR-wise, at the grass-root level, Taiwan is winning, despite whatever tactics China uses to curb the International space of the Taiwanese, lots of goverments, infact, most goverments around the world recognizes China, and Taiwan as part of China officially, but I have the sense that at the grass-roots level, especially in the west, most people are sympathetic to the Taiwanese cause. (Rabid, chest-thumping nationalist rhectoric doesn't help things either, I was so embaressed at the forum I left before it was over, I thought I'd go to a forum where participants from both sides can air their views frankly and openly, not shouted things like "Taiwan belongs to us ! " )
to put things in a non-normative light, while all the Chinese students I know over here, down to a man, believe that Taiwan belongs to China, and belive that the use of force to recover Taiwan is justified as well, Most Taiwanese also believe that Taiwan has already been a de facto independent state for a very very long time. You got to remember that unlike the kuomintang old guards that went into exile from the mainland in 49' new generation of Taiwanese, born and bred on the island, don't harbour the kind of warm fuzzy kinship that the older generation of kuomintang leaders have (Chen Shui bian is a good example of this). And I can tell you this, the cultural affinity is also skin-deep too ... after 50 years apart the societies of Taiwan and China has evolved very differently. And this link between the two sides get eroded day by day, as the old guards in Taiwan die off and are replaced by a new generation of locally born leaders. It's like the relationship between Singapore and Malaysia ... we were intertwined together in so many ways, and still are, infact ... but Singaporeans certainly do not consider Malaysia as an "Ah bang", big brother, or of the same family, now .... and the newer generation of Taiwanese do feel the same way about China ...
I think that if China and Taiwan doesn't initiate serious dialogues and commit both sides to a seriously to reunification, it will only be a matter of time before some new generation of Taiwanese leader get some aspirations to be the "founding father" of the Taiwan nation and declare independence, and a war will be inevitable then ... with the military muscle of China, she certainly won't loose this war ... but she may not "win" it ... if you know what i mean ...
(and what some of the chap mentioned about Taiwan and Taiwanese domestic politics is correct ... Taiwanese politicians are certainly domestically oriented, and the democratic process is more like a circus, hence the Singapore = piece of booger comments ... but that makes it more dangerous eh ? ... some small, provincial minded peepsqeak may just bring war into the Taiwan Straits one day, look out for Beijing 08' I suspect it's a very good time for some in Taiwan to develop an itchy backside ... )
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i agree to a certain extent.Originally posted by Fatum:Hmmmmm .....
The last time the political science department of my uni organized a forum on this issue, a fight nearly broke out between the Chinese and Taiwanese students in the auditorium. I must say, PR-wise, at the grass-root level, Taiwan is winning, despite whatever tactics China uses to curb the International space of the Taiwanese, lots of goverments, infact, most goverments around the world recognizes China, and Taiwan as part of China officially, but I have the sense that at the grass-roots level, especially in the west, most people are sympathetic to the Taiwanese cause. (Rabid, chest-thumping nationalist rhectoric doesn't help things either, I was so embaressed at the forum I left before it was over, I thought I'd go to a forum where participants from both sides can air their views frankly and openly, not shouted things like "Taiwan belongs to us ! " )
to put things in a non-normative light, while all the Chinese students I know over here, down to a man, believe that Taiwan belongs to China, and belive that the use of force to recover Taiwan is justified as well, Most Taiwanese also believe that Taiwan has already been a de facto independent state for a very very long time. You got to remember that unlike the kuomintang old guards that went into exile from the mainland in 49' new generation of Taiwanese, born and bred on the island, don't harbour the kind of warm fuzzy kinship that the older generation of kuomintang leaders have (Chen Shui bian is a good example of this). And I can tell you this, the cultural affinity is also skin-deep too ... after 50 years apart the societies of Taiwan and China has evolved very differently. And this link between the two sides get eroded day by day, as the old guards in Taiwan die off and are replaced by a new generation of locally born leaders. It's like the relationship between Singapore and Malaysia ... we were intertwined together in so many ways, and still are, infact ... but Singaporeans certainly do not consider Malaysia as an "Ah bang", big brother, or of the same family, now .... and the newer generation of Taiwanese do feel the same way about China ...
I think that if China and Taiwan doesn't initiate serious dialogues and commit both sides to a seriously to reunification, it will only be a matter of time before some new generation of Taiwanese leader get some aspirations to be the "founding father" of the Taiwan nation and declare independence, and a war will be inevitable then ... with the military muscle of China, she certainly won't loose this war ... but she may not "win" it ... if you know what i mean ...
(and what some of the chap mentioned about Taiwan and Taiwanese domestic politics is correct ... Taiwanese politicians are certainly domestically oriented, and the democratic process is more like a circus, hence the Singapore = piece of booger comments ... but that makes it more dangerous eh ? ... some small, provincial minded peepsqeak may just bring war into the Taiwan Straits one day, look out for Beijing 08' I suspect it's a very good time for some in Taiwan to develop an itchy backside ... )
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It does not matter if Taiwan has evolved into a somewhat different community than the mainland China. We feel as litttle affinity to Taiwan as they feel towards us. The existence of difference however, is not a justification for territorial separation. Simply that Quebeque is in many ways different from the rest of Canada does not mean the sleazy attempts to separate Quebeque from Canada will come off. When it comes to territorial integrity, there is just so much that can be negotiated.
The grassroot opinion cannot supplant judgements made at a government levels. During the van nguan's (sorry cant remember the spelling) incident, there was a furore among the masses in Australia to lobby for a boycott of Singapore business. That was an overwhelming opinion of masses. But it did not quite impact the more judicial judegements of the Australian government in dealing with Spre. The same can be said of the opinion held by the polulace on the status of Taiwan.
The future of Taiwan will be doomed if any attempts at FORMAL independence are made. The separation of Taiwan from China in terms of official territorial recognition will not be tolerated even if China experiences a drastic political shift at the governement level. Territorial integrity will never, ever be compromised.
It does not matter what clownish gimmicks the pro-independence cabals in Taiwan and elsewhere pull out. It does not matter how China-bashers use the Taiwan issue to lambaste their mad disparages against China. Their antics will fail, miserably. -
Yes i agree with youOriginally posted by dreameryb:It does not matter if Taiwan has evolved into a somewhat different community than the mainland China. We feel as litttle affinity to Taiwan as they feel towards us. The existence of difference however, is not a justification for territorial separation. Simply that Quebeque is in many ways different from the rest of Canada does not mean the sleazy attempts to separate Quebeque from Canada will come off. When it comes to territorial integrity, there is just so much that can be negotiated.
The grassroot opinion cannot supplant judgements made at a government levels. During the van nguan's (sorry cant remember the spelling) incident, there was a furore among the masses in Australia to lobby for a boycott of Singapore business. That was an overwhelming opinion of masses. But it did not quite impact the more judicial judegements of the Australian government in dealing with Spre. The same can be said of the opinion held by the polulace on the status of Taiwan.
The future of Taiwan will be doomed if any attempts at FORMAL independence are made. The separation of Taiwan from China in terms of official territorial recognition will not be tolerated even if China experiences a drastic political shift at the governement level. Territorial integrity will never, ever be compromised.
It does not matter what clownish gimmicks the pro-independence cabals in Taiwan and elsewhere pull out. It does not matter how China-bashers use the Taiwan issue to lambaste their mad disparages against China. Their antics will fail, miserably. -
well, they better do something, else those people that suffer the most are their own people.
But sides are seldom objective and are always emotionally and non-tact in speeches...
Well, let the rest of SE asia progress and enjoy prosperity and wellness. If they dont move on, so be it then. 
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Dear Huaqing
Now for your History test
You cannot use to a certain extent
But use small or large extent
This was told by my teacher
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gorby...no offence, but is your teacher good in English? as in like studied English or languages in Univ etc?
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I dunno???Originally posted by nightzip:gorby...no offence, but is your teacher good in English? as in like studied English or languages in Univ etc?
why?? -
Originally posted by gorby107:
In Integrated Program we are told to use to a certain extent in Sec one last year...
Dear Huaqing
Now for your History test
You cannot use to a [b]certain extent
But use small or large extent
This was told by my teacher [/b]
it is okay maybe u are not in Integrated Program so u dunno that -
Ok thenOriginally posted by huaqing:In Integrated Program we are told to use to a certain extent in Sec one last year...
it is okay maybe u are not in Integrated Program so u dunno that -
I knew that since Primary 5.Originally posted by huaqing:In Integrated Program we are told to use to a certain extent in Sec one last year...
it is okay maybe u are not in Integrated Program so u dunno that -
...Originally posted by LazerLordz:I knew that since Primary 5. -
The current news can tell the future.
1. Many lawmakers with gansters background
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24/01/2006 Pub: Strait Times Page: 7
Headline: Lawmaker splurges $1m on son's wedding feast
Page Heading: China
TAIPEI
AN INDEPENDENT Taiwanese lawmaker invited nearly 20,000 guests to the wedding
dinner of his teenage son last Saturday.
A gymnasium in the coastal town of Shalu in Taichung county was converted
into a dining hall complete with 1,980 tables, Taiwan News reported.
Lawmaker Yen Chin-piao's guest list included political big-wigs such as
opposition Kuomintang (KMT) chairman Ma Ying-jeou, Mr Ma's predecessor Lien
Chan, Legislative Speaker Wang Jin-pyng and opposition People First Party
chairman James Soong.
Reports said President Chen Shui-bian and his deputy Annette Lu were both
also invited but did not attend the dinner.
In the end, 15,000 people turned up for the wedding of Mr Yen's 16-year-old son Chia-yi, who married his 15-year-old girlfriend,
who is five months pregnant.
The lavish affair is believed to have cost NT$20 million (S$1 million).
Mr Yen, who has been active in politics for 20 years, progressed from a
borough chief to county and provincial councillor before being elected to the
legislature.
But he has a chequered background and is believed
to have been involved in a string of crimes, including corruption,
illegal possession of firearms and attempted murder.
In 2001, he ran in the legislative elections and was elected,
even though he was behind bars at the time.---END OF QUOTE
What a demoractic society.This guy was elected while in jail!!
2.
3 kidnappers--
killers were released ''accidientially''
All would be sentenced to life imprisonment or death.
Thanks to the corrupted police and judiciary!! -
What a lot of rubbish, Things like this happen everwhere.I live here and life is normal, I guess just like in Singapore!!Originally posted by lionnoisy:Taiwan is falling.News on 14.01.2006.
Read Taiwan news day by day and u will understand Taiwan---the democratic
society!!Full of abductions,thugs,guns,crimnial--turns--MP,
Criminal turned MP, thats true, mostly KMT - Damn Mainlanders!!
Does your news report this:
Country Rankings Global Competitiveness Report : 2005-2006
1. Finland
2. USA
3. Sweden
4. Denmark
5. Taiwan
6. Singapore
7. Iceland
8. Switzerland
9.Norway
10.Australia
11.Netherlands
12.Japan
13.United Kingdom
14.Canada
15.Germany
16. New Zealand
http://www.weforum.org/site/homepublic.nsf/Content/Global+Competitiveness+Programme%5CGlobal+Competitiveness+Report
Or that When the KMT lost power, Taiwan's Foreign reserve was USD106+ Bil in 2000 Now It is USD253 Bil. Do a google search toverify.
This type of falling is great. -
Originally posted by shenjingbing:
Taiwan is a province of the Republic of China. The Republic of China is not a province of the People's Republic of China. The PRC has never had any jurisdiction over the ROC and it's provinces.
you do not support china to be unity ?why? many malaysian chinese support it ? why you are so different?
taiwan is a province of china ,this wil not be changed for ever.i love taiwan too much ,i do not hope it become another country.
but now unity is not good .i have to admit .china should change ,change its politic ,improve ppl's income .
taiwan ,98% is han chinese ppl .we are one family .
[b]ben shi tong gen sheng ,xiang jian he tai ji[/b]
Being Han has got nothing to do with it.
The PRC split from the ROC when it changed it's name in 1949 and became another country .The ROC was formed in 1911 and still exists today.
Zhonghua Renmin Gongheguo - People's Republic of China
1949~2006
Zhonghua Minguo - Republic of China
1911~2006 -
Originally posted by lovespecter:ask you guys, if Shanghai wants to be independent from China. what do you think?
if Pasir Ris and BoonLay declare independence and Woodlands join Malaysia. what do you think? -
ROFL.Originally posted by boy in blues:
if Pasir Ris and BoonLay declare independence and Woodlands join Malaysia. what do you think?