VIPs' sons given special treatment in 1999
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oh yea when that happens, i won't even bother to make a grab for power. power has never interested me. no. i will, however, laugh and gloat and then I'll leave whoever who deserves it to rot by themselves.Originally posted by HENG@:oh i won't. sometimes i think people deserve to live like turd if they willingly allow their liberties to be lost for the sake of security. Afterall, Benjamin Franklin once said "People who give up liberty for the sake of security deserve neither liberty NOR security"
but my friend. now HE is power hungry and altho he is not a scholar, he is doing very well in his course in an affluent UK Uni. Came in top 8 for his course and is now doing a specialised major where only the top 10 of the entire cohort gets to do it. I have no doubt in time to come he will be someone very reputable. And powerful. And we all know, power pays in politics. And then, we will see which hole PAP throws itself into when they implode internally.
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I'm sorry to say that I kinda sorta agree with your friend, which is a truly sad reflection of my own world view.Originally posted by HENG@:i have a friend. he told me this statement. i can't say i fully agree or disagree with it, but i do think it makes some sense. he said:
"perhaps, sadly, the only way we can make singapore better, is to totally destroy it 1st, for it is the only way to weed all that is bad and unclean about it, to remove the people who help to harbour the wrong opinions, before a complete re-education is possible. only after the complete destruction of the old, can we start building a new and better singapore"
the more i think about it, the more i think that might be the only option left for us, because singaporeans persist in being thick and unwilling to explore for the sake of lanugishing in their false sense of security.
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people always say without the govt we wouldn't be where we are today, we wouldn't have the progress we have etcOriginally posted by av98m:I'm sorry to say that I kinda sorta agree with your friend, which is a truly sad reflection of my own world view.
but the question i would like to ask is, did the govt right from the start, aimed to improve singapore and succeeded? or did singapore actually conveniently come to affluence as a side-effect of some individual's hunger and primary goal for power and glory? -
I am happy if my son dies serving his country. I don't need the govt o pity me.Originally posted by dragg:if you disagree with the figure tell us if your son dies in the army how much is he worth to you?
111k too much?
you will ask mindef to give you $1?
you are an ass hole!!!
So how much is enough?What is there to stop anyone from saying that 500k is not enough? -
rubbish. just by saying this, u're being hypocrital. what sort of father is happy for his son to die?Originally posted by Salman:I am happy if my son dies serving his country. I don't need the govt o pity me.
So how much is enough?What is there to stop anyone from saying that 500k is not enough?
and u dare say u will be happy for that to happen if the govt refuses to give u a clear account of how he dies?
u're not human. u're not fit to be human. don't have children, u're not fit to be a parent. -
talk is cheap ... he is cheap ...Originally posted by HENG@:rubbish. just by saying this, u're being hypocrital. what sort of father is happy for his son to die?
and u dare say u will be happy for that to happen if the govt refuses to give u a clear account of how he dies?
u're not human. u're not fit to be human. don't have children, u're not fit to be a parent. -
so very cheap he is.Originally posted by snow leopard:talk is cheap ... he is cheap ...
i dare him to go say that in the face of people who have lost sons and friends to the system.
see if he has the BALLS to.
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What kind of bullshit is this from you forum troll?Originally posted by Salman:I am happy if my son dies serving his country. I don't need the govt o pity me.
So how much is enough?What is there to stop anyone from saying that 500k is not enough? -
Originally posted by Salman:
Did you ask your parents what compensation amount will be suitable in the event of you dying a useless, senseless death - NOT IN DEFENSE of Singapore at WAR, BUT in a senseless death due to some equipment failure caused by some ' army co*k-up ' ?
I am happy if my son dies serving his country. I don't need the govt o pity me.
So how much is enough?What is there to stop anyone from saying that 500k is not enough?
Perhaps, your parents will only be too happy that the SAF managed to cause your death, so that they are rid of a mentally retarded son - who believes only in running circles round everyone's arguments, and seems unable to handle any activity that demands some straight and clear thinking. -
I think you fellas are switching goal posts once you hypocrisies are confronted.
First you talk about inadequate amount, now you talk abt accountability.
I mean what I said, if my son dies in a training accident while doing NS, so be it. He is serving is country and I will be proud of him and won't want any compensation from SAF. What for?
So how much is enough if you think $111k is not enough? What is there to stop anyone from saying that 500k is not enough? -
Question: has your son died while in the SAF?Originally posted by Salman:I think you fellas are switching goal posts once you hypocrisies are confronted.
First you talk about inadequate amount, now you talk abt accountability.
I mean what I said, if my son dies in a training accident while doing NS, so be it. He is serving is country and I will be proud of him and won't want any compensation from SAF. What for?
So how much is enough if you think $111k is not enough? What is there to stop anyone from saying that 500k is not enough?
Unless you've had to experience that, then you're in no real position to say how you will react should that ever happen to you. Should such a situation ever happen to you, how do you know that your response would be as such? How do you know that you will reject the compensation offered to you?
Talk is cheap. Experiencing it first-hand is another.
I haven't experienced it first hand either, but hey, at least I'm not going to speculate on how I would react should such a terrible thing ever happen to me.
Do think about it. -
The question still remains. so how much is enough for you?
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now, this is the best bullshIt i have heard all my life.Originally posted by Salman:I think you fellas are switching goal posts once you hypocrisies are confronted.
First you talk about inadequate amount, now you talk abt accountability.
I mean what I said, if my son dies in a training accident while doing NS, so be it. He is serving is country and I will be proud of him and won't want any compensation from SAF. What for?
So how much is enough if you think $111k is not enough? What is there to stop anyone from saying that 500k is not enough?
go get married and get your son enlisted!! -
I answered that question already. My sums might not be correct, but the premise i think is acceptable. Pension system increasing as the parents grow older. Base level should be a percentage of the average salary of a young adult. What percentage. Not sure, but a study can be done to determine that. Perhaps 30%?Originally posted by Salman:The question still remains. so how much is enough for you?
Anyway, I could ask you the same question. Why do you think 100000 is enough? On what basis? At least I have a basis for my answer, albeit it needs fine tuning and further research. -
If we are still in ancient world and I'm the emporer of the country. Iwould not hesitate to sentence Salman to death by drowning him in pigs' shit. Chopp him him into pieces and feeding to leeches and worms.
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Originally posted by lwflee:
There is some intelligence in what you said. You put some reason and logic to your figues. However there will still be whiners out there who say it is not enough even if you pay out 500k. There is nothing to stop them from whining.
I answered that question already. My sums might not be correct, but the premise i think is acceptable. Pension system increasing as the parents grow older. Base level should be a percentage of the average salary of a young adult. What percentage. Not sure, but a study can be done to determine that. Perhaps 30%?
I didn't say 111k is enough, I simply asked, if it is not enough, then how much is enough.
Anyway, I could ask you the same question. Why do you think 100000 is enough? On what basis? At least I have a basis for my answer, albeit it needs fine tuning and further research.
I myself won't take a single cent from the army because I think it is an honour to serve my country. No complains. -
i dont think anyone needs to justify the amount. since you dont get it why dont i put it in simple terms to you.Originally posted by Salman:I didn't say 111k is enough, I simply asked, if it is not enough, then how much is enough.
I myself won't take a single cent from the army because I think it is an honour to serve my country. No complains.
you are patriotic and we arent.
our children is priceless to us.
your children is nothing to you. -
Why should this question remain ?Originally posted by Salman:The question still remains. so how much is enough for you?
It is so simple to be answered, as each value our Life differently.
Ask YOUR PARENTS how much is enough if YOU lose your LIFE as a result of some USELESS and SENSELESS ACCIDENT due to some operational co*ck-up ?
The goal post has not been shifted, the argument remains the same - it is all about the value in the sanctity of a Human Life - a Life that is snuffed out due to some idiocy of some individual or system that was lax in following, or did not follow operating procedures.
Losing one's life and dying in DEFENSE of the Country during WAR is quite DIFFERENT from death due to some silly avoidable accident as a result of someone's negligence, or a failure in diligently exercising intelligent initiative and oversight. -
Ahem, he meant it that it was kinda difficult to put a figure to a life, they're just 2 different quantities with different dimensions, you cant try to put a monetary value on such things!Originally posted by dragg:if you disagree with the figure tell us if your son dies in the army how much is he worth to you?
111k too much?
you will ask mindef to give you $1?
you are an ass hole!!!
Not all things can be replaced/bought with money
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How true !Originally posted by deathscythe99:Ahem, he meant it that it was kinda difficult to put a figure to a life, they're just 2 different quantities with different dimensions, you cant try to put a monetary value on such things!
Not all things can be replaced/bought with money
If $600,000 is "PEANUTS" when paid as wages to the disgraced NKF Durai on an ANNUAL BASIS, and when compared to the MILLION DOLLAR WAGES also paid ANNUALLY to Ministers - can they not at least soften the emotional and psychological impact of the blow to the surviving members of the deceased NSF soldier's family in looking after their livelihood for a term period ?
Surely, an Endowment Fund can be started from a PORTION of the SURPLUS largesse of Temasek and GIC for the benefit of Singaporean Families who send their sons to National Service ? -
I think if my son died in NS during training, no amount of compensation is ever enough. Live only once but if a life is gone, it is gone forever.Originally posted by Salman:The question still remains. so how much is enough for you? -
Originally posted by Atobe:
So how much do you think the govt shld compensate if 111k is not enough?
Why should this question remain ?
It is so simple to be answered, as each value our Life differently.
Ask YOUR PARENTS how much is enough if YOU lose your LIFE as a result of some USELESS and SENSELESS ACCIDENT due to some operational co*ck-up ?
If life is sanctity, why allow abortions?
The goal post has not been shifted, the argument remains the same - it is all about the value in the sanctity of a Human Life - a Life that is snuffed out due to some idiocy of some individual or system that was lax in following, or did not follow operating procedures.
Accidents are accidents, nobody wanted it. The guy who died in the accident during training is no different from the guy who died fighting in war. Both are doing their duty to serve the country.
Losing one's life and dying in DEFENSE of the Country during WAR is quite DIFFERENT from death due to some silly avoidable accident as a result of someone's negligence, or a failure in diligently exercising intelligent initiative and oversight. -
hello mr blind, i've ALWAYS talked about accountability. that is always my 1st and foremost goalOriginally posted by Salman:I think you fellas are switching goal posts once you hypocrisies are confronted.
First you talk about inadequate amount, now you talk abt accountability.
I mean what I said, if my son dies in a training accident while doing NS, so be it. He is serving is country and I will be proud of him and won't want any compensation from SAF. What for?
So how much is enough if you think $111k is not enough? What is there to stop anyone from saying that 500k is not enough?
the fact is, u're just all talk n no show. talk is cheap after all, just like how u view human lives.
so if your son is killed by some instructor who was basically bullying him for fun, u'll be happy huh? ok. thanks for telling us that u have NO CONSCIENCE.
as for how much is enough, u want to know? simple. 1stly pay the family all the funeral fees. Then from then on, pay them at least 1/2 of an average working wage in singapore. and as the years go by, review the payment amount every 3 to 5 years to reflect on the work promotions that might have been likely if the victim was still alive. payments go out until both parents of the victim have passed on. THAT is how much is enough. dun come n tell me about how serving the nation dun need a monetary reward. serving the nation also dun mean bastards in the military can FUCK with people's lives as tho they're worth nothing. want to take a life? MINDEF better pay till u bleed from your arse. afterall murderers get the death sentence. asking MINDEF to pay for life is letting them off easy already -
So there we go. This is what is considered enough:
1stly pay the family all the funeral fees. Then from then on, pay them at least 1/2 of an average working wage in singapore. and as the years go by, review the payment amount every 3 to 5 years to reflect on the work promotions that might have been likely if the victim was still alive. payments go out until both parents of the victim have passed on.
its the least MINDEF can do.
now lets hear what that cheap-talk arsehole can say. -
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And how much is that? maybe some people still complain its not enough, then what to do?
as for how much is enough, u want to know? simple. 1stly pay the family all the funeral fees. Then from then on, pay them at least 1/2 of an average working wage in singapore. and as the years go by, review the payment amount every 3 to 5 years to reflect on the work promotions that might have been likely if the victim was still alive. payments go out until both parents of the victim have passed on. THAT is how much is enough. dun come n tell me about how serving the nation dun need a monetary reward. serving the nation also dun mean bastards in the military can FUCK with people's lives as tho they're worth nothing. want to take a life? MINDEF better pay till u bleed from your arse. afterall murderers get the death sentence. asking MINDEF to pay for life is letting them off easy already[/b]