Should Child Sex Offenders Be Punished When They Returned?
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I think you could not compare doing drugs and "doing" children. While doing drugs will only hurt the drug abusers, but child prostitution will definetely hurt the children and their life. Imagine those children is yours or someone you know, don't you want those child fcuker a.k.a Singaporean to be punished?
I do understand how some of you feel about it, especially when its involved personal protection and laws being abused against innoncent, but I think we also need to look into how can we, as Singaporean, help those children who are being exploited.
I believe, if such laws enact and enforce in Singapore in the future, there will be checks and balances to the laws. No human being is perfect, likewise no laws is perfect. -
Yes, the main thing is regarding children being exploited. Some parents sell their children into prostitution because they can't make ends meet. That, I feel, is the real problem.Originally posted by mark_docent:I think you could not compare doing drugs and "doing" children. While doing drugs will only hurt the drug abusers, but child prostitution will definetely hurt the children and their life. Imagine those children is yours or someone you know, don't you want those child fcuker a.k.a Singaporean to be punished?
I do understand how some of you feel about it, especially when its involved personal protection and laws being abused against innoncent, but I think we also need to look into how can we, as Singaporean, help those children who are being exploited.
I believe, if such laws enact and enforce in Singapore in the future, there will be checks and balances to the laws. No human being is perfect, likewise no laws is perfect. -
this is the last thing that will happen in singapore.Originally posted by iveco:I think it is time for a referendum on this kind of legislation.
In fact, ALL legislative issues OUGHT to be decided by way of referendum ALONE. -
Originally posted by iveco:
You got me laughing. I give you 3
I think it is time for a referendum on this kind of legislation.
In fact, ALL legislative issues OUGHT to be decided by way of referendum ALONE.
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There will be a problem when age of consent is brought into question, from a legal standpoint.Let's say Japan's age of consent is lower than Singapore, and would this person who is considered innocent under Japanese law, be found guilty under Singapore law?
This is the problem with selective usage of international law.In the case of child sex, there is no defense, but it opens up a whole new avenue of abuse of the legal process.
If a Singaporean smokes weed in Holland legally, he is charged in Singapore even though he did not commit the actual crime, and evidence is based on bloodstream.This extra-territorial jurisdiction irks me slightly, especially when we have an annoying track record of using international laws to further certain domestic agendas in our home front.
What we do legally in other nations, should not be the problem of our government. -
Age of consent is an issue that can be worked out. An obvious definition is following international conventions. The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, now adopted by 191 Member States, provides an international definition of the Child as being anyone under 18.Originally posted by LazerLordz:There will be a problem when age of consent is brought into question, from a legal standpoint.Let's say Japan's age of consent is lower than Singapore, and would this person who is considered innocent under Japanese law, be found guilty under Singapore law?
This is the problem with selective usage of international law.In the case of child sex, there is no defense, but it opens up a whole new avenue of abuse of the legal process.
If a Singaporean smokes weed in Holland legally, he is charged in Singapore even though he did not commit the actual crime, and evidence is based on bloodstream.This extra-territorial jurisdiction irks me slightly, especially when we have an annoying track record of using international laws to further certain domestic agendas in our home front.
What we do legally in other nations, should not be the problem of our government.
(http://www.unesco.org/webworld/child_screen/conf_index_2.html#redef)
Nazi criminals have been prosecuted in Israel for crimes committed in Germany, for example. I do not agree that we should turn a blind eye to crimes committed by our citizens in other nations which are unable to enforce their own laws, when those same activities are not acceptable in our community. Just because honour killing and slavery are acceptable in some remote villages in another part of the world, it does not mean we should allow our citizens to partake in such heinous crimes.
Anyway we are talking about child sex offenders here. I see no reason why we should not make that a crime since, as you say, it is already an offence to smoke cannabis overseas. -
When you get diseases such as Aids, STD and etc from overseas (legal or illegally), it became the problem of our government and our society.Originally posted by LazerLordz:There will be a problem when age of consent is brought into question, from a legal standpoint.Let's say Japan's age of consent is lower than Singapore, and would this person who is considered innocent under Japanese law, be found guilty under Singapore law?
This is the problem with selective usage of international law.In the case of child sex, there is no defense, but it opens up a whole new avenue of abuse of the legal process.
If a Singaporean smokes weed in Holland legally, he is charged in Singapore even though he did not commit the actual crime, and evidence is based on bloodstream.This extra-territorial jurisdiction irks me slightly, especially when we have an annoying track record of using international laws to further certain domestic agendas in our home front.
What we do legally in other nations, should not be the problem of our government.
Why people like to compare child prostitution with drugs? Its not an apple to apple comparison. Using international laws to further certain domestic agendas is not only happening in Singapore, it happens in other countries, such as US, UK, Australia and etc, too. Please don't be so naive. -
Bringing those childrens over to testify against the offenders will hurt the children and their lifes too. I'm not saying we should let the offenders go away scot free but how do we protect the childrens??Originally posted by mark_docent:I think you could not compare doing drugs and "doing" children. While doing drugs will only hurt the drug abusers, but child prostitution will definetely hurt the children and their life. Imagine those children is yours or someone you know, don't you want those child fcuker a.k.a Singaporean to be punished?
I do understand how some of you feel about it, especially when its involved personal protection and laws being abused against innoncent, but I think we also need to look into how can we, as Singaporean, help those children who are being exploited.
I believe, if such laws enact and enforce in Singapore in the future, there will be checks and balances to the laws. No human being is perfect, likewise no laws is perfect. -
I'm for child sex offenders to be charged, I'm just concerned about the checks and balances for this extra-territorial application of the law, and how the govt has always manipulated this and been quite the selective consumer, sometimes that impacts on us negatively.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Age of consent is an issue that can be worked out. An obvious definition is following international conventions. The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, now adopted by 191 Member States, provides an international definition of the Child as being anyone under 18.
(http://www.unesco.org/webworld/child_screen/conf_index_2.html#redef)
Nazi criminals have been prosecuted in Israel for crimes committed in Germany, for example. I do not agree that we should turn a blind eye to crimes committed by our citizens in other nations which are unable to enforce their own laws, when those same activities are not acceptable in our community. Just because honour killing and slavery are acceptable in some remote villages in another part of the world, it does not mean we should allow our citizens to partake in such heinous crimes.
Anyway we are talking about child sex offenders here. I see no reason why we should not make that a crime since, as you say, it is already an offence to smoke cannabis overseas. -
Well, extra-territorial child sex law are only deterrent i suppose. If it isn't, then we have no more privacy.
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In order to protect the children, cooperation between governments is essential, but due to corruption, prosecuting child prostitution offenders will be very difficult. However, I am a firm believer that despite of the difficulty, someone has to start somewhere and lead this battle. I believe Singapore is the best country among its neighbours to lead this battle.Originally posted by The man who was death:Bringing those childrens over to testify against the offenders will hurt the children and their lifes too. I'm not saying we should let the offenders go away scot free but how do we protect the childrens??