Should Child Sex Offenders Be Punished When They Returned?
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what do you think?
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Well, I think in general if a peson commits a crime abroad will be punished by the law of that country if he/she gets caught.
But I don't think anyone should be questioned for whatever they do when abroad. -
the law should be there to protect minors from singaporeans overseas. It can be used if need to, in any circumstances. Anyway, punishment is usually probation as show lately.
however , i think the country which the offence committed should be the first take action. If that fails then singapore can take actions.
i am sure this law will break the first loophole where men bring horny underage local girls to batam for sex to avoid being caught or arrested. -
by rights, it should be punished by the local laws. or dat the local authority requests that we should handle it by our laws by their own initiative.
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This opens a whole can of worms as what may be illegal in sg may not be illegal in another country.
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of course must be punished!
btw dragg, i saw ur BIG BIG name on Popcorn section of Lianhe Zaobao today...
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of course not! don't we have enough of fines and punishment already?
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maybe some ppl dun wan cos they still want to go to Batam and do_ _ _...
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I am strongly for punishment. Protect those children. Although the crime is not committed in Singapore, but I think Singapore, as a country, should do something about it. Afterall, they are human being too.
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They are not illegal in other countries because those countries do not have the resource to enact and enforce such laws. However, Singapore do.
I don't think Singaporean wanted to be labelled as "child fcuker" in the overseas, do we?
Maybe the next time, we will see this in the front page of The New York Times:
Singaporean... the kiasu, the kiasi and the child fcuker.Originally posted by SilverPal:This opens a whole can of worms as what may be illegal in sg may not be illegal in another country. -
So, singapore will have extraterritorial (however you spell the word) rights in asian countries?
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for this selected case i think should punish but must be very limited only to this law and not other stuff. that and there must be prove beyond doubt(not reasonable btw) that the person did have sex and expressedly wanted it with a minor
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No, our powers will be exercised in Singapore...when the offended returns he will be arrested and charged for a crime committed overseas. This is already in place in the UK. I agree with this law...this will prevent Singaporeans from exploting the weak legal system and corruption in third world nations to abuse children.Originally posted by SilverPal:So, singapore will have extraterritorial (however you spell the word) rights in asian countries? -
Is this another nail in the coffin - in which the long arm of the Singapore Law is omnipresent to ensure Singaporeans are the MOST well behaved Citizen of the World ?
As it stands, Singaporeans returning home from overseas, can be arrested and jailed for consuming drugs while overseas.
What difference does it make if a Singaporean escape from overseas after committing a sex crime with an under aged child ?
With the passing of such a law, any country without formal extradition treaty with Singapore, can still get the Singapore Government to prosecute Singaporeans who commit such sexual crime against a child.
With this Government a.k.a the Ruling Party, we can expect only tighter controls over Singaporeans, but we will never be able to control the Ruling Party a.k.a the Singapore Government.
This Government will SELECTIVELY accept those parts of the International Laws that will help to enhance their own International Standing, but will reject those International Laws that will impinge on their own SOVEREIGNTY TO GOVERN a Little Island. -
How to find proof? like semen in the child...Originally posted by dragg:what do you think?
How to conduct trial?
How to bring the victim from overseas to court?
Or just force anyone that look like a child sex offender to admit something that have never been happened? -
And this brings up yet another problem, the trial. Witnesses, evidence, semen stains etc.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:No, our powers will be exercised in Singapore...when the offended returns he will be arrested and charged for a crime committed overseas. This is already in place in the UK. I agree with this law...this will prevent Singaporeans from exploting the weak legal system and corruption in third world nations to abuse children.
Furthermore, some countries do things differently from sg and the lawyers may not have sufficient understanding of the country to conduct the cross examination correctly. ie, in sg we pay taxi fare according to the meter, in some countries we pay according to an agreed on price. How are you going to prove that I took a cab from one place to another place with or without midnight surcharge? Will the taxi driver testify?
I believe that sg should remain moral and upright even without the long arm of the law breathing down their necks. Child sex offenders and phaedophiles should be punished. But we have to think of a feasible way rather than take the most convenient route.
If I went overseas but did not conduct any sex with minors, what happens when an enemy or someone who hates me tries to set me up by claiming I had sex with minors? Bearing in mind that the alledged child will not be available to testify and everything "happened" overseas. -
I think it is time for a referendum on this kind of legislation.Originally posted by dragg:what do you think?
In fact, ALL legislative issues OUGHT to be decided by way of referendum ALONE. -
You're right, but I don't think our leeders are enlightened enough to know how to conduct a referendum. They most probably would do it like the way they informed us of the gambling dens... Make a decision before telling us about it, and then assuming that we're too stupid to understand the reason why.Originally posted by iveco:I think it is time for a referendum on this kind of legislation.
In fact, ALL legislative issues OUGHT to be decided by way of referendum ALONE. -
CHILD SEX is a global issue and is being fought against on a global platform. If someone were found surfing CHILD PORNOGRAPHY or have such materials stored on the computers or similar media....they should be charged regardless of their locations....so its the same for CHILD SEX.... i dun think any countries out there do not consider CHILD SEX a crime.... it is a crime everywhere and such offenders deserve to be punished.
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I didn't know that, but if what you say is correct, then looks like we were discussing a moot point.Originally posted by gasband:CHILD SEX is a global issue and is being fought against on a global platform. If someone were found surfing CHILD PORNOGRAPHY or have such materials stored on the computers or similar media....they should be charged regardless of their locations....so its the same for CHILD SEX.... i dun think any countries out there do not consider CHILD SEX a crime.... it is a crime everywhere and such offenders deserve to be punished.
I'm against child porn and child sex... -
No!!
They should not be allowed to return in the first place
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If our govt can already punish ppl who take drugs overseas, then punishing ppl who have child sex shouldn't be surprised, however if charging a person who have child sex overseas means we must bring the victim over to testify then we shouldn't punish the offenders
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To punish those who take drugs overseas is quite simple. Drugs stay in your body for about 30 days (give or take) after consumption. If at the airport your urine test shows traces of drugs, you have "abused drugs" and thus can be convicted in singapore.Originally posted by The man who was death:If our govt can already punish ppl who take drugs overseas, then punishing ppl who have child sex shouldn't be surprised, however if charging a person who have child sex overseas means we must bring the victim over to testify then we shouldn't punish the offenders
Heard about this from a foreign national.
As for child offenders, there is no way it can be so clear cut. Even if the offender didn't bathe after the act... The child has to testify (I think) to prove that the accused really did have sex with her. -
How do the Customs people find out who did drugs overseas? I read that some of them were found out after being subjected to random urine tests. There may be others who got away.Originally posted by SilverPal:To punish those who take drugs overseas is quite simple. Drugs stay in your body for about 30 days (give or take) after consumption. If at the airport your urine test shows traces of drugs, you have "abused drugs" and thus can be convicted in singapore.
Heard about this from a foreign national.
As for child offenders, there is no way it can be so clear cut. Even if the offender didn't bathe after the act... The child has to testify (I think) to prove that the accused really did have sex with her. -
Bravo oxford, straight to the point.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:No, our powers will be exercised in Singapore...when the offended returns he will be arrested and charged for a crime committed overseas. This is already in place in the UK. I agree with this law...this will prevent Singaporeans from exploting the weak legal system and corruption in third world nations to abuse children.