The Future of Taiwan
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There is no parallel bet. this case and Taiwanese independance.Originally posted by boy in blues:
if Pasir Ris and BoonLay declare independence and Woodlands join Malaysia. what do you think?
These two New Towns were under Singapore all the way since independance.
However, Taiwan was never under the PRC. Forget about Imperial China, PRC never controlled Taiwan for a single day, so wither the claim?
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Can Chinese forget China before 1911??? Can Koreans, north or south, forget korea before 1910?? ask them!!Originally posted by LazerLordz:There is no parallel bet. this case and Taiwanese independance.
These two New Towns were under Singapore all the way since independance.
However, Taiwan was never under the PRC. Forget about Imperial China, PRC never controlled Taiwan for a single day, so wither the claim?
National independance is not determined by politics alone, fortunately. History tells us that the wrong political leaders bring only suffering to their people. One Hitler was enough to destroy the whole Germany. Ideologies also could not tear them apart for long. Today Germany is united, because they are one people.
PRC or ROC, they are the same family. In life, when brothers quarrel, telling to walk their own way instead of reconciling, will only tear the family apart, and the hatred will last.
Only those who benefits from such chaos will do such evil things. -
Thousands of Taiwan opposition supporters took to the streets for the second time in a week on Sunday to rail against President Chen Shui-bian and his policies, which they claim are fanning tensions with China. The protest raised many of the same issues brought up in an opposition rally last Sunday, including ChenÂ’s abolishment of the National Unification Council and its guidelines on unification with its giant neighbour, and arms purchases from the US.
Relations with China have been strained since pro-independence Chen scrapped the council in February, prompting Beijing, which considers the island part of its territory, to call the move a “dangerous provocation”. Around 10,000 people gathered near the presidential building in the capital Taipei, holding banners reading, “We want peace, we oppose the scrapping of the national unification council”.
“This country has too many problems that require our attention, but our country’s leaders, our government don’t really pay attention to the people’s suffering, they can’t pull their attention away from the issue of unification or independence,” Nationalist party chairman Ma Ying-jeou said. “What people care about is the economic problems and direct links with China,” Ma said.
The protest coincided with the second anniversary of the shooting of Chen and Vice President Annette Lu. -
Taiwan businesspeople working in China have criticized President Chen Shui-bian for plans to scrap the National Unification Council.
Trade, investment and tourism have blossomed in recent years between Taiwan and China, with Taiwan investors pouring up to US$100 billion into China since detente began in the late 1980s.
Chen announced last month that he would abolish the National Unification Council and guidelines on unification, although he had previously promised not to do so in his inauguration speeches of 2000 and 2004.
"At present, the mainland tries its utmost to protect the rights and interests of Taiwan businesspeople and to maintain the peace across the Taiwan Strait," Xie Kunzhong, president of the Association of Taiwan-Funded Enterprises in Beijing, told a news conference on Saturday, according to Hong Kong's Ta Kung Pao newspaper.
"But the supreme leader of the Taiwan administration tries all means to make troubles for Taiwan businesspeople."
China's Taiwan Affairs Office said on Sunday that Chen had made his move at a time of peace and stability.
"Since 2005, thanks to the common efforts of compatriots of both sides of the Taiwan Strait, relations have emerged with a good momentum of peace, stability and development, making it more difficult for the line of 'Taiwan independence' pursued by Chen Shui-bian," an official said in a statement.
"In this situation, Chen Shui-bian not only refuses to mend himself, but puts the peace across the strait and interests of Taiwan people at stake."
Chen Guoyuan, secretary general of the businesspeople's association, said the wishes of Taiwan businesspeople were very simple.
"We require only the rights of existence and development, and we don't want Taiwan to dictate any dismal future for us." -
Not everyone that showed up in the rally organized by the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) were there of their own will, as some party lawmakers complained they had been ordered to go or would face disciplinary actions, according to a newspaper report.
President Chen Shui-bian, Vice President Annette Lu, Premier Su Tseng-chang and DPP Chairman Yu Shyi-kun joined some 100,000 supporters as they marched along the streets in Taipei in protest of China's military threat.
In a show of solidarity, the DPP legislative caucus Friday night issued a "mobilization order of the top degree" to its members, demanding they all join the demonstration.
According to the party rules, any lawmaker ignoring such an order would be fined NT$50,000, and would be subject to further disciplinary actions.
DPP Chairman Yu called each and every party lawmaker, asking them to mobilize more supporters to the march than the quota they had been assigned, according to the United Evening News.
The party last week already meted out quotas for each of its lawmakers, requiring them to bring in a certain amount of supporters.
The quota requirement at the time already sparked complaints from many DPP lawmakers who had had no intention to participate in a demonstration that they had deemed unnecessary
The mobilization order had the lawmakers protesting further.
A lawmaker was cited by the United Evening News as saying the mobilization denied them the freedom of choice.
The DPP chairman was trying to not let the president lose face, the lawmaker from southern Taiwan was cited as saying.
A DPP lawmaker from northern Taiwan said the people of Taiwan in general are not interested in demonstrations, and yesterday's rally lacked a clear focus, according to the newspaper.
The lawmaker said the mobilization order gave the impression that few were actually willing to take part. A party worker complained that the DPP leaders were being very picky about the number of participants this time, according to the paper.
In the past, the party would approve NT$8,000 to NT$13,000 in travel subsidies for each of the tourist buses arriving at the demonstration, assuming that they were full of supporters, the worker said.
This time, party workers had to go on the buses and count the number to passengers to make sure that the lawmakers had gone. -
That is absolutely rubbish. If they carry out this "assault", do you think the US will intervene and help them? Furthermore, what about the UN? I think the Security Council will send armed forces to push Taiwanese forces back.Originally posted by Ito_^:Taiwan will invade China and take over Beijjing within 3 days of a top secret pre-emptive assault.
I don't think Taiwan are that stupid. They are constantly making sure that whatever they do, the US would be there to "protect" them from Beijing. -
The future of Taiwan is unification with the Mainland. According to the PRC, there will be no compromise in this.
I personally feel that Taiwan is part of China and have no rights to declare independence whatsoever. Afterall, Chiang fled the China to Taiwan in 1949...
If Taiwan declares independence, I will support the PRC's decision to attack. US intervention is not much of a concern. Afterall, there is a saying " USA values Los Angeles more than Taiwan " and the US wants to have a better relationship with PRC in the 21st century.
The PRC used to supply arms such as missiles to Middle-Eastern countries such as Iran. Therefore, I do not think the USA would want to worsen the relationship and risking the PRC to support countries and organisations that are anti-USA. -
Originally posted by huaqing:what do u think will be the future of Taiwan?
Will there be a war between the mainland and Taiwan?
i think if the Kuomintang kick Chen Shui Bian out of the government, everything will be fine.
If Chen shui bian remains there then i think the security of Taiwan cannot be guaranteed.
what do u guys think?
As an outsider's view, cause I am Taiwanese or Chinese Nation.
a) Future - not bright / won't die
b) No likely, as China is concern about economic reform inside. Chen's act testing water only to gain support from his party to consolidate his position.
c) Likely to be, because Taiwan's economics also not improving, (got sobotage earlier, that why Ah Bian very hardup)
d) Nothing will happen, all talk not show likely. Can sleep peacefully. Don't play stock, property or anything related. Cause shock can be killing for nothing.
Have fun. Personal view -
Sorry, declare since when I was taiwanese or Chinese Nation. Sorry I am not either.