Help for needy is long term, not polls ploy: PM
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Ever seen how Americans work? Singaporeans better learn from them so that we can work well into out 50s and even 60s.
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While you are right, employers need to be less chossy too.Originally posted by Salman:40 and above employees need to be less choosy. They may indeed have to settle for job sthat are less pay and glamorous.
The govt can train them but if the private sector do not employ them all, there is little that the govt can do more.
Personally, I have had problems with older workers. Some are not willing to learn and some have attitude problems. Its not that I didn't tried hiring them.
Perhaps the longer term change needed is for older workers to be more adaptable and professional. I'm sure that if they are willing, there is a market for their skills. -
Gotta make business work and make profit man. If the senior worker sabo I just cannot accept lah. I treat young workers the same and it seems younger people are not so stubborn. Basically I am fair to all and I respect elders.
I have seen how Americans work. They are professional even when they are close to retiremen. Perhaps its because they have a more mature economy with better work ethics. There's something I noticed about singaporeans and its that once a guy hits 30 plus, he seems to be less interested to learn and more focus on playing politics.
Basically, I think Singaporeans are too pampered.
Are there good senior workers? Yes! I am impressed with some and I think we are slowly and surely getting there as a whole country in the midest of global competition. If only we stop all this whining culture, it will be faster. -
omg gahmen is getting poor
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those poor & needy qulify for CDC social service = less than 3000 unit aka whole Singapore, amount each receiving minimum S$ 260 / month.Originally posted by SilverPal:I noticed that firstly Salman assumes that other forumers want welfare from the govt (even though no one said so) and went on to attack this "welfarism" with righteous indignation.
Perhaps Salman can show us figures substatiating how the poor in sg have benefitted from the packages that the govt gives us? Instead of replying with another question (ie show me how the poor in sg did NOT benefit) or assuming that the rest of the forumers want welfare.
any GOV office take action on Social vist tourist working @ Chinese new year market? even they are foreign student ? are they allow to work?
why can't these job be fill by Singaporean?
why ICA or MOM did not take action? afright the singapore owner will make nosie? not easy to take action right? during 8 pm till 10 pm right?
even these 2 departmant are pushing their job scope!
ICA require proof if the tourist is really working?
MOM require proof if the tourist is really tourist?
who make the first move?
only our own people? -
So you are blaming the Singapore Government a.k.a the Ruling Political Party for something ?Originally posted by Salman:Thats just my experience with older workers. Lots of attitude problems. I blame the govt for spoiling them. Nothing unprofessional on my part.
I prefer locals anytime. Never hired foreigners before.
Should I be surprised
Quite amazing that you reply at a tangent and move on from the main issues.
"Shifting goal posts ? " -
I am always very fair, as always and I criticise anything and anybody whom did what I feel is no good.
The govt has made such a blunder making Singapore such a comfortable place in order to attract investors and votes, it made singaporeans soft and whining. Thats the biggest mistake of PAP.
the result is that we have a bunch of old workesr who are not adaptable, arrogant and young people like you who whine more than anything. That I think is the biggest problem facing Singapore today. -
Can you be more professional in your own attitude towards Singaporeans - and stop whining about the 'whining culture' ?Originally posted by Salman:Gotta make business work and make profit man. If the senior worker sabo I just cannot accept lah. I treat young workers the same and it seems younger people are not so stubborn. Basically I am fair to all and I respect elders.
I have seen how Americans work. They are professional even when they are close to retiremen. Perhaps its because they have a more mature economy with better work ethics. There's something I noticed about singaporeans and its that once a guy hits 30 plus, he seems to be less interested to learn and more focus on playing politics.
Basically, I think Singaporeans are too pampered.
Are there good senior workers? Yes! I am impressed with some and I think we are slowly and surely getting there as a whole country in the midest of global competition. If only we stop all this whining culture, it will be faster.
Have you even have an iota of how the other half of Singapore try to scrape a living out of almost nothing, compared to your own safe environment perched in some ivory tower, and viewing the world with a condescending attitude ?
Not to worry - every Dog has Its Day, the circle runs a full turn, you will get your just dessert, retribution comes in the same manner that you treat others - it is all about KARMA.
Boils down to one thing, your position is safe and secure, and put into position by all the pampering from the hard work of your parents; and you cannot appreciate how the other Singaporeans - who have labored but could not get out of their vicious cycle of constant running to catch up in Life.
Keep running in your circle and soon you will join the "bread line" if things do not get better in Singapore, and we shall see who have the last laugh. -
why do u always say sgprean is very pampered, spoilt? do u hav proof to support ur claim? aint u also a singaporean? if so, r u spoilt and pampered?
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Big DEAL and I am surprisedOriginally posted by Salman:Ever seen how Americans work? Singaporeans better learn from them so that we can work well into out 50s and even 60s.
According to your other postings that we should stay in other countries and appreciate how good Singapore is ?
I am now very surprised about your whining about Singapore ?
This time - and ALL the time - your whining is directed against Singaporeans, never against the Singapore Government - whom you obliquely claimed have pampered Singaporeans but do not quite openly blame the Government.
You seem to have a propensity of belittling Singaporeans - as a Salman, I wonder if you are not Idwar in another form.
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Yes, you are right, I do blame Singaporeans more than the govt.
We do need to grow up and take personal responsibility. Its always easy to blame others, any fool can do that. -
Quite a remarkable improvement from your 'no brainer, one-liners' - at least there is some dim light coming out of the tunnel.Originally posted by Salman:Yes, you are right, I do blame Singaporeans more than the govt.
We do need to grow up and take personal responsibility. Its always easy to blame others, any fool can do that.
Has Singaporean shirk from being responsible to look after themselves ?
The two old women took personal responsibility to look after their own needs by selling wonton noodles at a hawker center, but was forced to buy the stall at an atrocious market price due to a change in HDB policy
The plight of these two old women was resolved not by any change of heart by HDB, but they were forced to take up a loan to service an impossible debt size beyond the ability of their wontan noodle business to sustain.
They were both made bankrupt by the Finance Company that loan them the amount needed to purchase the stall - everyone walked away leaving the hapless women to tend to themselves.
Who is responsible for their situation ?
Singaporeans ? -
that makes you the only sensible and capable person in singapore.Originally posted by Salman:I am always very fair, as always and I criticise anything and anybody whom did what I feel is no good.
The govt has made such a blunder making Singapore such a comfortable place in order to attract investors and votes, it made singaporeans soft and whining. Thats the biggest mistake of PAP.
the result is that we have a bunch of old workesr who are not adaptable, arrogant and young people like you who whine more than anything. That I think is the biggest problem facing Singapore today.
what are you doing here then?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Have you bought any wanton noodles from them? what did you do to help?
The two old women took personal responsibility to look after their own needs by selling wonton noodles at a hawker center, but was forced to buy the stall at an atrocious market price due to a change in HDB policy
The plight of these two old women was resolved not by any change of heart by HDB, but they were forced to take up a loan to service an impossible debt size beyond the ability of their wontan noodle business to sustain.
They were both made bankrupt by the Finance Company that loan them the amount needed to purchase the stall - everyone walked away leaving the hapless women to tend to themselves.
Who is responsible for their situation ?
Singaporeans ?
I don't think its the govt's fault. Govt cannot micro manage businesses and cannot be expected to subsidise businesses.
Exhorbitant? Just because they cannot pay for rent? so why others can? You want to help them cook better wanton noodles? -
When everything goes up and not down, it will be hard to take personal responsibility. We can barely support ourselves, and it is natural human reaction to blame others.Originally posted by Salman:Yes, you are right, I do blame Singaporeans more than the govt.
We do need to grow up and take personal responsibility. Its always easy to blame others, any fool can do that. -
Singapore is ineed a comfortable n good place to live in. Speaking about theOriginally posted by Salman:I am always very fair, as always and I criticise anything and anybody whom did what I feel is no good.
The govt has made such a blunder making Singapore such a comfortable place in order to attract investors and votes, it made singaporeans soft and whining. Thats the biggest mistake of PAP.
the result is that we have a bunch of old workesr who are not adaptable, arrogant and young people like you who whine more than anything. That I think is the biggest problem facing Singapore today.
local complaining, it had always been a habit for the local to complain about everything. -
The real problem is, they have put off taking personal responsibility and blaming everything they don't like on the govt. And they start to conjure up lies abt the govt. This is unhealthy and unproductive.Originally posted by will4:Singapore is ineed a comfortable n good place to live in. Speaking about the
local complaining, it had always been a habit for the local to complain about everything. -
It's curious to note that if help for the needy is INDEED a long term plan, why did PM LHL find it necessary to EMPHASIZE that it is NOT an election ploy?
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Somehow there is this idea that by repeating their words over and over again, Singaporeans will buy into their ideas and rhetorics.Originally posted by BillyBong:It's curious to note that if help for the needy is INDEED a long term plan, why did PM LHL find it necessary to EMPHASIZE that it is NOT an election ploy?
Like the casino issue, they had to keep harping on the fact that it was decided at the very last minute after "careful" consideration from of views from all quarters of society.
Guess they think Singaporeans are a daft, uneducated bunch, living in the 60s. -
How do we ensure that we have sufficient resources to spend?
o Raise additional revenues? Will raising tax rates affect the standard
of living and drive away businesses and talent?
o Spend less? Where can we afford to spend less on? Can we provide
lower standards of public services?
o Target subsidies and assistance? Should we extend means-testing to
more public services?
How do we help Singaporeans find and seize opportunities?
o More education and training?
o Encourage an entrepreneurial and “can-do” attitude?
o Create more paths to success?
How can government and the community help vulnerable Singaporeans?
o Continued emphasis on family and community support?
o Encourage philanthropy?
o Targeted assistance to those who need it most?
PLEASE AIR YOUR VIEW -
Originally posted by Salman:
You maybe surprised that I did - and so did many Singaporeans - but is this the issue ? Why are you fudging on this subject ?
Have you bought any wanton noodles from them? what did you do to help?
I don't think its the govt's fault. Govt cannot micro manage businesses and cannot be expected to subsidise businesses.
Exhorbitant? Just because they cannot pay for rent? so why others can? You want to help them cook better wanton noodles?
You will be surprised that the Singapore Government is MICRO-MANAGING every aspect of LIFE in SINGAPORE - take COE for example, they are tweaking the COE prices to stimulate the buyer's to pay when demand is down, or dampen the market with higher COE, when demand goes out of control.
Why did they tweak the COE system to prevent successful $50 bids ?
It is not only micro-management of LIFE in Singapore, but also the WRONG MACRO POLICIES implemented by the Government a.k.a the Ruling Political Party that has KILLED the COMPETITIVENESS, ENTERPRENEURIALSHIP and TALENT in Singapore.
The reverse side to this statement made by a 'goblok' - "Just because they cannot pay for rent? so why others can? " - can also be told to the Government :
"If others can manage a country that is 100x bigger than Singapore, by paying its Government Leaders each a salary of $150,000 ANNUALLY and remain incorruptible, why should we accept that this Singapore Government be paid a MILLION DOLLAR SALARY TO MINISTERS to keep them out of corruption ? "
Running in circles can only create smoked Salman, and "no brainer, one-liners' certainly help to dim the light further -
Atobe, you are treading on a dangerous ground with your "FEELING" on the COE "bidding" process.Originally posted by Atobe:You will be surprised that the Singapore Government is MICRO-MANAGING every aspect of LIFE in SINGAPORE - take COE for example, they are tweaking the COE prices to stimulate the buyer's to pay when demand is down, or dampen the market with higher COE, when demand goes out of control.
Why did they tweak the COE system to prevent successful $50 bids ?
Funny it may sound, I concur and agreed with your "FEELING".
That is my "FEELING" too, to set the record straight.
After the coming election, wanna bet with me that the COE bidding price will be heading north instead of south? (Bet is only good until the next election comes along, then i will bet it will travel southward.) -
Atobe really sounds stupid to me. More and more stupid. He has fallen from a whiner to a whining nut.
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Wah ,u so smart ,can analyse it well.I same age as u oso nt so knowledegeableOriginally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:While I agree with you on upgrading, the courses are not cheap. You expect the retrenched to use more than half their savings to upgrade themselves? Look at the trend now. Most of the retrenched are 40 years old and above. Even if they passed the course with flying colours, employers will find reasons not to hire them, like saying they are too old. With more than half their savings gone, how do expect them to survive?
Don't tell me got subsidies. They only provide subsidies if you are working with a company that supports the program. Otherwise, nothing.
Wasted lah, nvr go jc take Gp ...Think u can do well -
When you run blindly and aimlessly in circles - can we blame you for thinking stupid about anyone, as if your stupidity is not prominent enough ?Originally posted by Salman:Atobe really sounds stupid to me. More and more stupid. He has fallen from a whiner to a whining nut.
Hoopla, if your expression of exasperation is an indication that the combined effort of "everyone here against you" = have made an impact on you
If you try to stop running circles around everyone, and adopt a more positive attitude - perhaps we can help you advance your slow progress with your - "No Brainer, One-Liners" that now have stretched to "No Brainers. 3-Liners".